Beef with Top Rank and Arum

No he earned 25 million for that fight and De La Hoya earned like 52 million, not sure about guarantees, but after that fight Floyd was earning more than 20 million in his next fights. Someone posted an article here, he took a much smaller guarantee. It paid off on the backend many times over, but 20m in guarantee is crazy going in. He'd never sold over 400k, and DLH was no longer at his selling peak. That normally doesn't add up to 1.5m, much less what they got. Hell Trinidad DLH didn't come close, and there you had 2 big attractions, both more selling power than Floyd demonstrated, both p4p (unlike DLH vs Floyd), both in their prime.

To answer the TS, I just hate Arum. No problem with TR from me. As for Floyd fighting Baldomir instead of Margarito, I don't get all the fuss. Baldomir was seen as the legit WW champion and he made the same amount of money. If Floyd wanted to be the legit champ at 147 why would he have fought Margarito? I totally agree with you,, I dont really ever give flack to floyd about fighting baldomir because he was the lineal champ,,, In this thread i was just playing some devil's advocate,,, But margs would have been more money,, same guarantee but ppv upside would have been much bigger for a margs fight,, floyd-baldomir did like 350k while i believe margs-floyd had the potential to do 400k-600k hence more ppv money in the long run

I hate that old fart..for coming up with this BS about RiGo not wanted on HBO,and the whole he's boring conspiracy ..

To answer the TS, I just hate Arum. No problem with TR from me. As for Floyd fighting Baldomir instead of Margarito, I don't get all the fuss. Baldomir was seen as the legit WW champion and he made the same amount of money. If Floyd wanted to be the legit champ at 147 why would he have fought Margarito?

Good post,,, Yes i see the similiarities,,, I just wonder why floyd refuses to work at all with TR when Arum even said there was no hard feelings and it was a business decision nothing personal.... But then why does floyd refuse to work with them at all??? Floyd a free agent and wont work with TR even though TR would have given him the biggest payday in the history of the sport,, etc... Thats what i dont understand about the whole floyd-TR beef... I understand that buying out his contract allowed Floyd to make big bucks with Oscar and propelled him to the top of the money, but then why doesnt he work with arum for the manny, or maybe a bradley fight etc.... He was willing to put that aside and work w/ them for the Manny fight, but was made to look like he was scared and being unreasonable by Arum for doing the exact same thing that they feel is just fine today. Later Arum created more propaganda w/ his countdown clock when Floyd taking time off. Creating the illusion that 1. Pac had accepted drug testing terms when it was later proven that he STILL hadn't 2. That somehow Mayweather was avoiding Pac, when Floyd was the one that was willing to compromise to make the fight, while Pac was unwilling.

He was originally signed to fight Judah. Judah lost his fight but he had already signed the fight. After the Judah fight Floyd left Arum as he would not guarantee him $20mil for the Oscar fight, it has nothing to do with Tony. Arum basically offered Floyd a Tony fight for $8mil and Floyd said he wanted Oscar for $20mil and Arum said no, that the fight is not worth $20mil, Mayweather disagreed and bought out his contract to chase the Oscar fight. After he split from Arum he could no longer make fights with TR as their relationship had soured. Him leaving TR had nothing to do with Tony. Him fighting Baldomir had nothing to do with Tony. Tony was just a proposed fight by Arum. Floyd thought he could make silly money fighting Oscar instead but TR wouldn't let him so he left. It is that simple. There is no running scared, there is no cowardice... just Floyd chasing Hoya in the same way everyone chases Floyd now or in the same way people chased Manny to the point where they left GBP and signed with TR to make the fight. Can you see the similarity? I can. Good post,,, Yes i see the similiarities,,, I just wonder why floyd refuses to work at all with TR when Arum even said there was no hard feelings and it was a business decision nothing personal.... But then why does floyd refuse to work with them at all??? Floyd a free agent and wont work with TR even though TR would have given him the biggest payday in the history of the sport,, etc... Thats what i dont understand about the whole floyd-TR beef... I understand that buying out his contract allowed Floyd to make big bucks with Oscar and propelled him to the top of the money, but then why doesnt he work with arum for the manny, or maybe a bradley fight etc....

You are completely missing the point, and totally wrong Yeah thats fine that he already signed to fight judah,,,, what about when floyd fought baldomir, arum was offering him 9 million which would have been a career high payday and instead floyd took the baldomir fight.... I wanna know why floyd refused to do business with Arum (some have already posted good info) and why did he retire twice????? He was originally signed to fight Judah. Judah lost his fight but he had already signed the fight. After the Judah fight Floyd left Arum as he would not guarantee him $20mil for the Oscar fight, it has nothing to do with Tony. Arum basically offered Floyd a Tony fight for $8mil and Floyd said he wanted Oscar for $20mil and Arum said no, that the fight is not worth $20mil, Mayweather disagreed and bought out his contract to chase the Oscar fight. After he split from Arum he could no longer make fights with TR as their relationship had soured. Him leaving TR had nothing to do with Tony. Him fighting Baldomir had nothing to do with Tony. Tony was just a proposed fight by Arum. Floyd thought he could make silly money fighting Oscar instead but TR wouldn't let him so he left. It is that simple. There is no running scared, there is no cowardice... just Floyd chasing Hoya in the same way everyone chases Floyd now or in the same way people chased Manny to the point where they left GBP and signed with TR to make the fight. Can you see the similarity? I can.

How much sense does it make to exaggerate facts in a thread where all the facts have been laid out? Really? It was a typo, sorry,, I meant 8 million,,,,

No you're wrong. Mayweather had already signed to fight Judah before he lost to Baldomir and in 2008 Floyd and TR had already parted ways and were no longer doing business together so regardless of whether Floyd was active or retired, those fights were untenable. You are completely missing the point, and totally wrong Yeah thats fine that he already signed to fight judah,,,, what about when floyd fought baldomir, arum was offering him 9 million which would have been a career high payday and instead floyd took the baldomir fight.... I wanna know why floyd refused to do business with Arum (some have already posted good info) and why did he retire twice?????

Mayweather & Arum have one thing in common. Neither wanted the Pacquiao matchup. I believe Arum orchestrated that Bradley loss to stop all talk about that matchup. Arum's a snake...just like all promoters.

LMAO @ people using biased hatred opinions to dispute facts! This chit is hilarious.

i have homeys that are casuals that dont return my calls/texts during fight week because they think im trying to sucker em into pitching in again lol, acquired taste I guess~

Floyd owes me about $400 for crap ppvs I think the opponents that gave up trying to win and stopped fighting owe you.

Floyd owes me about $400 for crap ppvs Boxaholic's Anonymous is looking for you. He hasn't had that many absolutely terrible fights though IMO, but there is the certain lack of drama by the end of a lot of them.

That case is still ongoing I believe so who knows~ I would say it probably gets very murky who exactly owes who what.

I forgot that Rahman_Maskaev was going on when all this happened wow that was a bad run for Arum~

It's amazing how floyd went from 8 million to 25 million after he left Arum. All it took was a record breaking PPV Nostradamus could not have foreseen. So what was the guarantee Floyd took for the DLH fight? Pretty sure it was way less than the 20m he asked from Arum

Be careful guiz, just because edgarg took a break doesn't mean he won't return to school you all over again.

It was an excellent post. But hey, it's easier to believe Floyd left Top Rank because he didn't want tougher fights.....I guess. when manny doesn't take a fight because he doesn't like the deal he gets praise. Floyd does the same and its seen differently by the same posters.

And just so we can clear your mind of all those nasty rumors and insert facts, I'll post this oldie but goodie one more time. Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito Pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. rejected promoter Bob Arum's $8 million offer to fight welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito, and he instead exercised a provision in his contract to buy Arum out and become a promotional free agent, Arum told ESPN.com on Monday. According to Arum, Mayweather turned down the career-best purse to meet Margarito on Aug. 12 on HBO Pay-Per-View, instead opting for free agency by buying Arum out of their deal for $750,000. "I did hear from him," Arum said of Mayweather. "He decided not to fight this summer. I made him a tremendous offer. I think Margarito is the riskiest fight for him of anyone out there." Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe told ESPN.com that Mayweather passed on the fight not because he is ducking Margarito, but because he couldn't be ready to fight by Aug. 12. Mayweather injured his right hand during a dominating April 8 victory against Zab Judah. "Floyd is not 100 percent healthy," Ellerbe said. "He has a bruised right hand. His hand is not broken. It's bruised, but it's a bad bruise. He wants to go into any fight 100 percent healthy. If Antonio Margarito happens to be the best available option when he is healthy, so be it. "We are not turning down Margarito. I want to make that crystal clear. When and if he is the best available option for Floyd's next fight, that's the direction he will move in." With Aug. 12 no longer set aside for a Mayweather fight, Arum said he will use the date to feature one of his other stars, heavyweight titlist Hasim Rahman, in a mandatory title defense against Oleg Maskaev on HBO PPV. That bout, a rematch of Maskaev's 1999 knockout victory, took on greater significance last weekend in the wake of Wladimir Klitschko's title-winning knockout of Chris Byrd in Germany. The reason: Among the four recognized heavyweight title holders, Klitschko became the third from a former Soviet republic to beat an American to win a belt, leaving Rahman as the lone American heavyweight champion and Maskaev poised to give Eastern Europe a sweep of the titles in boxing's marquee division. Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya. "We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga." Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view. The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract. Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million. Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in. "That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road." Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob." Arum agreed that the split with Mayweather was not on bad terms like their brief breakup last year. In fact, Arum said, "We intend to be back together. Everything with this was honorable and good. I had offered him numbers that were livable. His expectations are in the stratosphere. He was entitled to buy me out, and he did. We decided this was the best way to handle it. He is a free agent. We have agreed to work with each other ." The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result. Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya. "I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said. Instead, Arum is turning his attention to the Rahman-Maskaev fight. Arum said that he and Maskaev representative Dennis Rappaport are about $300,000 apart on making a deal. If they don't finalize terms, the WBC will hold a purse bid May 1 in Mexico City. But Arum is confident they will make the deal. "We're very close," he said. "It will take another day to work it out." Arum said he is already making arrangements to announce the fight at a news conference in New York on May 10. He added that the fight would take place at either Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., or at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas. Arum said Margarito could wind up on the Rahman-Maskaev card in the co-feature. "But it's tentative," Arum said. "If Mayweather decides to fight in September or October, and Margarito could still be a candidate, I want him to be flexible." Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com. *Also, Mayweather only would've got $7 million to fight Hatton and Cotto. After Mayweather became his own boss, he was paid $25 million for the Hatton fight and 32 million+ for the Cotto fight. Don't you hate how the facts can mess perfectly good rumors up? Great post and find. thank you!