Joe Calzaghe Appreciation Thread

I miss Joe...

I think if he was an Italian American and fought 30-40 years ago, he would have been revered. He was a genuinely great fighter. I sometimes feel the same sentiment as Barry McGuigan. "When are the Americans going to get it? Joe Calzaghe can really fight". I will let you read the following quote before I reveal who said it. "I knew the first time I saw Calzaghe that he really had something, he went in there completely unfazed against (Chris) Eubank which nobody else had done. Eubank was the guy who usually seemed to have control of everything around him but the way Calzaghe went in there and manhandled him like that... "I was watching it in Italy, it was the same night England beat Italy to qualify for the soccer World Cup. "Calzaghe showed and proved power, speed, strength, workrate, stamina, chin, heart and every tangible and intangible that night and that's why I'm not suprised that he's not lost since. "Sometimes it's like watching a welterweight or junior-middleweight in a super-middleweight's body because he's so nimble and sharp handed. I would never bet against him." That is none other than Marvin Hagler. I would take the word of these guys over anyone here. So many great fighters and trainers have such a high opinion of him, I don't know why American fight fans in particular cant see it. Wow...That is some high praise from an ATG like Hagler.

I think if he was an Italian American and fought 30-40 years ago, he would have been revered. He was a genuinely great fighter. I sometimes feel the same sentiment as Barry McGuigan. "When are the Americans going to get it? Joe Calzaghe can really fight". I will let you read the following quote before I reveal who said it. "I knew the first time I saw Calzaghe that he really had something, he went in there completely unfazed against (Chris) Eubank which nobody else had done. Eubank was the guy who usually seemed to have control of everything around him but the way Calzaghe went in there and manhandled him like that... "I was watching it in Italy, it was the same night England beat Italy to qualify for the soccer World Cup. "Calzaghe showed and proved power, speed, strength, workrate, stamina, chin, heart and every tangible and intangible that night and that's why I'm not suprised that he's not lost since. "Sometimes it's like watching a welterweight or junior-middleweight in a super-middleweight's body because he's so nimble and sharp handed. I would never bet against him." That is none other than Marvin Hagler. I would take the word of these guys over anyone here. So many great fighters and trainers have such a high opinion of him, I don't know why American fight fans in particular cant see it. Clearly Joe Calzaghe could have done more, his resume is light, but he often gets ALL the blame for this, and I dont think that is fair at all. He also has some premature stoppages, no one disagrees with this, but is that his fault? He was a genuine great fighter who would have been near the top in any middleweight-lightheavyweight era. Is he as great as Bernard Hopkins, or Roy Jones? Hell no!!! Do I think he would have beat them prime for prime? Slim chance. But the hate he gets is unjustified. To class him in the same league as Sven Ottke is a joke. He was genuinely heavy handed as well, no one gives him credit for this, the guy used fast flurries, sometimes questionable technique, and later in his career he adapted to protect his hands, he concentrated more on scoring and racking up points, with a few hard shots mixed in, but in his earlier career he punched with a lot more intent. There are plenty of testimonials to his heavy hands, Chris Eubank desribed it like being hit with a stone. This is what Charles Brewer had to say about him, a fighter who one way or another has stepped in the ring with most of the top fighters in and around 160-175 over the last two decades. "The hardest puncher I fought (long pause) that’s a real tough one. I dished out a lot more punishment than I ever took. But I’d have to say Joe Calzaghe. Joe was not a one-punch KO kind of guy, but he overwhelmed guys; he had those ridiculous combinations! And I deviated from my game-plan that night, and we just warred; we went two-to-toe for 12-rounds. It was a battle of heart and guts. Joe was just a great technical, mentally draining, puncher." I just don't get the criticism, to be honest from the Americans it will never stop. I was on NSB when he was going to get crushed by Lacy. I was on NSB when he was going to get outboxed and taken out by Kessler. You would be surprised at how many people here were picking against him vs Jones. He was scared of Pavlik. There will always be an extreme opinion on him one way or another, but the reality is he falls somewhere in between. For me he is first or second ballot HOF and its that simple.

Calzaghe was a good fighter, but his resume is weak give him props for beating up Lacy and Kessler to unify ho hum credit for the Hopkins win, both guys looked like crap the guy coulda done more but waited too long to step up

Cal-slappy sucks. I would drop him in a street fight. 46 have tried...46 have failed. Undefeated and Undisputed Champion of the World.

Speculating for the sake of conversation is normal but some internet guys really have a deep, inexplicable hatred for the man. Bizarre. Yeah it is weird...I guess they can't handle the fact that Joe is one of the greatest fighters to ever live. 46-0 speaks for itself.

This is like arguing with a child. There was no implication from what I wrote regarding juries that I was saying that 'internet forums and youtube vids' are something jthat uries 'work off'. The suggestion was in regards to your capacity to properly evaluate and weigh evidence. you applied what you saw of me on the internet to my ability to work as juror. Do you think I would use these sources as a juror to come to these conclusions? Or not? Do I apply your nuthugging abilities to your proficiency to rack up your muscles up in the gym? Both require a degree of committed blindness, but no I'm not going to generalise like that about you. Simple question then about you applying my abilities on a forum to a jury setting, something inextricably different. YOUR answer is yes you do think I would apply this approach to a jury session. The truth is I wouldn't. Its jury, its a whole different kettle of fish. People think in different ways in different settings when working out different problems, sorry if that's something you cant accept, but brain surgery and jurisprudence and town planning all require different approaches, its as sure as sugar. But you think its the same? And in fact there is direct evidence that people utilise their skills differently in jury service as they do in their jobs and in real life situations, which is why jury service is elected so free of occupational ability, contrary to your thinking. Jury service is selected to achieve a median decision of society, not from university boffins who can draw logic gates till xmas comes. Have you even been on a jury? To spell it out for you, the videos do not show enough of the fight to give the appropriate context for the stoppage therefore they are pretty lousy evidence indeed for the view that Calzaghe was the recipient of unjust premature stoppage victories. they are made by a Calzaghe nuthugger to show great his hero is, yet they reveal the opposite of that intention. Thus is the blindness of nuthugging revealed to you. Or isn't revealed to you, you can chose which path you please. And I would like to add that I didn't put those videos up, I am merely referring to them, so don't pin that on me. I am VERY happy to keep this a JC Appreciation thread, if you would be so kind, and I have REPEATEDLY made an effort to share in that aim.

since when do juries work off internet forums and youtube vids? never. idiot comment. obviously you didn't read what I'd said earlier that the video evidence cant be used to explain fights they don't show, but it does show premature ref stoppages, which you of course are in denial of and that's the salient fact here. This is like arguing with a child. There was no implication from what I wrote regarding juries that I was saying that 'internet forums and youtube vids' are something jthat uries 'work off'. The suggestion was in regards to your capacity to properly evaluate and weigh evidence. In regards to that you have shown yet again that incompetence, for you assert in the first part of your sentence something that is indeed true but in the second part of that very same sentence you assert that it is evidence of something that the videos - due to their length - cannot suitably establish. To spell it out for you, the videos do not show enough of the fight to give the appropriate context for the stoppage therefore they are pretty lousy evidence indeed for the view that Calzaghe was the recipient of unjust premature stoppage victories.

The video's were a very limited and biased sample to back up the view of someone who is not a Calzaghe fan and who is even more prejudicial than you are! That you cannot discern that is pretty astonishing. I hope to God that you never have to serve on a jury. since when do juries work off internet forums and youtube vids? never. idiot comment. obviously you didn't read what I'd said earlier that the video evidence cant be used to explain fights they don't show, but it does show premature ref stoppages, which you of course are in denial of and that's the salient fact here. And the video was made by a biased Joe fan too, yet you are blind enough to claim its against Joe. hmmm..

Calzaghe is one of the fiercest most determined men to ever box. Miss him being around. I could not have said it better myself.

My source was the video evidence from a Calzaghe fan, so if you think that is baised against Calzaghe, good luck with that thought, I can see why you opted out when its all there in the flesh in front of you. In addition, I have added an appreciative fact about Joe to each post I made here. The video's were a very limited and biased sample to back up the view of someone who is not a Calzaghe fan and who is even more prejudicial than you are! That you cannot discern that is pretty astonishing. I hope to God that you never have to serve on a jury.

Your post was prejudicial and not a real attempt to judge Calzaghe's worth as a fighter. My source was the video evidence from a Calzaghe fan, so if you think that is baised against Calzaghe, good luck with that thought, I can see why you opted out when its all there in the flesh in front of you. In addition, I have added an appreciative fact about Joe to each post I made here.

You were posting in the thread about Calzaghe (shock) vs McClellan. OP said Calzaghe ducked McClellan :lol1: There is no such thread at all, it was a long list of fighters some young dude posted thanks for confirming that you would lie to get one up.

Ultimate crusher of Fat Yank dreams. That's why you'll see so much resentment in this thread. You know what makes me laugh everytime I see you say that.. Really? Whos dream he crushed? Roy Jones, Hopkins? They have fans, but they actually didnt give a **** about Hopkins or Jones losing. They knew Jones was way past t. And That Hopkins had a good claim he won that fight. So your really reaching or trolling, might be both but that gets old after a while. We all know a Prime Jones or Hopkins has no problems with this guy. And you know it as well. I'll give Joe this, he retired the smart way while bigger threats in 168 came, so props to him for that. But he's very over rated to be called a legend. But i guess with how this generation is, you 20-0 you ATG.

This thread is dedicated to the Iconic & Legendary Joe Calzaghe. Undefeated and Undisputed. The greatest fighter in the last 20 years. I was honored just to watch you Joe. He's definitely an ATG. I wish I hadn't become disinterested in boxing at the time so I could've watched him live. I slowly began getting interested in boxing again because Pacroid got my attention.

why don't you quote this mysterious person, unless you are making it up just like you did with the last post. Balls in your court, I don't expect a reply. You were posting in the thread about Calzaghe (shock) vs McClellan. OP said Calzaghe ducked McClellan :lol1:

thanks for pointing it out, it could have been on any thread in this forum Ihave no inclination to check the whole forum. It appears you think its normal to have that kind of time spare. Good luck with your sparetime, but for me checking the whole forum is beyond me yes. The OP is an idiot to suggest McG was ducked by Joe of course, they are different eras. In keeping with the spirit of the thread I would like to add that Joe had impressive longevity to around from Eubank era up to 2009, considering Kessler was still at school back then. He must have had an Olympian approach to training and maintaining that superfit engine. You were insinuating that someone was lying because you couldn't be bothered to check. but as yet no counterpoint made to anything I said, just a pretence that you are holier than thou. As it was with the previous post, its still your move. Your post did not, and does not, deserve a genuine reply, if you genuinely think in this manner then nothing anyone says will change your mind unless you simply don't know that the majority of knockouts in boxing are TKO's. Your post was prejudicial and not a real attempt to judge Calzaghe's worth as a fighter.

Calzaghe is one of the fiercest most determined men to ever box. Miss him being around. ****ing slayer!!!! http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6s15wvpZ61ranhnao1_400.gif

Do you even watch boxing? All you have achieved in this post is revealed your own ignorance and prejudice. What is embarrassing is that in your little head you must actually think you are making sense. Bless. but as yet no counterpoint made to anything I said, just a pretence that you are holier than thou. As it was with the previous post, its still your move.