Miguel Cotto's opponents

The consensus seems to be that Cotto's resume IS better than Castillo's and Corrales'. I've even read by a Mayweather fan that his résumé is underrated. Cotto is one of the best of his era and will get into the HOF, which he fully deserves. He'll also be remembered as one of the best the island has ever produced. THE KING :boxing:

We'll see, I don't know. I feel like any top JMW is a toss up against Cotto. I don't think he can beat Kirkland with Wolfe, Lara. It's a close toss up with Angulo. At this point I'm leaning on Canelo over Cotto. Regarding the Molina fight, I can see your breakdown happening. I just feel like Cotto's been in so many wars he's really shop worn. Pre-plasterman, I think a fresh Cotto beats Trout. I really do. Kirkland is too slow on his feet, same with Angulo, Lara can't fight on the inside, if Cotto can successfully neutralize Lara's straight left hand (And Angulo did have some success doing this) and get inside, it's a winnable fight. Lets remember that Cotto also took away Mayweather's straight right hand, which forced Mayweather to loop his right hand around the guard, or throw it over the top, if that counts for anything. Cotto may have lost to Trout but he's a better boxer than Trout, his in and out is better than Trout's, he commits to his offense, so he is capable of beating Canelo as well. His conditioning has to come with it though, but it's not like Canelo is known for his conditioning either. Again, 154 isn't filled with killers the way people like to think.

Cotto is great for the sport,,, Fights tough fights all the time,,, gomez and jennings were probably the only cherrypicks and cotto waxed them badly.... Always fought tough prime guys, alot of them undefeated like trout, pauli, torres,,, Of course cotto isnt an ATG but he is damn sure a hall of famer, one of the greats from the past 10 years,,, never reached the same level as jmm, manny, floyd,, but def higher than a guerrero, corrales, hatton, etc... cotto was pretty much an elite gatekeeper,,, you beat him and your probably the best in the division.....

Clottey had Cotto on the brink of repeating what Marg did, that's when I knew Cotto wasn't the same and lost a lot. Had Clottey had it in his mind that he was the superior fighter, Cotto was there for the taking. Pre-Margarito, I really don't give Clottey a chance, but hey.... Yes, I agree, Cotto of today can still beat a lot of people. Same as if Jordan came back today, I'm pretty sure he can earn a spot on an NBA team. But that's what great fighters are able to do. A lot of good fighters can't beat them on their worse day. That's how I felt about Cotto. Not so much now. I'm not sure he doesn't get stopped by Rodriguez to be honest with you. Cotto hasn't been the same for quite some time, imo. Rodriguez will definitely lose, I like Delvin as he's been through a lot of robberies and I'm just happy to see him get a good paycheck but Rodriguez can't deal with boxers. Cotto will outbox him quite easily, and offensively he'll do a lot more than Trout did. I just want to see Cotto fight Carlos Molina afterwards. Molina in my honest opinion is overrated, what he does in the ring wouldn't work against a physical guy who can fight on the inside, this is why Molina has had a lot of success in the ring, that coupled with the dirtiness but again that's the fight I really want to see at 154. If that's what it takes to prove Cotto has a lot left.

Marquez, Ortiz all came after the plaster incident in 08. Pre plasterman 2008, Cotto had the better JWW and WW resume. Unless someone can come up with a damn good argument, I really can't see why not. Cotto 140: Bazan Maussa Sosa - Floyd UD'd him. Cotto stopped him N'dou Pinto Bailey Corley - Floyd UD'd him. Cotto stopped him Paulie Torres Arabian cat; forgot his name. He beat Cotto in the Olympics Mayweather 140: Corely Bruseles Gatti Cotto 147 pre-plasterman: Bronco Judah Mosley Quintana Urkal Mayweather 147 pre-plasterman: Baldomir Judah Hatton At 147, Quintana's victory over Julio is just as good as Hatton's lone victory over Collazo. If you ask me who's the more proven WW between Quintana and Hatton and it's hands down Quintana without a doubt. From there you have Judah/Baldomir vs Urkal/Judah/Mosley/Bronco... Sorry, Carlos Baldomir doesn't outweigh Mosley/Bronco and Urkal. Hands down, pre plasterman, Cotto had the better JWW/WW resume's. I can't debate what's happened post 2008 cause Cotto's never been the same; which is rather odd cause Cotto's been Floyd's toughest fight yet. My fault, that one flew over me, in that sense I can agree. I don't agree with Cotto not being the same entirely. Of course much was left in the ring against Margarito but he has more than enough to still make a lot of noise at 154, or 147 if he's willing to put in the work. I remember seeing Margarito flashbacks between his lose to Margarito up until his rematch with him, and all that seemed to have gone away after he had won. When Trout stunned him with the uppercut he didn't fall apart mentally, same as when Mayweather hurt him.

FORTUNATELY NONE OF THE DELUSIONAL HATIN FUCIK HERE HAVE A SAY IN THE MATTER AS COTTO WILL TAKE HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THE HALL OF FAME. CHALK UP ANOTHER ONE FOR THE ISLAND! FRIKIN AWESOME!!! WAR COTTO!!! ATG!! ALL THE HATERS AND ENVYIOUS TROLLS CAN KEEP ON WITH THEIR NONSENSE...:boxing::boxing::boxing: no at the first statement and :lol1: @ the last

Now to Floyd's credit, I will say the MEDIA absolutely gave Floyd crap for not fighting Baldomir. And to be quite honest with you guys, pre-Floyd, Baldomir had a good story. He beat the crap out of Judah and Gatti in bouts he was the heavy underdog. He was a big welterweight that ballooned to almost 170 lbs on fight night. He had a come forward style and could crack. Floyd just made him look garbage. But at that time, the media and I agree that anyone else other than Floyd as his opponent in the WW division, he could've been on to something. I'll give Floyd that credit. That the media always hypes up guys, then when Floyd beats them, they downgrade the fighters. But, I say that to say this. Now that I really think about it, Floyd's work at 140/147 pre Cotto's plaster incident, I think Cotto was on his ass JWW/WW resume wise if not better. Cotto absolutely put in more work at that time then Mayweather did and to discredit that man like I've seen in this thread from TS while holding Floyd on a pedistil, is crap I don't think so personally, but Cotto's resume is underrated. Torres was a tough fighter as well it's too bad he got knocked out due to a headbutt, and since then I don't think he ever fought again. Malignaggi is another tough fighter as well, but he has the kind of deficiencies that will never allow him to get over the hump at the elite level, right shoulder problems, fragile hands, one handed, feather fisted. Quintana was good as well, but the beatings have made him frail, still a solid win considering Quintana went on to beat Williams. I had Cotto beating Clottey, while I think Clottey is a good fighter...he hasn't accomplished much. Then you have Cotto's best win which is Mosley. Is that much better than Marquez, Hatton, Guerrero, Ortiz, Mosley, Judah? I know Cotto beat Judah as well but Judah was coming off of a long layoff. Not so sure man.

What does that video have to do with boxing??? Why are you showing animal cruelity???? Why is that garbage shown here????? Ray Corso

I feel like the DeMarco win is just as good as Floyd's Manfreddy win. I remember watching Floyd-Manfreddy on ESPN or some schit Not so sure DeMarco would have beaten Gatti or given Johnston all he could handle.

Lost all credibility right there in the first paragraph. No need to read on. Sure looks like a Cotto hate thread, right. But maybe that wasn't the intention, maybe it was to boost Floyd

This is not a Cotto hate thread, I have no feelings about Cotto one way or the other. The only thing I've ever had to say about Cotto is he gets overrated by a lot of people, and in reality his resume isn't even as good as Jose Luis Castillo and it's about even to Diego Corrales. Seriously, just look at the wins. But Delvin Rodriguez is the typical Cotto opponent in my book, when he's not facing a Mayweather, Pacquiao, or Mosley in 07'. A guy who's a decent enough fighter, would beat some of the low level guys and a few mid level guys, but is nothing more than just "decent" at best. A guy who no one would consider a good win for someone like Mayweather, Pacquiao, or any other fighter who is hated by tons. He's similar to Cotto's fights against Carlos Maussa, Kelson Pinto, Randall Bailey, DeMarcus Corley, Ricardo Torres, Carlos Quintana, Oktay Urkal, Alfonso Gomez, Yuri Foreman, and now Delvin Rodriguez. I just feel like Cotto fights A TON of guys that are of that caliber, mid level guys. Aside from his win over Mosley, and if you count Judah as a good win, who has Cotto really fought and beat that weren't mid level fighters at best??? *Note: I completely approve Delvin as an opponent consider he's coming off back-to-back losses to Floyd and Trout, just something I was thinking about today. Lost all credibility right there in the first paragraph. No need to read on.

I would always watch Cotto fight. The guy is game. When everyone was collecting a paycheque against Pacquiao, he engaged. And bossed Floyd around a few times. Warrior! Nothing better you can say about a boxer. If Floyd & Pacquiao weren't around, he'd be a superstar.

I'll give you the Gatti fight at JWW. But, I remember there being several other fights for him at that weight before moving up. But yes, when I say elite for Mayweather, I'm saying in 04/05 he still had some proving to do in his current weight class even though he was ranked P4P #1. If I recall correctly, he beat that African cat, forgot his name, Gatti and I think Chop Chop. I'm pretty sure Kosta was considered the guy in the division before moving up. Sure, Floyd tried to get the Kosta fight, but he still had some proving to do at that weight class. The Gatti win was awesome though, don't get me wrong. I remember people knowing Floyd was gonna win, but they gave Gatti a punchers chance. But outside of Gatti, there were plenty of fights for Floyd at that weight, before he moved up to WW Yeah agreed. Despite being proven, he wasn't yet proven at WW. Kosta Tszyu was the Lineal Champion, that's the fight Mayweather wanted. When it couldn't come off, he fought Gatti instead he was ranked #1 (Behind the Lineal Champion). Jr WW was no more than a quick stop for Mayweather. His eyes were set on Oscar for many years in advance, that's the fight he wanted. The rest of his fights there, Ndou and Corley, I think Bruseless? Maybe Ndou was at 135, I'm not sure. But anyway, he had a few fights there that were more gimme fights, stay busy more than anything. Like I said, his eyes were set on getting Oscar down the road. He has no intention of staying at 140. He wanted Tszyu, couldn't get him, went for the next highest ranked. All in all though I do agree with you on the WW thing. The question marks were there and that was the main "fault" on Floyd. His legitimacy at WW. That would be the main line for a long list on here every single day. It didn't truely end until the Mosley fight in 2010.

Off memory, he wasn't an elite WW or JWW though. In 2004/2005 he was still "trying" to get names with Kosta and I'm pretty sure Shane at that time. Floyd was still climbing the latter in the current new weight divisions he was entering. There were countless fight there for him to fight. He still had A LOT of proving to do. Don't get me wrong, he had pretty good wins and if we're talking P4P status, sure many felt that he would win many fantasy matchups. But there was too much proving that he still had to accomplish at 140 and 147 to make him elite in those divisions Oh no, not an elite WW in 05 of course as he wasn't there yet. JWW for sure though after the Gatti win. He was considered to be amongst the "elite" Jr WW's. He certainly was considered an "elite" fighter though by then, I think in the early 00's, maybe 03 he was P4P Top 5 acorss the board and like I said, by 05 he was the universal #1. Agreed on the WW thing though. That was a big question mark for quite some time on Mayweather. "He's elite but not at WW" "He's unproven at WW" that was the consensus to most. He'd beaten good, top ranked fighters there like Judah, Baldomir, Hatton etc but there was still question marks, really, in all honesty it wasn't until the Mosley fight that really changed the tide, when that fight was signed the consenus were saying "Now, If he beats Mosley then when can say he's an elite proven WW" So I agree on the WW part. He was considered an "elite" fighter much before 07 but the question marks were still there in regards to WW.

FORTUNATELY NONE OF THE DELUSIONAL HATIN FUCIK HERE HAVE A SAY IN THE MATTER AS COTTO WILL TAKE HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THE HALL OF FAME. CHALK UP ANOTHER ONE FOR THE ISLAND! FRIKIN AWESOME!!! WAR COTTO!!! ATG!! ALL THE HATERS AND ENVYIOUS TROLLS CAN KEEP ON WITH THEIR NONSENSE...:boxing::boxing::boxing:

That's because his talent was there. Hell, we knew that since the Olympics. Fact is, he was still fighting guys like Sharmba Mitchell, Brueseles and Gatti. The talent has always been there. But Floyd was not considered an elite Welterweight until the DLH fight even though he beat him at JMW. That's what really made him mainstream and put him on the map. Tell me this, what WW's did Floyd beat to make him an elite WW from 2005-2007? I can't even say 08 cause he didn't fight. I'll wait. I'd love to hear all these elite level WW's he beat He wasn't a PPV star until after the Oscar fight but in terms of being considered "elite", I think, going off memory, that he was the universal P4P #1 in either 04 or 05. Latest 05, definitely by the time of the Gatti fight atleast.

Only reason anyone was picking Foreman was either A: They're delusional Cotto haters or B: They thought Cotto might not comeback a decent fighter after taking the Pacquiao beating. Man I said Quintana was an average win, it was. He was barely ranked at 147 at the time, simply because he beat a prospect in Julio at the time. Great win I guess. Like I said, when you have to start grasping for Quintana, Paulie, and Foreman as some of his Top 5 wins, you know a resume is weak given the hype Cotto got. That's fine, unless you're boosting Julio Diaz and Lazcano as better than average wins, as you did in this thread. That betrays an agenda, wonder what it is.

So when ever someone says this guys wins aren't really that great, it's boxrec. Good to know.

Because he was numbnuts. Do you really want me to chew through Castillo and Corrales' resume? Anyone can do that to anyone. I mean what you're doing here has boxrec written all over it. It really does If you count Castillo beating Mayweather, most felt he won the first fight, it's not even close. But I'll give Cotto having better wins than Corrales, though it's fairly close.

I'm not saying fight Williams in 12. I'm saying fight Williams instead of Hatton. Or maybe fight Williams instead of Marquez. Was Williams with Top Rank? Martinez was willing to drop to 154 to fight Floyd. But you're saying it's ok for Floyd to pull guys up from 135, but guys can't drop from 160 to 154 to fight him? You're clearly biased and all your post here aren't about Cotto, but actually comparing Cotto to Floyd when no one is even trying to compare the two. That's crap. You need to take your problems up with whoever you're talking about that had the double standards, specifically. I'm saying in general man. There's Cotto stans on here who call this guy a good win for him, but the same level guy a cherry pick for pacquiao or Mayweather. That's interesting. I hated the Marquez fight in 2009, I didn't even give Floyd the slightest amount of credit for that fight until Marquez went up and arguably beat Pacquiao twice at the weight. That was a "cherry pick", he should have fought Mosley in September 09', but he fought him right after when everyone wanted him to anyways.