Top of the mornin', pugilistas!
New to the the forum. Liking it, but I think the nuttiest thing I've seen so far is the site's top ten p4p list (!) Other than that it's been pretty solid.
Don't know how many of you ever put together your own lists, but if you do (or would) I thought it could be fun to share & compare. I'll practice what I preach ... (Feel free to smash mine all to smithereens, LOL -- I'm not thin-skinned; I know the most disagreed-upon part of it will be having my #4 ahead of my #5)
My Current P4P Top Ten:
1) Floyd Mayweather
2) Andre Ward
3) Wladimir Klitschko
4) Manny Pacquiao
5) Juan Manuel Marquez
6) Guillermo Rigondeaux
7) Mikey Garcia
8) Gennady Golovkin
9) Vitali Klitschko
10) Abner Mares
Next in Line: Nonito Donaire, Sergio Martinez, Leo Santa Cruz
After That: Timothy Bradley, Canelo Alvarez, Carl Froch, Lucas Matthysse
Keeping an Eye On: Adrien Broner, Keith Thurman, Erislandy Lara
1. mayweather
2. rigondeaux*
3. ward
4. marquez
5. mares
6. pacquiao
7. wlad
8. martinez
9. bradley**
10. donaire***
* i previously had donaire at #2 so it'd be silly not to put rigo there after the beating he put on him
** based mainly on the pacquiao fight, in which he largely fought on equal terms with pacman even though he probably didn't deserve the nod
*** still has one of the best resumes in boxing, and lest we forget he did actually knock rigondeaux down
i haven't seen enough of roman gonzalez to make a fully qualified assessment on him. matthysse will make the list if (read: when) he beats garcia, and while golovkin passes the eye test with flying colours, his resume is desperately lacking big names at the moment. mikey garcia could also use another top win.
1. Matthysse. - Straight up murderer.
2. Froch. - Original gangster, fights anyone.
3. Marquez. - Probably roiding his nutsack off, but still a living legend.
4. Ward. - Hometown cherry picker, but he delivers (apart from occasional cheating).
5. Golovkin. - Has the skills of a prime Sugar Ray Robinson and the power of Earnie Shavers.
6. Mayweather. - Wife beating cherrypicker, but he is good.
7. Rigondeaux. - He's good.
8. Hopkins. - Geriatric and going senile, but still beating World champions.
9. Leo Santa Cruz - Baby Margarito, will give the Ricans sleepless nights for the next decade).
10. Antonio Tarver - Beat the brakes of Kayode, i believe members of Roy Jones camp tampered with his drug test to besmirch his name.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=606218
Why not? Taking away the hate for both guys, they are champions in multiple weight classes, and have both faced top guys in their division.
Compare that to someone like Bradley who is frequently on many people's lists despite having a career best win over Devon Alexander who quit, and Junior witter of all people. Getting credit for robbing Pacman and Ruslan now?
You lost me at "champions" and "faced top guys in their division." They are not champions--a term thrown around way too loosely nowadays. A titlist is not a champion.
Chuck Giampa might believe differently, but I rate p4p heavily on opposition...and neither of them have had enough to be considered top 10.
broner and canelo have no business on a top 10 p4p list
Why not? Taking away the hate for both guys, they are champions in multiple weight classes, and have both faced top guys in their division.
Compare that to someone like Bradley who is frequently on many people's lists despite having a career best win over Devon Alexander who quit, and Junior witter of all people. Getting credit for robbing Pacman and Ruslan now?
Nice to see literally everybody recognizing the talents of Abner Mares, which surprises me a little (many such lists don't include him). Props, fells (short for "fellows").
Also, I need to educate myself on Roman Gonzales.
Why do you not include heavyweights?
For a couple of reasons, mainly because the point of p4p is to determine who's the best fighter outside of the heavyweights.
Also because skillwise, speed etc, it's unjust to heavies to compare them imo.
Here's mine at the moment;
1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Ward
4. Rigondeaux
5. Wlad Klitschko
6. Froch
7. Pacquaio
8. Mares
9. Bradley
10. Canelo
Hamza: Already sold that much on Canelo? Not yet buying Golovkin? (Not arguing, just curious.)
My list is gonna cause a shitstorm so I won't post it. Basically I have a criteria
I judge fighters on a year by year basis and by form. If I do what everyone else does and judge by overall resume, then Hopkins would be consistently on it. Fact is, he's not on mine. Pacquaio is not in my top 10. He hasn't won a fight since 2011 (controversially) and lost his last 2. I also removed Mayweather when he took lengthy breaks.
If a fighter is inactive fora year without having a fight officially scheduled, they're removed. Vitali Klitschko and Andre Ward will have been inactive for a year come September so both are looking to be removed from my list.
I look into account context of the win, opponent and the overall performance of said win