So if Matthyse & Garcia go to the score cards...

It's the complete opposite.I agree. Floyd vs ANYBODY outsells any other matchup in Boxing, bar none unless it is Floyd vs a tune-up going against Pac vs JMM and even then, Floyd may outdo that.

This fight won't go past 6 rds. Mathysse by KO or TKO

its real recognize real. no one say recognizes. As most on NSB know, I'm a grown man who has been watching boxing a looong time. I know, I did that for a reason. You said I was trying to be some fake gangster when I said real recognizes real. If I would've said real recognize real, then you would've had a point. You're a grown man, and still live in your mom's basement? Again, you're a character to me.

which 7 rounds did zab win? i want to go inside the mind of a madman.

You just said according to the rules that it just says "clean punches". So that means effectiveness doesnt matter so you def had castillo winning, correct? no I didn't post that. And you know I had floyd winning. Either way, it has no bearing on zab matts. Look russian I got nothing against you. we disagree on this. I thought zab won then I think he won now, and if I watch the fight with you, lucas, and every argentinian in the world all of you with guns to my head, I will still think zab won.

Matthysse/Judah: Went to Judah Matthysse/Alexander: Went to Alexander Kotelnik/Alexander: Went to Alexander Lara/Williams: Went to Williams. Abril/Rios: Went to Rios Pac/Marquez 3: Went to Pac Campillo/Cloud: Went to Cloud Love/Rosado: Went to Love Burns/Beltran: Went to Burns Froch/Dirrell: Went to Froch Seriously, look at them all and write them down. These are just what came ot mind immediately, I know I'm forgetting a lot more. Notice who gets these decisions over and over and over. It can be detailed, very easily. What do you want, a confession? That's never going to happen. Thats a pretty good list (tho i dont consider Pac v JMM 3 or Froch/Dirrell on the level of some of those other fights). The original issue was poor judging vs a fix. I dont believe fixes are as widespread as others. I believe a lot of judges are crap and inconsistent.

LMAO. Someone that obviously has never stepped foot outside his mom's basement. Real recognizes real isn't some "gangsta" term. Real recognizes real, and you're nothing more than a character to me. You're not a real dude. LMAO. I grew up in ghetto ass Maywood and Berwyn. Chi-town baby. You're probably some sheltered boxing fan that still lives in his mom's basement. Like I said before. Real recognizes real. You're a character to me. its real recognize real. no one say recognizes. As most on NSB know, I'm a grown man who has been watching boxing a looong time.

The scoring of floyd castillo 1 had no bearing on the zab matts scoring. you repeatedly post about "better" punches, that is you opinion. You just said according to the rules that it just says "clean punches". So that means effectiveness doesnt matter so you def had castillo winning, correct?

What clean jabs? He rarely landed clean jab, they were almost always short. Have u actually watched the fight? This isnt the amateurs. Even if it was Lucas would easily have outscored him because judah did not land punches cleanly. U dont actually think pitty pat jabs are better then clean power punches, you're just doing this to defend hating lucas I think saying he "rarely landed a clean jab" is unfair, I mean, he clearly landed quite a lot of clean jabs throughout the fight. He missed a whole leap, absolutely, but to say he didn't land many is unfair. It's not like Matthysse was landing a whole load of clean shots either, especially in the first 6 rounds. It's true what you're saying that Judah missed a lot of punches and had a lot of his punches blocked but Matthysse did aswell, Matthysse had a lot of his punches blocked and missing. Matthysse missed a lot of shots throughout the entire fight other than the 9th, 10th and 11th when he finally managed to really lay some hard, solid, consistent leather on Judah.

To be fair, considering what he'd probably pay so would most people. 50 grand to fly to Vegas and drive him to the movies? Hell yeah. He may even give me another 10 grand if I pretend I like him. On second thought. I would too. HA.

To be fair, considering what he'd probably pay so would most people. 50 grand to fly to Vegas and drive him to the movies? Hell yeah. He may even give me another 10 grand if I pretend I like him. hahaha that was funny. :poke:

real recognizes real. hahahah you are hilarious. Man just keep on watching the wire and menace to society from the comfort of your suburburban living room. Buy some gansta rap, watch Good Times, let your sister twerk and put it on youtube, and keep believing that Obamacare can be defunded. LMAO. Someone that obviously has never stepped foot outside his mom's basement. Real recognizes real isn't some "gangsta" term. Real recognizes real, and you're nothing more than a character to me. You're not a real dude. LMAO. I grew up in ghetto ass Maywood and Berwyn. Chi-town baby. You're probably some sheltered boxing fan that still lives in his mom's basement. Like I said before. Real recognizes real. You're a character to me.

I used the term 1/10th in a general, slogan term. It's a well known saying. Blanket assumptions? Please. You'd drive Floyd and his date to the movies if he asked you. You'd fly cross country to do it too. roughly 25%, according to you, thought zab beat devon. I am comfortable being in that group. I have watched the fight and have not changed my opinion. if you think matts won, I am fine with that. This is not a discussion about floyd.

I used the term 1/10th in a general, slogan term. It's a well known saying. Blanket assumptions? Please. You'd drive Floyd and his date to the movies if he asked you. You'd fly cross country to do it too. To be fair, considering what he'd probably pay so would most people. 50 grand to fly to Vegas and drive him to the movies? Hell yeah. He may even give me another 10 grand if I pretend I like him.

according to the poll you cited it was 1/4, now you are saying 1/10. make up your mind. If you think there is an underlying reason why I thought zab won other than the actual fight I don't care. That is a blanket assumption you've made based on the opinions exspressed in the other thread. So long as my opinion differs from yours I don't care how I arrive at it. I used the term 1/10th in a general, slogan term. It's a well known saying. Blanket assumptions? Please. You'd drive Floyd and his date to the movies if he asked you. You'd fly cross country to do it too.

You come off as a non knowledgeable fan that will say anything as long as it fits your agenda. You're the 1/10 person that actually thinks Judah won the fight, and I know why. P.S. Real recognizes real. You're nothing more than one of those guys that reach for anything as long as it suits your interests. You're nothing more than a character of the type of fan that no one likes. You're like a calm version of Frank Ducketts. Both characters without being real. real recognizes real. hahahah you are hilarious. Man just keep on watching the wire and menace to society from the comfort of your suburburban living room. Buy some gansta rap, watch Good Times, let your sister twerk and put it on youtube, and keep believing that Obamacare can be defunded.

You come off as a non knowledgeable fan that will say anything as long as it fits your agenda. You're the 1/10 person that actually thinks Judah won the fight, and I know why. P.S. Real recognizes real. You're nothing more than one of those guys that reach for anything as long as it suits your interests. You're nothing more than a character of the type of fan that no one likes. You're like a calm version of Frank Ducketts. Both characters without being real. according to the poll you cited it was 1/4, now you are saying 1/10. make up your mind. If you think there is an underlying reason why I thought zab won other than the actual fight I don't care. That is a blanket assumption you've made based on the opinions exspressed in the other thread. So long as my opinion differs from yours I don't care how I arrive at it.

your come off as nothing more than an internet bigot who happens to watch boxing when its on major cable networks. If you thought Lucas won then I am glad my opinion differs from yours. I hope never to share the same opinion as you. You come off as a non knowledgeable fan that will say anything as long as it fits your agenda. You're the 1/10 person that actually thinks Judah won the fight, and I know why. P.S. Real recognizes real. You're nothing more than one of those guys that reach for anything as long as it suits your interests. You're nothing more than a character of the type of fan that no one likes. You're like a calm version of Frank Ducketts. Both characters without being real.

Truth hurt? You know I'm right about you, and your agenda driven posts. Give it up. No one actually thinks Zab beat Lucas. The people that do always have an agenda, and use it in their arguments to validate themselves, and their dumb opinions. your come off as nothing more than an internet bigot who happens to watch boxing when its on major cable networks. If you thought Lucas won then I am glad my opinion differs from yours. I hope never to share the same opinion as you.

Like I said, you'd have a hard time detailing this definitively. You surely didnt with the above. Sometimes a close/controversial decision awarded to the "better business decision" is, in fact, warranted. And what about the times the better business fighter loses? were those also an act just to throw us all off? not saying there isnt some funny business from time to time, but its not on the scale you are fronting Matthysse/Judah: Went to Judah Matthysse/Alexander: Went to Alexander Kotelnik/Alexander: Went to Alexander Lara/Williams: Went to Williams. Abril/Rios: Went to Rios Pac/Marquez 3: Went to Pac Campillo/Cloud: Went to Cloud Love/Rosado: Went to Love Burns/Beltran: Went to Burns Froch/Dirrell: Went to Froch Seriously, look at them all and write them down. These are just what came ot mind immediately, I know I'm forgetting a lot more. Notice who gets these decisions over and over and over. It can be detailed, very easily. What do you want, a confession? That's never going to happen.