Top Rank is holding Pacquiao hostage.

It wasn't so much that testing was the issue, it became the issue. The Mayweather's sprung it on the other side just before the last details of the agreement were being worked out. My opinion always has been that the Mayweathers well knew that this would be a problem for Pacquiao as it was well known in the industry that he had a superstitious hatred for invasive procedures and-logically or illogically-blamed his loss to Morales on that late blood sample taken. he still does to this very day. If they had accepted the OSDT without bargaining for better advantage when they were the A side, it would have been a miracle, and if that were so, the Mayweathers would have found another impossible demand. As for MannyP's superstitions and ritual practices of doing a lo g list of the same things over and over, I believe that Thomas Hauser or some other top writer did an article which I saw about a while ago, maybe in Maxboxing, or on the net. As for where the fault lies, there is indisputable proof that the Nevada SAC called a meeting of ALL parties to settle the differences. That retired Judge (Weinberg?) who specialises in successful private resolutions was there as were Arum, Schaefer, Keith Kizer, and Russ Greenburg of HBO -who had been the go-between- for getting the deal back on track, something which the Mayweathers denied ever happened-until greenburg said it did.... The only one missing was a Mayweather. Kizer issued a statement afterwards saying that "we know now that the blame for this fight not happening lies squarely on the shoulders of Floyd Mayweather..." It then became obvious to even the most rabid Phoney Phloyd backside-lickers -for a short while anyway- that it was all Mayweather's fault, that he just did not want the fight. He is not a coward, but he and his whole team felt that it was too risky for him to chance losing his "0" which they felt was his main attraction.. So that's what happened. That's total BS ! , the testing was in the very first draft Schaefer sent them , and Roach said no problems with the testing , after Floyd agreed to 50/50 and everything from locker room to gloves , then the testing became an issue with Manny wanting cut off dates . Manny said he must have a cut of date because taking blood makes him weak , but apparently not with Rios ! Now if your name is not Floyd a cut of date is not needed , why is that ? Any Manny fanboys gunna answer this LOL . No takers once again , its very hard to respect any of you Manny fans , .

Golden Boy has all the fighters worth mentioning, Top Rank is pretty much done. Manny is content knowing he'll most likely be fighting bums that pose no threat, after getting KTFO by JMM. No way in hell Arum puts Manny in another dangerous fight where he stands to get laid out again.

Forgot to add that as far as Golden Balls wanting to "buy" Donaire for a fight against Mares, it was only a gimmick. Donaire being contracted to Top Rank would have had to pay the normal contracted fee anyway. But that wasn't the sneaky catch that Golden Balls had in their "offer" to TR. It was a little clause in that small print, allowing them to cancel out the fight at a few days notice without compensation to Donaire. So it was just an obvious PR gimmick in their perpetual fight to try to make Top Rank look bad. I disagree with the OSDT being a last minute add on to the negotiations. That said, I'll look up the rest of what you said about Kizer. Next, I read the contract that Golden Boy, the childish nicknames for a multi-million dollar business ignored, sent to Top Rank for Donaire's "services" and I've read the industry reaction to it. I don't believe there was this sneaky catch that you're referring to if it wasn't normal industry practice. A fight of that caliber being signed and announced...they would lose money cancelling it "on a few days notice". I do recall wording that the check would be sent to Top Rank for them to remove their promotional fees before passing the remaining amount on to Donaire which, logically, is an example of paying a company to use one of their employees. Top Rank looks bad in its own right. Before it was explicitly said that they weren't working across the board, Pacquiao was signing to fight Clottey (TP) who was coming off a loss to Cotto (TP). They don't have the stable of fighters to support their star fighter so they brought in Bradley to serve as fresh blood. GBP is suspect, too, but their building of young fighters is something that should definitely be seen as an achievement. I don't like how, it appears, they did Anselmo but I also hate what Top Rank has done to Rigondeaux. I digress but my point is that it is both of their faults for not giving me what I wanted and I will never forgive either of them. And people talk about this "afraid to lose his '0'" crap...a motherf'r with tattoos trying to play off a fear of needles is full of more crap than any perceived fear of losing. Just a bunch of crap all around.

and gbp fighters are not fighting among themselves too? That has more to do with the fact that arum has refused to do business with gbp and the divorce from hbo.

and gbp fighters are not fighting among themselves too? Well, Arum won't negotiate his fighters to fight anybody. And if you want to fight a TR fighter you have to sign with them. You don't have to sign with GBP to fight one of their fighters.

Forgot to add that as far as Golden Balls wanting to "buy" Donaire for a fight against Mares, it was only a gimmick. Donaire being contracted to Top Rank would have had to pay the normal contracted fee anyway. But that wasn't the sneaky catch that Golden Balls had in their "offer" to TR. It was a little clause in that small print, allowing them to cancel out the fight at a few days notice without compensation to Donaire. So it was just an obvious PR gimmick in their perpetual fight to try to make Top Rank look bad.

Good point but I doubt that Pacquiao will ever leave TR. Hopefully, TR and GBP will work together and make credible matches between their respective fighters. The only thing we can do right now is to hope for the best. Don't you get sick of DUCKING the point when it PROVES Manny ducked the fight ,,,, I could not be so cowardly like you kids are , it would embarrass me but you Pac fanboys Duck just the same as your hero does BLATANTLY .

Manny is too loyal of a guy to leave Top Rank, or even Freddie Roach who is slowing down as well. Someone said earlier that he should have left after the Margarito, which is true is that was his last fight of greatness. H could have sat out n waited for the Mayeather fight, but needed money and let his team listen to bob arum who gave recycled opponents like mosley, marquez, marquez again even the clottey fight.

The first time around, testing was the issue. If you actually know what you're talking about, I shouldn't have to explain that. Pacquiao, and his advisors, felt he shouldn't have to give in to that demand. Eventually, after both fight other opponents, Pacquiao puts out that he would undergo testing. Mayweather countered with another demand involving the money split...fight didn't happen. Just that fast we have examples of Pacquiao and Mayweather being at fault. Arum doesn't want to work with Golden Boy and Golden Boy has decided to take the same approach. An example of this was seen when Golden Boy tried to buy Donaire's "services" to fight Mares. ALL of this can be found with a couple seconds of keystrokes. It would be boring to call you stupid in response. Understand that Pacquiao and Mayweather are bigger than Top Rank/ GBP in that if they both wanted the fight, the amount of money that could be potentially generated would have made everyone, at least, content. They BOTH blew that chance BUT one went on to make the highest guaranteed purse in the history of boxing before breaking that record by dang near 10 million a fight later...while the other can't make that money in any potential fight on the horizon. So, like I said before, how can you blame one participant in a pissing contest for trying to get the better of his opponent. They both are at fault. Stop trying to defend one side. It wasn't so much that testing was the issue, it became the issue. The Mayweather's sprung it on the other side just before the last details of the agreement were being worked out. My opinion always has been that the Mayweathers well knew that this would be a problem for Pacquiao as it was well known in the industry that he had a superstitious hatred for invasive procedures and-logically or illogically-blamed his loss to Morales on that late blood sample taken. he still does to this very day. If they had accepted the OSDT without bargaining for better advantage when they were the A side, it would have been a miracle, and if that were so, the Mayweathers would have found another impossible demand. As for MannyP's superstitions and ritual practices of doing a lo g list of the same things over and over, I believe that Thomas Hauser or some other top writer did an article which I saw about a while ago, maybe in Maxboxing, or on the net. As for where the fault lies, there is indisputable proof that the Nevada SAC called a meeting of ALL parties to settle the differences. That retired Judge (Weinberg?) who specialises in successful private resolutions was there as were Arum, Schaefer, Keith Kizer, and Russ Greenburg of HBO -who had been the go-between- for getting the deal back on track, something which the Mayweathers denied ever happened-until greenburg said it did.... The only one missing was a Mayweather. Kizer issued a statement afterwards saying that "we know now that the blame for this fight not happening lies squarely on the shoulders of Floyd Mayweather..." It then became obvious to even the most rabid Phoney Phloyd backside-lickers -for a short while anyway- that it was all Mayweather's fault, that he just did not want the fight. He is not a coward, but he and his whole team felt that it was too risky for him to chance losing his "0" which they felt was his main attraction.. So that's what happened.

I've personally lost interest in that fight, but regardless of whether it happened or not Pacquiao can face credible opponents, not the same ol' recycled ones. Good point but I doubt that Pacquiao will ever leave TR. Hopefully, TR and GBP will work together and make credible matches between their respective fighters. The only thing we can do right now is to hope for the best.

Calm down troll, I'm not use to replying to members like you. I've been there and back, so please next time when you reply to one of my posts at least put a little substance to it so we can have a nice and educated debate. For now, I'll let it go and just pretend you don't exist. So you going to duck the question again , typical !

You must be a dumb fck , you think it should be taken when it suits Manny and when it don't suit Manny they throw out roadblocks . Just like the best roadblock of all time , Manny said " I need a 14 day cut of because taking blood makes me weak " thats if your name is Floyd , if your name is Rios it don't make me weak and we don't need a cut off . That's worse than a roadblock you stupid dumb kid , that's a flat out lie and a DUCK . Just like you and all your whiny little Manny fanboys duck that same question , Mannys fans a bigger duckers than what he is . Calm down troll, I'm not use to replying to members like you. I've been there and back, so please next time when you reply to one of my posts at least put a little substance to it so we can have a nice and educated debate. For now, I'll let it go and just pretend you don't exist.

Floydweather is the biggest roider in the sport. And he needs testing. What a coward. :unitedsta And you , peck peck , pacboy and kuyukut are the most immature children on this site , the epitome of a fanboy .

Floydweather is the biggest roider in the sport. And he needs testing. What a coward. :unitedsta

Re-post: The problem is we're not sure if Floyd will fight Pacquiao if he (Pac) decided to leave TR. Floyd had been contradicting himself since day one. Why would I believe Floyd now? Are you guys dead sure that the fight will happen without Floyd putting another roadblock(s)? You must be a dumb fck , you think it should be taken when it suits Manny and when it don't suit Manny they throw out roadblocks . Just like the best roadblock of all time , Manny said " I need a 14 day cut of because taking blood makes me weak " thats if your name is Floyd , if your name is Rios it don't make me weak and we don't need a cut off . That's worse than a roadblock you stupid dumb kid , that's a flat out lie and a DUCK . Just like you and all your whiny little Manny fanboys duck that same question , Mannys fans a bigger duckers than what he is .

So the fight didn't happen because of the testing issues? So the issue now is about Arum. Are you stupid or what? :unitedsta The first time around, testing was the issue. If you actually know what you're talking about, I shouldn't have to explain that. Pacquiao, and his advisors, felt he shouldn't have to give in to that demand. Eventually, after both fight other opponents, Pacquiao puts out that he would undergo testing. Mayweather countered with another demand involving the money split...fight didn't happen. Just that fast we have examples of Pacquiao and Mayweather being at fault. Arum doesn't want to work with Golden Boy and Golden Boy has decided to take the same approach. An example of this was seen when Golden Boy tried to buy Donaire's "services" to fight Mares. ALL of this can be found with a couple seconds of keystrokes. It would be boring to call you stupid in response. Understand that Pacquiao and Mayweather are bigger than Top Rank/ GBP in that if they both wanted the fight, the amount of money that could be potentially generated would have made everyone, at least, content. They BOTH blew that chance BUT one went on to make the highest guaranteed purse in the history of boxing before breaking that record by dang near 10 million a fight later...while the other can't make that money in any potential fight on the horizon. So, like I said before, how can you blame one participant in a pissing contest for trying to get the better of his opponent. They both are at fault. Stop trying to defend one side.

But still the Floyd/Pac fight is the biggest fight out there that needs to happen. I would rather see Floyd and Pacquiao inside the ring rather than anybody else. Don't you...? I've personally lost interest in that fight, but regardless of whether it happened or not Pacquiao can face credible opponents, not the same ol' recycled ones.

Floyd is the biggest Coward in the history of Boxing. puso mo pare, dahan dahan lang dyan http://25.media.tumblr.com/72f1025bdbc219e38ea4a491639a216b/tumblr_mti8wu30lZ1s2hlqjo1_500.gif

Why should he? For What? Do you not think it would be better if he could fight top rank, golden boy etc fighters and also fight on both HBO and Showtime, getting the best of everything whilst not being beholden to just Top Rank/ Bob and his exclusive set up?

Manny Pacquiao Promotions. Has he set something up for himself yet? he has ..but so does floyd so why does he still need golden boy?..something to think about...