I put HBO Boxing on the same level as replacement refs

How many millions will Showtime make with the Floyd Canelo PPV, ever heard of an investment ?????????? Showtime should make some millions back. But unless it gets 2million plus PPV buys, I see Showtime barely making their money back again. Showtime rushed this fight to make there money from the last fight. Plus they probably spent 50+ millions getting the fightcard, tours, and other promo for May vs Alvarez

HBO is making a profit SHO lost 12 million in one event Your analogy makes no sense How many millions will Showtime make with the Floyd Canelo PPV, ever heard of an investment ??????????

No one wants to waste money on a fighter who doesnt wanna fight. Awesome that his qualities allow him to win inside of the rules of boxing. But this is a money making buisness of fighting entertainment. He is bad for buisness. No following , no excitement equals waste of money . No one will lay ate money to see that. Sorry. Rigo needs to adjust his style , or make cheap money Fighting in non televised spots on undercards. Cant sell a guy who doesnt fight.

I don't see what point is at the end of the day. Both networks provide Boxing we all watch. It's not like fans stop subscribing to HBO and ordered Showtime on some fanboy type sh*t. Keep in mind as well, their PPV business and their network business are two totally different things. Floyd will NEVER fight on Showtime while Floyd made a career fighting on HBO before making it big on PPV. But the networks generate their real money from viewers and as it stands HBO this year has had hella ratings with their Boxing. You also have to add in that the Boxing programming all ties into the overall Network and HBO is still the #1 Premium cable network. If one wants to choose sides lol...be my guest. actually there have been posers that choose networks based on what fighters they like. shameful

They both didn't and don't know wtf they are doing. They are too lazy to market Rigondeaux or they are still butthurt. They turn down every idea Andre Ward suggests for a tune up fight. HBO wake up, Andre Ward may be a freak of nature but they need to let him have a tune up fight. How about Ward vs Stieglitz. If HBO rejected something like that, he should be smart and go right back to showtime. Showtime Boxing is successful and HBO needs to wake up. Luckily for HBO you have no goddam idea what you're talking about.

HBO only has three things going for them: Gennady Golovkin, Andre Ward, and Michael Buffer. The reason why I did not put the great Juan Manuel Marquez is because he is probably going to retire soon. Otherwise HBO is garbage. Showtime has: Mayweather, Danny Garcia, Bernard Hopkins, Adrien Broner, ETC. The list goes on and on. The only things HBO is making a profit on is their TV shows. Pretty much anything unrelated to boxing. Showtimes profits have went up because of Mayweather going over to showtime. Entertainment and TV Shows in General HBO takes the cake because they have Game of Thrones and some other popular shows. But when it comes to combat sports not including Football, Showtime has done better this year and will continue to be better. I don't see what point is at the end of the day. Both networks provide Boxing we all watch. It's not like fans stop subscribing to HBO and ordered Showtime on some fanboy type sh*t. Keep in mind as well, their PPV business and their network business are two totally different things. Floyd will NEVER fight on Showtime while Floyd made a career fighting on HBO before making it big on PPV. But the networks generate their real money from viewers and as it stands HBO this year has had hella ratings with their Boxing. You also have to add in that the Boxing programming all ties into the overall Network and HBO is still the #1 Premium cable network. If one wants to choose sides lol...be my guest.

HBO is going to lose money on that RIOS-Pacquiao fight.. and HBO boxing budget is going to decrease. Showtime is where it's at, Andre Ward needs to fight whoever they want then come back to Showtime asap... HBO has fallen. You wish. You don't know how this works, do you? The networks normally can't lose money on a PPV cause they're not making any guarantees. The promoter does that. Floyd's deal with Showtime is different, the network is making the guarantee, hence stand to lose money, potentially big time

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xMrZxUdE8Y4/UOSxoFR1l0I/AAAAAAAAETY/W8cPrY9YOII/s1600/im-retarded.gif Tells us something we don't know about you The other guy is right, SHO is certainly strapped. Broner Maidana PPV lol

HBO is making a profit SHO lost 12 million in one event Your analogy makes no sense http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xMrZxUdE8Y4/UOSxoFR1l0I/AAAAAAAAETY/W8cPrY9YOII/s1600/im-retarded.gif

Even going by Ring's Top 10 like Weebler is....those guys are either not available, not acceptable to HBO, or don't want to fight Ward. Except James DeGale and Oosthuizen who should have lost in his last fight. Are you telling me that Sartison is any worse than DeGale? I don't see much of a difference between them. And if anything I bet that Sartison will accept less money. Cmon he is a horrible opponent. You know he is, im not sure why in the world you would even attempt to hype him up. It would be like Pac fighting Lee purdy at WW. If he wants him as a tune, go fight off HBO for no money. HBO is completely right in deny this. I'd bet Ward wants like a mil for it too. No body wants to see this

HBO still doing alright, Showtime putting on good fight cards but I wont count HBO out yet. I think showtime kinda flop on May vs Guerrero and barely if any got there money back. May vs Alvarez should be a money maker, but I think Showtime spent A LOT of money promoting and getting this fight card together. Honestly I think they rushed making May vs Alvarez because of barely making there money back from the last fight.

Lol please stop. HBO doesnt give a fcuk about WBA ratings and neither should you. You're actually trying to justify this matchup according to WBA rankings? Again dont be ridiculous Even going by Ring's Top 10 like Weebler is....those guys are either not available, not acceptable to HBO, or don't want to fight Ward. Except James DeGale and Oosthuizen who should have lost in his last fight. Are you telling me that Sartison is any worse than DeGale? I don't see much of a difference between them. And if anything I bet that Sartison will accept less money.

Ward is their Super Champion. Whether you like it or not he has to consider their rankings when it comes to things like mandatories and optional defenses etc. Otherwise they'll strip him just like the WBC did. Lol please stop. HBO doesnt give a fcuk about WBA ratings and neither should you. You're actually trying to justify this matchup according to WBA rankings? Again dont be ridiculous

Golovkin, Pacquiao, Martinez, Froch, Klitschko, Bradley, Kessler, Murray, Kovalev, Marquez, Ward, Rios, Stevenson, Alvarado, Donaire, Rigondeaux have all appeared or will appear on HBO this year. HBO blacklisted Rigondeaux, They want no part of him and that is a shame. That shows how Butthurt HBO is about donaire losing. Rigondeaux put on a masterpiece and HBO can't appreciate what true boxing is. Hopefully when Rigondeaux's contract is up, he goes over to showtime and Golden Boy Promotions where he will hopefully be appreciated by the Promoters and where he will hopefully be appreciated by the networks.

Why do you keep bringing up WBA rankings? They dont matter for sh1t. Sartison is not even top 20 at 168, dont be ridiculous Ward is their Super Champion. Whether you like it or not he has to consider their rankings when it comes to things like mandatories and optional defenses etc. Otherwise they'll strip him just like the WBC did.

lol oh look no mention of Pacquiao lmfao. Miss Pacman got knocked out, he is not relevant anymore. He was a hypejob that people hyped up as a hope that there was one person who could beat mayweather. There is nobody that can beat mayweather, and if there is anybody, Its Gennady Golovkin. Mayweather=Relevant Pacquiao=Who is that again. Oh he's that guy that got ktfo by Marquez.

HBO only has three things going for them: Gennady Golovkin, Andre Ward, and Michael Buffer. The reason why I did not put the great Juan Manuel Marquez is because he is probably going to retire soon. Otherwise HBO is garbage. Golovkin, Pacquiao, Martinez, Froch, Klitschko, Bradley, Kessler, Murray, Kovalev, Marquez, Ward, Rios, Stevenson, Alvarado, Donaire, Rigondeaux have all appeared or will appear on HBO this year.

HBO is making a profit SHO lost 12 million in one event Your analogy makes no sense HBO only has three things going for them: Gennady Golovkin, Andre Ward, and Michael Buffer. The reason why I did not put the great Juan Manuel Marquez is because he is probably going to retire soon. Otherwise HBO is garbage. Showtime has: Mayweather, Danny Garcia, Bernard Hopkins, Adrien Broner, ETC. The list goes on and on. The only things HBO is making a profit on is their TV shows. Pretty much anything unrelated to boxing. Showtimes profits have went up because of Mayweather going over to showtime. Entertainment and TV Shows in General HBO takes the cake because they have Game of Thrones and some other popular shows. But when it comes to combat sports not including Football, Showtime has done better this year and will continue to be better.

Ward is the WBA Super Champion and Sartison is ranked #4 by the WBA. How is that a non top 10 fighter? Top 10 Ring http://******.craveonline.com/ratings/super-middleweight i.e. one of the top ten fighters in the division.

Ward is the WBA Super Champion and Sartison is ranked #4 by the WBA. How is that a non top 10 fighter? Why do you keep bringing up WBA rankings? They dont matter for sh1t. Sartison is not even top 20 at 168, dont be ridiculous