Do you think berto would have won if he's shoulder was alright

No, I don't think so.

started fighting better with 1 arm he was hurting Krass when he caught him so I doubt it

Berto's inability to take a punch. That's his problem.

No, JSK, a slow, very methodical WW was hitting him at will. Berto has no defense and seems almost confused on how to defend himself against certain punches. He's now a gatekeeper.

He was looking shaky from the beginning of the fight. Something seemed off about him and then the shoulder injury happened. I actually think he fought better after the injury because he was survival mode. Ironically, when he started feeling it again, that's when he was knock down. I think Berto is decent skill wise but mentally he's weak. He believes his own hype. That's usually disastrous when you you're flawed as a boxer.

short response: We'll never know He was getting tagged before the injury even happened. But maybe it would've effected him on the later rounds, just can't tell given that Karass may have also responded diffferently, and Berto was not hard to hit.

Absolutely not. He was getting destroyed and outclassed b4 the "injury" We agree on this, but I don't know why you put injury in quotation marks. It was clear from how little he was throwing his right and from his facial expressions that he'd hurt his shoulder. -David

Soto-Karass was landing well in the opening round, well before the injury happened. It's hard to say. Berto would've obviously fought differently had he not been hurt, but Soto-Karass also might've changed his approach. I don't think Berto should be banned from the major boxing networks now that he's lost once again. As I wrote in my column this week, he's been in some really fun fights. He'll probably be the B-side against whomever he faces next, but I'll tune in to see it. He's flawed, but he doesn't lack in heart. :beerchug::beerchug::beerchug:

Most of Berto's knockdown and KOes come from his right hand. I wouldn't go as far as saying that he would had won but he would had done much better

Absolutely not. He was getting destroyed and outclassed b4 the "injury"

Soto-Karass was landing well in the opening round, well before the injury happened. It's hard to say. Berto would've obviously fought differently had he not been hurt, but Soto-Karass also might've changed his approach. I don't think Berto should be banned from the major boxing networks now that he's lost once again. As I wrote in my column this week, he's been in some really fun fights. He'll probably be the B-side against whomever he faces next, but I'll tune in to see it. He's flawed, but he doesn't lack in heart.

He would have gotten knocked out sooner than the 12th round. His best defense was his shoulder going out on him.

If someone counters you with a hard right hand would you be more or less likely to throw at will. Berto's defense is poor but acting as though only having one good hand in a fight wouldn't result in a fighter getting punched more shows a lack of knowledge. ( What you're saying is also incorrect, it'd be easier for punches to go through your guard and harder to catch incoming punches). If I'm Soto Karass then I will throw at will even if I'm getting hit with a baseball bat because that's my style. I watched many fights where one guy had an injured shoulder and it didn't affect their defense if they could keep both hands up. Punches didn't go through Berto's guard, they landed flush on his chin without any obstacle. Not only does his defense usually suck but he's also shot because of all the punishment he's taken in his career.

No, but aperantly all he had to do was survive to get the decision. Either way Berto is never been that good. He was getting hit bad reguardless of his shoulder situation. the way the judges had it going, bad shoulder or not, as long as he stayed upright he would have won Exactly....not sure what people are talking about.

Berto almost won as it was.....had he finished the fight, he likely would have won anyways.

If someone counters you with a hard right hand would you be more or less likely to throw at will. Berto's defense is poor but acting as though only having one good hand in a fight wouldn't result in a fighter getting punched more shows a lack of knowledge. ( What you're saying is also incorrect, it'd be easier for punches to go through your guard and harder to catch incoming punches). Lol less likely to throw at all Do you know how Soto fights? Any time Berto landed on Karass, he immediately responded with punches.

Berto was never that good. All he ever had was good explosiveness and above average hand speed. His best win was against Luis Collazo and you can argue he didn't deserve the victory. His same flaws were evident from day one against below average fighters. No real boxing ability, a weak chin, soft defense. Good for him he made a **** ton of money based on hype alone.

If you can keep both hands up (as Berto could) it shouldn't affect your defense but Berto doesn't have any defense, that's the thing. If someone counters you with a hard right hand would you be more or less likely to throw at will. Berto's defense is poor but acting as though only having one good hand in a fight wouldn't result in a fighter getting punched more shows a lack of knowledge. ( What you're saying is also incorrect, it'd be easier for punches to go through your guard and harder to catch incoming punches).

No, but aperantly all he had to do was survive to get the decision. Either way Berto is never been that good. He was getting hit bad reguardless of his shoulder situation.

Your post implies that having a bad shoulder wouldn't result in a fighter getting hit more frequently. If you can keep both hands up (as Berto could) it shouldn't affect your defense but Berto doesn't have any defense, that's the thing.