I've been looking through current footage and older footage of floyd and i have noticed how much his style and way of fighting has changed.
Earlier in his career he was much faster some would say, slicker;however, as he has aged he has gained more knowledge and experience. Maybe the reason for him looking slower now is because of his experience and that fact that he can now keep his calm much better than he could?
My question is do you think that his past style was stronger and more effective than what his style is now or do you believe that now the more experienced mayweather is a better fighter.
Thanks.
Mental peak = RIGHT NOW anin his fights vs SSM, Cotto, Guerrero
Physical peak = 135 vs Castillo up to the Gatti fight, in terms of speed of hand and foot and reflexes.
Younger floyd was quicker and threw more combos, older floyd is slicker and more knowledgable. So taking it all into account I don't think he has fallen off all that much if at all, indeed as an example, today's (discounting weight for a moment) floyd would have no trouble versus the castillo that gave him trouble. But also today's floyd (again putting weight aside) would probably not do such a demolition job on Gatti/corrales ... still win easily obviously but perhaps not so how would you say ... untouchable)
So i guess it's like today's floyd would be better at finding a way to win in a hard fight, the younger floyd could likely do awesome looking jobs on easier opponents but if he met say somebody like Roberto Duran would get murdered.
As far as Floyd being slower, I dont know how many people notice this, but he is always slow against Southpaws, and your basing this off his last fight. Against Ghost, Judah, and Ortiz, he's very slow. His right hand is almost like a cannon that he shoots out. All the fights against ortho fighters, he is exceptionally fast. Like even against Cotto, he was overtrained and sloppy, but he was still fasterhanded than he was against Ghost. As far as him getting better, Floyd is actually much more complete now than when he was younger. When he was younger he was a scrappy fighter with great defense. As he went to ww, he began to outbox and dominate guys the WHOLE fight, without getting grazed. I actually think his fight against JMM was the first time we seen the version of Floyd that calmly counterpunches, and goes the whole fight without getting hit. Also if you check his plus minus ratings, at ww he actually got more accurate, and more defensively sound. His plus minus rating slowly improved as he went up in weight. Check the numbers!
Great response mate and exactly what i was looking for, great observation with the southpaws, i looked back through the footage and this is completely true, thanks for your insight mate a really good responce
I've been looking through current footage and older footage of floyd and i have noticed how much his style and way of fighting has changed.
Earlier in his career he was much faster some would say, slicker;however, as he has aged he has gained more knowledge and experience. Maybe the reason for him looking slower now is because of his experience and that fact that he can now keep his calm much better than he could?
My question is do you think that his past style was stronger and more effective than what his style is now or do you believe that now the more experienced mayweather is a better fighter.
Thanks.
As far as Floyd being slower, I dont know how many people notice this, but he is always slow against Southpaws, and your basing this off his last fight. Against Ghost, Judah, and Ortiz, he's very slow. His right hand is almost like a cannon that he shoots out. All the fights against ortho fighters, he is exceptionally fast. Like even against Cotto, he was overtrained and sloppy, but he was still fasterhanded than he was against Ghost. As far as him getting better, Floyd is actually much more complete now than when he was younger. When he was younger he was a scrappy fighter with great defense. As he went to ww, he began to outbox and dominate guys the WHOLE fight, without getting grazed. I actually think his fight against JMM was the first time we seen the version of Floyd that calmly counterpunches, and goes the whole fight without getting hit. Also if you check his plus minus ratings, at ww he actually got more accurate, and more defensively sound. His plus minus rating slowly improved as he went up in weight. Check the numbers!
When they were supposed to fight, Margs still had the psychological edge over Floyd. Like how a big brother has over a little brother. It took a bomber with movement to TKO Margs.
Floyd ain'tsstaying in the kitchen with Margs to stop a prime Margarito. You also forget that Margarito took a beating in the same fight where he beat up Cotto.
I never said Floyd would have stopped Margarito, I'm just wondering why he was supposed to be a great opponent for Floyd but the guy who destroyed him wasn't anything special.
Yeah, Margarito would have been a great opponent for Floyd but Mosley, who demolished Margarito, was a guy with "warts". SMH
When they were supposed to fight, Margs still had the psychological edge over Floyd. Like how a big brother has over a little brother. It took a bomber with movement to TKO Margs.
Floyd ain'tsstaying in the kitchen with Margs to stop a prime Margarito. You also forget that Margarito took a beating in the same fight where he beat up Cotto.
Marg is a f'n wart...there's nothing special about him whatsoever besides his chin. Each guy you mentioned had/has huge flaws.
Yeah, the list I mentioned vs Floyd's current resume. Gtfoh.
We're talking the peak versions of the fighters I mentioned. I'm sure a super blown up JMM
, and ****ty WW Hatton are comparable to 09' PAC, prime P-Will, prime Margs, prime Cotton.
OK.
Marg is a f'n wart...there's nothing special about him whatsoever besides his chin. Each guy you mentioned had/has huge flaws.
Yeah, Margarito would have been a great opponent for Floyd but Mosley, who demolished Margarito, was a guy with "warts". SMH
I forgot that he fought Chico at 130, that's why I deleted that post. I think Floyd actually put on his best display at 130, but Chico was a come forward brawler. I can't really pin point his best weight because he hasn't really faced a guy without warts.
Its hard to say. He's never faced a guy where I was like, "wow! This is a great matchup!"
09' PAC. WW Punisher. WW Margarito. 147 Cotton would've been great matchups. His marquee fights are all guys with warts on them. Nothing eye popping.
Marg is a f'n wart...there's nothing special about him whatsoever besides his chin. Each guy you mentioned had/has huge flaws.
why do you think he fought best at this weight and what do you think was his best fight at this weight?
I forgot that he fought Chico at 130, that's why I deleted that post. I think Floyd actually put on his best display at 130, but Chico was a come forward brawler. I can't really pin point his best weight because he hasn't really faced a guy without warts.
Its hard to say. He's never faced a guy where I was like, "wow! This is a great matchup!"
09' PAC. WW Punisher. WW Margarito. 147 Cotton would've been great matchups. His marquee fights are all guys with warts on them. Nothing eye popping.
the division where he fought the worst comp is when he looked the best. no correlation though...
He fought decent comp there, and actually a lot of fighters look bad against low level opposition and step their game up against elite fighters, so your comment shows your ignorance. There's a reason why the people who managed Cotto and Hatton wanted no part of Floyd at that weight.
It all depends coz if u ask me i`d say as much as he was so quick and athletic back then i still say, with all things considered,skills,intelligence, experience, ring generalship and all, today`s Floyd beats yesteryear floyds
Younger Floyd was quicker and threw more combos...he was more dangerous then...now with all the experience he has, his style is more cerebral. He's still athletic but just like Jordan, he had to adjust with time & age...less dunks, more fadeaways.
I just re watched him VS Chop Chop, Gatti & Ndou today...really enjoyed the combos & seeing him take shots & still walk guys down. No one ever talks about how he responses when he gets hit clean and or hurt.