You usually don't hear from the elite guys after a loss, at least not a half-hour long interview like this. But as an example Manny Pacquiao was in tears on home television after his loss.
Delusion I feel is part of the mindset of a boxer, he has to believe he can win even when he has lost so I don't think Cleverly is unique in that regard.
It is not delusion. Its believing in yourself
Kovalev easily won the first two rounds. Easily.
He won them but I wouldn't say easily. People claim he dominated them? Didn't see him land too much clean at all, lots of shots were partially blocked. Cleverly didn't do enough to win the rounds but he was hardly being dominated.
The sign of the portion of talent in a true potential elite boxer is a lot in how they learn from the loss. The odd excuse ok, but at least be somewhat realistic.
It's early days but to be making in-accurate excuses and not showing small signs of recognising what needs work in terms of mistakes and proper defensive training in such an in depth interview, suggests indeed there's a good chance he'll lose again and become a gate keeper.
Heck he's resigning himself to that almost, IF he continues. Most eventual elite guys don't get rattled that easily after one loss, there motivated to put the true errors right and prove themselves ASAP.
Shame because he has the raw talent to be better then that, and be much more if he got a proper trainer yes even for the last few weeks of camp, worked on defence, head movement, tactics, gameplans, mental strength etc.
He's never won a title. He was gifted belt after belt (right from domestic level). The easy ride didn't prepare him, mentally, for world-level competition.
The sign of the portion of talent in a true potential elite boxer is a lot in how they learn from the loss. The odd excuse ok, but at least be somewhat realistic.
It's early days but to be making in-accurate excuses and not showing small signs of recognising what needs work in terms of mistakes and proper defensive training in such an in depth interview, suggests indeed there's a good chance he'll lose again and become a gate keeper.
Heck he's resigning himself to that almost, IF he continues. Most eventual elite guys don't get rattled that easily after one loss, there motivated to put the true errors right and prove themselves ASAP.
Shame because he has the raw talent to be better then that, and be much more if he got a proper trainer yes even for the last few weeks of camp, worked on defence, head movement, tactics, gameplans, mental strength etc.
You usually don't hear from the elite guys after a loss, at least not a half-hour long interview like this. But as an example Manny Pacquiao was in tears on home television after his loss.
Delusion I feel is part of the mindset of a boxer, he has to believe he can win even when he has lost so I don't think Cleverly is unique in that regard.
The sign of the portion of talent in a true potential elite boxer is a lot in how they learn from the loss. The odd excuse ok, but at least be somewhat realistic.
It's early days but to be making in-accurate excuses and not showing small signs of recognising what needs work in terms of mistakes and proper defensive training in such an in depth interview, suggests indeed there's a good chance he'll lose again and become a gate keeper.
Heck he's resigning himself to that almost, IF he continues. Most eventual elite guys don't get rattled that easily after one loss, there motivated to put the true errors right and prove themselves ASAP.
Shame because he has the raw talent to be better then that, and be much more if he got a proper trainer yes even for the last few weeks of camp, worked on defence, head movement, tactics, gameplans, mental strength etc.
Even UK commentators had Kovelev taking the first two rounds comfortably.
He did, but it's not unusual for a fighter to be biased towards his own effort. Tim Bradley still thinks he beat Pacquiao.
don't think kovalev landed any punches the first 2 rounds, so i'd imagine he did
Even UK commentators had Kovelev taking the first two rounds comfortably.
He needs a proper trainer. Or bring in someone to help with the strategy in the last 3-4 weeks of camp. I think everyone knows he's not going to be the next Calzaghe but hes a good fighter, just not the best. He took a tough fight and he paid for it. At least he had the balls to step it up.
I just started watching it and he's already saying that he was bound to lose, it was just about when, not a good mentality or maybe hes just making excuses to soften the blow of the loss.
Signs aren't promising either way.
Doesn't do a proper post fight interview & leaves.
Thought he was winning all the rounds.
Not sure if he has the drive to continue boxing.
Thinks you're simply going to get a loss at some stage.
:poke:
he's going to do / say / think whatever he can to move forward. i don't blame a losing fighter for making excuses. if he gets back into the gym with new motivation i can't knock a young guy for making a few excuses.
that said, if he just thinks he's going to start taking losses he'll be a gatekeeper.
Cleverly humbled
Cleverly sounds humbled and that's a good thing for him. He was beyond ****y, acting as if he was the baddest man to ever walk the earth. He was talking Hopkins after Kovalev as if he was a mere formality. This loss has certainly brought him back to earth. But he will want to continue after a break, and he should. He's got more to offer and can still get some quality wins and make some money. Hey, now that he got drubbed, Hopkins will probably be on the phone with him to set up the match.
don't think kovalev landed any punches the first 2 rounds, so i'd imagine he did
Neither did Clev, and Kovalev was pressing the action. Haven't watched it back, but pretty sure I had Kovalev up 3 zip going into the 4th.
He said he won the first 2 rounds and was winning the 3rd. He is delusional...
don't think kovalev landed any punches the first 2 rounds, so i'd imagine he did
Interesting how he said he never worked on anything technical defensively, "just punching".
Confirms my belief that Vince Cleverly is just a poor man's version of Enzo Calzaghe
Nathan's defence always worried me in this fight. They obviously relied too much on his chin and his punch output. They need to stop trying to make him Calzaghe 2.0
the welsh are so embarrassed by this that the fight hasn't gone up on the BBC iplayer website at all (usually the fight is up to replay for those who miss it on the night). It was such a one sided beatdown, really a KO in round 3 if the welsh ref hadn't cheated, that they don't want the world to experience it.
I know. Terry O'Connor cost me 25Euros
the welsh are so embarrassed by this that the fight hasn't gone up on the BBC iplayer website at all (usually the fight is up to replay for those who miss it on the night). It was such a one sided beatdown, really a KO in round 3 if the welsh ref hadn't cheated, that they don't want the world to experience it.
The thing is he was outclassed in all elements of the game.
I don't think he thinks he can beat Kovalev if they ever face again.
It's hard to continue with that idea if you can do something else in your life. He can have a decent life without sacrificing that much. I heard that guy has a math's degree.
Anyway I would like to see him again as he's not a bad fighter.