Holy sh*t, did I just hear Leonard Ellerbe mention boxing scene on all access?!

I just watched this episode for $h1ts and giggle. I wonder if he has a green bar or a red bar.

You don't say sh1t like this in the media if you gonna be asking for a CW: "I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated." Offers are made and expire. You'd have to be retarded not to take into account that the guy may have grown out of the offer, being 21 when he made it. Listen to what he said 3 months ago, he wanted 154. The fact remains Canelo and company ran there mouths about what they were willing to do to make a fight with FMJ. 152lbs is the contracted weight limit.

But it was taken seriously. I know Goldenboy and Top Rank was pissed when those statements were made. YOU DO NOT LAY OUT YOUR TERMS IN THE MEDIA. You keep your mouth shut and negotiate behind closed doors. Lastly, you think a article from 2011 should not be used in negotiations. Why not? Who the F*** are you? Nobody, right!! Any businessman/company with have a brain would have used those statements in their negotiation for this fight. Canelo brought it up, TMT used it in their negotiations, Goldenboy and Canelo accepted 152lbs. Get over it! Stop blaming FMJ/TMT for other peoples stupidity. You don't say sh1t like this in the media if you gonna be asking for a CW: "I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated." Offers are made and expire. You'd have to be retarded not to take into account that the guy may have grown out of the offer, being 21 when he made it. Listen to what he said 3 months ago, he wanted 154.

Leo looked like a bad liar and seems to believe that text on Scene is legally binding. And Floyd thinks All Access is live. lmfao i was smh so damn hard at that (we comin to you live!!)...Floyd is such a dolt :lol1:

Taking less may mean 51 / 49. Or even 50.99 / 49.01. Not the ridiculous zero PPV, $40 M, which may be equivalent to 80/20. The point is simple. Do not negotiate in the media.

What are you talking about? Nobody is gonna take an article from 2011 seriously except desperate flojobs. Same with Pac, taking less doesn't mean something ridiculous like a flat fee. He probably meant 52-48, to give Floyd the bragging rights But it was taken seriously. I know Goldenboy and Top Rank was pissed when those statements were made. YOU DO NOT LAY OUT YOUR TERMS IN THE MEDIA. You keep your mouth shut and negotiate behind closed doors. Lastly, you think a article from 2011 should not be used in negotiations. Why not? Who the F*** are you? Nobody, right!! Any businessman/company with have a brain would have used those statements in their negotiation for this fight. Canelo brought it up, TMT used it in their negotiations, Goldenboy and Canelo accepted 152lbs. Get over it! Stop blaming FMJ/TMT for other peoples stupidity.

The moral of the story is do not negotiate in the media. Pac did the same thing stating he will take less to fight Floyd. So long 50/50 Pac Taking less may mean 51 / 49. Or even 50.99 / 49.01. Not the ridiculous zero PPV, $40 M, which may be equivalent to 80/20.

The moral of the story is do not negotiate in the media. Pac did the same thing stating he will take less to fight Floyd. So long 50/50 Pac and so long 154lbs Canelo. Ellerbe was right. Maybe FMJ's team wanted a catch-weight or some kind of hydration clause. Doesn't matter anymore. Once the article hit the media, you knew they would use that information to their advantage. And they did. What are you talking about? Nobody is gonna take an article from 2011 seriously except desperate flojobs. Same with Pac, taking less doesn't mean something ridiculous like a flat fee. He probably meant 52-48, to give Floyd the bragging rights

The moral of the story is do not negotiate in the media. Pac did the same thing stating he will take less to fight Floyd. So long 50/50 Pac and so long 154lbs Canelo. Ellerbe was right. Maybe FMJ's team wanted a catch-weight or some kind of hydration clause. Doesn't matter anymore. Once the article hit the media, you knew they would use that information to their advantage. And they did.

Canelo said he would fight Floyd at 150 in that article. Team Floyd were actually very generous to him. Canelo would weight at least 175 on fight night anyway. He would have 30lb advantage over Floyd. Damn. No excuses. Well that's worse, he'll already have a hard time making 154, and you wanna make it even harder for him? Like Ellerbe said, even 1lb can be the difference between drained or not.

Canelo said he would fight Floyd at 150 in that article. Team Floyd were actually very generous to him. Canelo would weight at least 175 on fight night anyway. He would have 30lb advantage over Floyd. Damn. No excuses.

He is talking about the Website which is a great boxing Website...NOT THE FORUM! lol

Wait, wait a second! If the catchweight was asked for by Team Canelo why is there a huge penalty for each pound over 152? Because they signed a contract. Come on man. Enough with these stupid questions. If the fight is at 152, it's at 152. Not 154, 153 or even 152.5. Get it?

Ellerbe's job is to look out for Floyd's interest. When you negotiate, you look to get your fighter every advantage possible (See De La Hoya vs. Mayweather). Ellerbe did his research and used Canelo's manager's own words against him. They weren't smart enough to call BS and realize that Floyd had NO OTHER OPTIONS for a 9/14 fight. Basically Canelo's team got bullied at the negotiating table because of bad moves. That's what Ellerbe is saying. It's not about who offered it. Ellerbe is admitting that they brought it to the table by digging up that article. The point he is making is that Canelo's manager is inept and made a stupid move by going to the media to negotiate a fight. But I mean, if Team Floyd is determined to impose a CW, it's happening regardless of some offer from 2011. Digging that up just seems like desperation to save some rep, and doesn't make it look any better, on the contrary.

F*ck Ellerbee!!....Nelo should've been calling out dudes who rock at 154-160 on the regular and not some WW who pass through every 4 or 5 years....smh....don't really care if the kid is drained or not.....he asked for it!!!

I don't know what you mean. A CW request is bad enough, but this digging up an article from 2011 to justify it is just ridiculous. Ellerbe's job is to look out for Floyd's interest. When you negotiate, you look to get your fighter every advantage possible (See De La Hoya vs. Mayweather). Ellerbe did his research and used Canelo's manager's own words against him. They weren't smart enough to call BS and realize that Floyd had NO OTHER OPTIONS for a 9/14 fight. Basically Canelo's team got bullied at the negotiating table because of bad moves. That's what Ellerbe is saying. It's not about who offered it. Ellerbe is admitting that they brought it to the table by digging up that article. The point he is making is that Canelo's manager is inept and made a stupid move by going to the media to negotiate a fight.

Canelo's team blew it,,,, If i was handling canelo, i would say F* off to floyd and the CW... I had a thread about this last spring before the fight got signed,,, I said floyd needed canelo more than canelo needs him,,,, Canelo doesnt have a huge PPV contract to live up to like floyd does,,, Floyd needs an opponent that will do 1.5+ mil ppv buys, and only canelo can bring that type of numbers,,, Who else would have fought floyd,,,, Amir, alexander,, danny, lucas,,,, none would bring the numbers like canelo will,,, Canelo's team totally blew it,,,, They got scared and took the CW,,,, Dumb move because floyd had nowhere else to turn for a big name opponent

It's not Ellerbes job to negotiate for Canelo. I don't know what you mean. A CW request is bad enough, but this digging up an article from 2011 to justify it is just ridiculous.

Wait, wait a second! If the catchweight was asked for by Team Canelo why is there a huge penalty for each pound over 152? We all know that Money MAY asked for 152 lbs.:boxing::boxing::boxing:

Are you kidding? That was from 2011, he can't make the same weight now he could then. Why not go back 1 year, find Floyd saying he gives his opponents their best weight. It's not Ellerbes job to negotiate for Canelo.