Is joe calzaghe the best SMW of all time

What fight at Super Middleweight did Calzaghe turn down that was as lucrative as Ward-Bute? seeing as he almost never signed to face anyone at bute's level to turn down, theres a pot calling the kettle black there somewhere. Why would anyone need to duck bums? On the other hand, when Joe occasionally did face a good opponent he was always trying to chicken out of it (Kessler and the false 'image' of Lacy). He wasn't a brave guy, he always wanted to have an opponent several leagues below him. You do realise that once Ward faces Bute (as I expect he will defenc against him at some point) then your theory about this one single duck will go up in smoke, and Calzaghe fighting almost an entire series of bums for a decade will remain stone cold fact. Not taking away from Joe's obvious abilities (handspeed, fitness, chin) but he defended at national champion level for most of his 'world' reign. Noone would have any problem with misreading his smw record as a british champs record.

^ to the other alt in the thread, do you now see why i don't usually talk to alts? I'm not an alt, there's only one of me you retard fuk piss of ****

mOST aFRICAN-aMERICAN FIGHTERS IN THE MODERN ERA ARE SLIMEY MOTHER ****ERS RIGHT ? ^ to the other alt in the thread, do you now see why i don't usually talk to alts?

I got it close but Calzaghe is retired and Ward can add to his resume.

moving a fighter to make money is an "excuse" only to somebody who really don't get past the surface of the sport. again, i'm not some fanboy. here's how it is: ward's people wanted an easy fight for ward, and a hard fight for bute, before they fought bute. mOST aFRICAN-aMERICAN FIGHTERS IN THE MODERN ERA ARE SLIMEY MOTHER ****ERS RIGHT ?

You sound paranoid about alts I only signed up for news on the big fights coming up in September. Ward hardly had tough fights in the S6. Didn't he fight Allen Green, Bika and Abraham? He also let Dirrell get away. What a Murderers Row. Stop making excuses for the guy. It's been 2 years and he is still waiting for a tuneup bout. moving a fighter to make money is an "excuse" only to somebody who really don't get past the surface of the sport. again, i'm not some fanboy. here's how it is: ward's people wanted an easy fight for ward, and a hard fight for bute, before they fought bute.

He's been fighting "Top 5 guys" for nearly 20 years :lol1: And that is very true actually. Floyd could have said, "I'm waiting for my hand to heal", "Canelo doesn't deserve to fight me yet" then Canelo moves on to fight Lara for immediate example and get smashed in 4 rounds and then suddenly that becomes fine that a fight that made so much sense didn't happen because Canelo didn't live up to the fight. Ward-Bute would have been a mega fight at the time. To unify a division, and make a lot of money. We didn't get it because Ward turned it down and that's just simply the facts. that's where you're wrong. show me evidence of that. i'm quite familiar with american TV money budgets. ward did not stand to make "megafight" money. it wasn't even close to that. it was a very good payday, and it would have been there after ward fought pavlik and bute beat froch≥.

Whatever the reason Ward avoided the fight, the fact remains that he didn't "clean out" or "dominate" the entire SMW division as some would like to have you believe.

Of course he would have. He should have taken it anyway when it was presented. not if you're joe goosen, or virgil hunter (ward's manager in addition to trainer ) they wanted to fight kelly pavlik, for not too much less mind you, at home. if a fighter in the last 10 years earned an easy fight, it was carl froch post SS. he took the bute fight because he's a different breed. they also had that funky rematch clause with bute, and it almost looked like an exit strategy for froch. he had psoen about retirement before. ward was the second most deserving of an easy fight, and he tried to take it with pavlik. i don't blame him at all. i surely don't blame hunter and goosen for trying to extend a guy's career. bute looked like another very hard fight, and he turned down the tournament.

who cares about the super 6 winner the tourney turned into a joke halfway through. Allen Green got a chance lol bute shouldnt have had to fight froch. for what? How does it make the fight bigger? By beating a guy hes favored to beat? right........ makes no sense real accounts, bro. i usually don't do alts. if you're banned or you're posting under another name to be anonymous i probably shouldn't waste my time on you. there's more that goes into choosing a fight than "bigness." andre ward just had a hard run of fights. to extend his career, and allow his hands to heal with confidence, his team wanted an easy fight, and they wanted it before bute. not after. that how people who move fights think. not fans. you guys just want to see the biggest fights. i get it. fighters, managers, and promotors want to make money. i get that too. most of you guys don't. the people who move fighters think about maximizing earning potential over the course of a fighter's entire career, or in some cases a many fight contract. i undersand that you guys want the big fights lined up one afte rthe other, but that's just not how it works.

again, he would have taken the fight if bute beat froch, or entered the SS, and those are two things beyond ward or goosen's control. Of course he would have. He should have taken it anyway when it was presented.

nah, it wasnt. not many predicted bute would get smashed by froch. if bute was as good as advertised, he would have made it to the super fight. Bute only fought Froch because Ward didn't want the fight. So yes, it was Ward's fault we didn't get to see the fight initially.

Floyd Mayweather has been fighting "top 10 guys" for nearly 20 years. He could've quite easily avoided the Canelo fight under the same excuses and conditions Ward used and robbed the boxing fans of another mega fight. He's been fighting "Top 5 guys" for nearly 20 years :lol1: And that is very true actually. Floyd could have said, "I'm waiting for my hand to heal", "Canelo doesn't deserve to fight me yet" then Canelo moves on to fight Lara for immediate example and get smashed in 4 rounds and then suddenly that becomes fine that a fight that made so much sense didn't happen because Canelo didn't live up to the fight. Ward-Bute would have been a mega fight at the time. To unify a division, and make a lot of money. We didn't get it because Ward turned it down and that's just simply the facts.

I agree with everything pretty much. I don't discredit Ward. He get's credit from me he's P4P #3 on my list. Still doesn't change the fact he should have taken the fight. again, he would have taken the fight if bute beat froch, or entered the SS, and those are two things beyond ward or goosen's control.

Floyd Mayweather has been fighting "top 10 guys" for nearly 20 years. He could've quite easily avoided the Canelo fight under the same excuses and conditions Ward used and robbed the boxing fans of another mega fight.

nah, it wasnt. not many predicted bute would get smashed by froch. if bute was as good as advertised, he would have made it to the super fight. It shouldn't have even gone as far as Froch though. Ward should have taken that scalp before Froch was even considered. The Froch fight only happened because Ward turned it down.

No, that's Andre Ward. Ward is definitely better then Joe Calzaghe.

Because; It would have made the most money He would have unified the division (Something he has yet to do) He would have added a huge boost to has resume He would have been one of the biggest fights in Boxing And, it wouldn't even be a tough fight. Low risk, ridiculously high reward in every way. Sounds like to me it makes a ridiculous amount of sense to give this guy a free shot at the SS winner considering all of these things. Or, on the other hand, you can take option B; Do nothing for a while Sign to fight Pavlik Do nothing a while longer Fight a dead man and get no credit Be sitting around 2 years later with no good wins and no options. none of that would have been an issue if bute beat froch, or if bute had been the finalist in the tournament. that's when the fight makes sense for EVERYBODY, and not just bute's people. you're missing that one key factor. bute had two shots to enter the tournament and turned them down. to skip the SS and fight the winner is exactlty what he wanted. it's an advantage that ward's people weren't willing to give up. ward would ahve fought bute post froch, or even better if he entered teh tournament like a real man. bute didnt' win the froch fight. is that really what you're getting on about andre ward over. additionally, you seem to think ward would benefit hugely in money from a bute fight, and it's very clear based on bute's financial dealings with kessler among others that he would not have earned much canada money. dawson was seen as 10X the fight bute would have been. kelly pavlik's entire life went down the drain. you're looking at hindsight, which isn't how a fighter's career is moved. skip the tournament, fight the winner, and somehow deserve it?

It was his fault. Or at least whoever advised him to reject that fight. No one else is to blame. nah, it wasnt. not many predicted bute would get smashed by froch. if bute was as good as advertised, he would have made it to the super fight.

the fight did make sense, theres no doubt of that. but its hard to tell a fighter he doesnt have a right to be burned out. everyone ward fought in the s6 and even sakio bika were all top 10 smws. were him and his team wrong for wanting to take a break? absolutely not. hindsight is always 20/20/ not many thought froch would beat bute. but it happened. ward missed out on a lucrative fight, but it wasnt all his fault. bute has proven to be more hype than anything else, which is something ward didnt have control over. what he did have control over was when he made the fight, and he chose to let his hand heal and take a break. i dunno how anyone gets crap for that after fighting 5 top 10 fighters in a row. now if u wanna talk about what hes done since then, thats a different story. It was his fault. Or at least whoever advised him to reject that fight. No one else is to blame.