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Arum, Pac, and Roach are all whores in my book and deserve what is presently happening to them. Pac is now having to beg for fights with Floyd and JMM. Nobody wants to see another Bradley fight, and Golden Boy has all of the best fighters between 140 and 154.
If Bradley and Pacquiao wins their next fight, Arum and Manny will moved heaven and earth for a rematch with Bradley, I hope Timothy still remembers how Pac dump him in favor of a fourth fight with Marquez, its payback karma, that's what Bradley should do, considering beating JMM will be a big boost.
Well you may have a point there.
When he switched from CWs are terrible and went on a crusade to CWs are OK because Floyd's next fight is a CW kinda tells it all .
You don't listen , I don't like CWs period , even Floyds , and I will say Canelo is drained if the hard evidence like Diuretics , IV fluid infusions that were around Margo Cotto and ODH surfaces with Canelo , and if Canelo is pushed around by Floyd , no snap on his punches , lethargic , no resistance beat up and stopped then I will scream a draining , you claim it before its happened that's pure fanboy .
So don't talk your BS and try and twist what Im saying , I didn't switch nothing , I don't like any CWs but they are a part of boxing and not all cause a draining , I will debate any of you Pac retards anytime , you guys run because Manny was a WW hype job and the PROOF is over whelming ,when ever we get to it you guys aint got nothing but hype , so yeah its way safer for you in denial Pac retards to put me on ignore , because if you talk fanboy spin about Manny Im going to slam dunk you , I only talk this way to Pac retards because I have no respect for you lot at all .
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/manny-pacquiaos-bad-matchmaking-karma-lead-post-rios-155600629.html
Arum, Pac, and Roach are all whores in my book and deserve what is presently happening to them. Pac is now having to beg for fights with Floyd and JMM. Nobody wants to see another Bradley fight, and Golden Boy has all of the best fighters between 140 and 154.
So a former 106 fighter fighting at welterweight and fought a guy 4 times who you thought also beat him 3 times already, I mean you fvcking idiot alt you thought a matchmaking turned bad karma.
You have just 300 post and yet you already had almost 1 billion points tells me you are floydiot reloaded alt.
If I were you, I'll just ignore the village idiot (reloaded) posts. I think something's wrong with the guy and believe it or not even the die-hard Floyd fans disown him.
Well you may have a point there.
When he switched from CWs are terrible and went on a crusade to CWs are OK because Floyd's next fight is a CW kinda tells it all .
I just came out of a thread where the Floyd fan was trying to convince us that Guerrero was legit because he beat Berto even though everyone is beating Berto.
If I were you, I'll just ignore the village idiot (reloaded) posts. I think something's wrong with the guy and believe it or not even the die-hard Floyd fans disown him.
Its not too much at all for fighter of the decade .
Even this Rios fight has underhanded motives behind it , the idea is so Manny can get a big KO to shoe horn himself into a big cash out fight , so in other words sneak in the back door whip a duck and talk big about wanting a mega fight with the best of the back of a B grader , Arum is pulling the strings and Arum don't give a fck about anything but his own pockets .
Rios is option #3 for Manny
Again, what was Floyd's excuse for fighting all these fighters at WW where they did practically NOTHING!
- Hatton - 1 fight at WW (King at 140 but Floyd fights him at 147)
- Marquez - 0 fights at JWW and WW (year before was fighting at 130 )
- Sharmba -1 fight against a noname
- Ortiz - 1 fight at WW (against Berto - everyone can get thru his defense)
- Guerrero - 2 fight at WW (against Berto - everyone can get thru his defense)
- Khan - 0 fights at WW was supposed to be Floyd's next opponent last year but Garcia saved us from that. Floyd's team and GB is still pushing for this.
Guerrero admitted to Floyd's cherry picking. Kinda tells it all!
Everyone should quit saying fighter of the decade,,,
that ended 4 years ago,,,, Ali was fighter of the decade of the 70s he was getting beat up by holmes and berbick,,, Does ali suck because of that,, NO
Johnson was a champion in Roy's division. Is it to much to ask for Manny to fight a champion or a top 10 WW?
ok, good point
Your missing the point , no need to fight losers that's just baring your ass to boxing , the thread topic is about bad match making , and he is now fighting A) a loser , B) a smaller division loser , C ) Roach admitted the only reason they chose Rios is to make Manny look good .
He could have fought Alvarez , or at least a WW , saying he wanted Bradley and Juan when it suited him is just a cop out , he wasn't there when they wanted it .
Is it hate or people are just sick of the shady match making in 99% of Mannys WW run , I hate Mannys fans not Manny , but I can sure see what has gone on since Diaz .
I have no problem with 2 action fighters coming off losses, fighting each other,,,
You want him to fight alveraz,,, floyd is on a 44 fight win streak and wants canelo at a CW, but you think manny should fight him coming off a year layoff and a nap in his last fight.....
Rios is coming up in weight, so what,, you act like manny is this big natural welter, when he is the same size as manny
And you say he should fight bradley, but bradley the champ and is fighting the guy that put manny to sleep.....
You can complain about the mosely and margs fights, thats legit,,, but that was a winning manny,,, not manny that had been put to sleep and year layoff,, i think manny-rios is a great action fight,,, and will really tell where manny is at mentally and physically
Rios was just chosen to make manny look good,,, like manny is the first guy to do that......
remember when floyd fought a stretch of fights with sosa, ndou, corley, bruscles, gatti, shambra,,, all designed to make floyd look good,,,
or when oscar got stopped by hopkins, took a long layoff and fought mayorga who hadnt won a big fight in 3 years,,,
Its ok for all of them to do it, but not manny.....
The only crap fights manny has had was shane,,, margs at least brought a huge size advantage and always came to fight,,, unlike shane
fighting jmm, then bradley, then jmm again is top level fights,,, he got ko'd badly, took a year off, and is fighting a guy his size coming off a loss, in what should be an action packed fight,,,,,
If manny was fighting pauli would that make you feel better,,,,
Who should have manny fought off his brutal loss to jmm
People like to exaggerate a bit. :alcoholic
I just came out of a thread where the Floyd fan was trying to convince us that Guerrero was legit because he beat Berto even though everyone is beating Berto.
Johnson was a champion in Roy's division. Is it to much to ask for Manny to fight a champion or a top 10 WW?
Its not too much at all for fighter of the decade .
Even this Rios fight has underhanded motives behind it , the idea is so Manny can get a big KO to shoe horn himself into a big cash out fight , so in other words sneak in the back door whip a duck and talk big about wanting a mega fight with the best of the back of a B grader , Arum is pulling the strings and Arum don't give a fck about anything but his own pockets .
How many have been put to sleep, literally put to sleep, and had a year layoff
if floyd or froch or ward got put out and sent to dreamland, do you think they would turn around and fight some top elite guy.....
people are holding manny to a very high standard,,,,
Just name a fighter that got put to sleep, and had a year layoff and then their next opponent,,,, I think manny deserves a soft touch after being PUT TO SLEEP,, this wasnt just a stoppage, this was the most brutal ko in a long time and people are complaining he is fighting rios next,, rios going to bring the fight, and manny is either the same manny and ko's rios, or he is shot and pulls a roy/glen and gets ko's again...
Remember when roy got put out, and then cameback vs 9 loss johnson,,, nobody had a problem with that, but let manny fight rios, and OMG what a cherrypicker,,,
It would be different if manny wasnt put to sleep,,, but damn, dude was in dreamland for a few minutes,,,,
People need to chill on the manny hate,,,
Johnson was a champion in Roy's division. Is it to much to ask for Manny to fight a champion or a top 10 WW?
How many have been put to sleep, literally put to sleep, and had a year layoff
if floyd or froch or ward got put out and sent to dreamland, do you think they would turn around and fight some top elite guy.....
people are holding manny to a very high standard,,,,
Just name a fighter that got put to sleep, and had a year layoff and then their next opponent,,,, I think manny deserves a soft touch after being PUT TO SLEEP,, this wasnt just a stoppage, this was the most brutal ko in a long time and people are complaining he is fighting rios next,, rios going to bring the fight, and manny is either the same manny and ko's rios, or he is shot and pulls a roy/glen and gets ko's again...
Remember when roy got put out, and then cameback vs 9 loss johnson,,, nobody had a problem with that, but let manny fight rios, and OMG what a cherrypicker,,,
It would be different if manny wasnt put to sleep,,, but damn, dude was in dreamland for a few minutes,,,,
People need to chill on the manny hate,,,
Your missing the point , no need to fight losers that's just baring your ass to boxing , the thread topic is about bad match making , and he is now fighting A) a loser , B) a smaller division loser , C ) Roach admitted the only reason they chose Rios is to make Manny look good .
He could have fought Alvarez , or at least a WW , saying he wanted Bradley and Juan when it suited him is just a cop out , he wasn't there when they wanted it .
Is it hate or people are just sick of the shady match making in 99% of Mannys WW run , I hate Mannys fans not Manny , but I can sure see what has gone on since Diaz .
How many fight face first losers from lighter divisions ?
How many have been put to sleep, literally put to sleep, and had a year layoff
if floyd or froch or ward got put out and sent to dreamland, do you think they would turn around and fight some top elite guy.....
people are holding manny to a very high standard,,,,
Just name a fighter that got put to sleep, and had a year layoff and then their next opponent,,,, I think manny deserves a soft touch after being PUT TO SLEEP,, this wasnt just a stoppage, this was the most brutal ko in a long time and people are complaining he is fighting rios next,, rios going to bring the fight, and manny is either the same manny and ko's rios, or he is shot and pulls a roy/glen and gets ko's again...
Remember when roy got put out, and then cameback vs 9 loss johnson,,, nobody had a problem with that, but let manny fight rios, and OMG what a cherrypicker,,,
It would be different if manny wasnt put to sleep,,, but damn, dude was in dreamland for a few minutes,,,,
People need to chill on the manny hate,,,
No justification for fighting Margarita, Clottey, and Mosley.
Who should PAC have fought? Floyd
You must have forgotten that Floyd lost his urge, went on vacation, where was PAC when Floyd was dominating at 21, PAC must train in the US only, one of the Mayweather has to be there at PAC training camp at all time, my health come first.
Pac's last few opponents are no worse than any other fighter,,,,,
froch fought yusaf mack and a shot kessler,,,,
may fighting shot cotto and ghost,,
jmm has likar ramos lol
ward hasnt been fighting,
serg has murray and chavez jr
manny fighting jmm, bradley, jmm is pretty solid opposition in my book,,,, Rios is a very tough fight for a guy that is coming off a year layoff, and was literally put to sleep in his last fight,,,,
manny opponents are no better and no worse than any other top fighter,,,
people still bringing up mosley, clottey, and margs from a few years ago,,,, clottey i though deserved a chance,, he took both margs and cotto into very tough fights and was a legit ranked guy,,, margs and shane were farce fights,,, but no worse than floyd fighting jmm, or his string at 135/140 which was sosa, ndou, corley, bruscles, gatti, shambra,, that was about the most pathetic run by an elite fighter ever, but nobody ever talks about that,,,,
You can pick apart anyones resume, but to say manny fought horrible mismatches more than any other fighter is simply not true
How many fight face first losers from lighter divisions ?
Pac's last few opponents are no worse than any other fighter,,,,,
froch fought yusaf mack and a shot kessler,,,,
may fighting shot cotto and ghost,,
jmm has likar ramos lol
ward hasnt been fighting,
serg has murray and chavez jr
manny fighting jmm, bradley, jmm is pretty solid opposition in my book,,,, Rios is a very tough fight for a guy that is coming off a year layoff, and was literally put to sleep in his last fight,,,,
manny opponents are no better and no worse than any other top fighter,,,
people still bringing up mosley, clottey, and margs from a few years ago,,,, clottey i though deserved a chance,, he took both margs and cotto into very tough fights and was a legit ranked guy,,, margs and shane were farce fights,,, but no worse than floyd fighting jmm, or his string at 135/140 which was sosa, ndou, corley, bruscles, gatti, shambra,, that was about the most pathetic run by an elite fighter ever, but nobody ever talks about that,,,,
You can pick apart anyones resume, but to say manny fought horrible mismatches more than any other fighter is simply not true
Lots of bums like Rios he can fight but try and sell them to American PPV and you will see him fall in a heap , Karma will always catch you in the end .
Well we'll see how that goes right?
Richard Schaefer has schooled Arum and Top Rank. Schaefer puts on the best fights with the best cards. Period. Arum's whole "cold war" approach towards Golden Boy is gay. Arum turned his back on history by sabotaging negotiations with Floyd and a boatload of money. Even if Floyd beat Pac, we all would have tuned in for Money vs Pac 2, 3, and 4 if those fights were competitive and if it wasn't, we still would have tuned in to see Pac fight others due to his style and legend.
Brandon Rios is going to get clobbered..assuming Pac isn't chin shot.
No justification for fighting Margarita, Clottey, and Mosley.
At least he could have fought them without the ducking of Mosley when he was winning and waiting till he looked crap , then Margo was dragged out of the abyss to give Manny a fake 154 paper title , and Clottey was an inhouse Arum scam to avoid Mayweather , Clottey retired to the Bahamas never to be seen again courtesy of Bobs good will retirement fund .
Even today he is involved in shady matchmaking , he wont fight a winning WW and not even a winning LW , you could write a novel on Mannys WW run its a promoting master stroke but a sham to boxing , Im sure someday there will be a book about his rise that wont be favorable .