WBO rules state be up at 8

I'm a year late on this. Just wanted to say that those WBO rules that you are stating were not applied correctly, to the letter, as many here have suggested that they weren't. The referee did not declare '10' before counting them out. And there is nothing explicit in those rules highlighted that says a fighter must be up at 8 - That is referring to a compulsary 8 count. I always thought that if there was a difference before sanctioning organisation regulations and commission regulations, the commission whose jurisdiction it is in has the responsibility for the regulations, regardless of whether there is a title at stake from the sanctioning body. The boxers are fighting under that license at that point in time. The difference is that: BBBoC Rule (3.32) - a boxer is deemed to be 'down' by one of four criteria; one of which is 'when the boxer is in the act of rising.' Therefore, the point at which the boxer has nothing on the canvas but his feet is not the point at which the boxer is no longer 'down', which is what the WBO rules imply. Also, BBBoC rules that '10' does not have to be verbally stated. The count is upto 10, so after '9' the next point is 'out'. It can be visually waved off at 10 or verbally indicated, but does not have to be explicitly indicated with a '10'. But this is just an aside - ten seconds is ten seconds, however it is communicated. The main point is that under BBBoC rules he was arguably still in the act of rising. Maybe to some he was stood up and ready, but I'm not sure whether he was or wasn't - he didn't start rising until '9' was called. It was a close call either way and anyone who says that they can "clearly" see it either way is slightly biased. It was very close, not clear. The referee had a tight call to make and Scott should not have put himself in that position. But, personally, if it was me I'd have given the benefit of the doubt and let him fight on. It was certainly harsh on Scott, and I always like fights to continue if the fighter has a chance and is not in danger. But some of the suggestions, like a fix are pretty ridiculous. I'm sure I read that someone thought that the referee was too quick to count to four - well, he never counted to four. He took over the count at '4' from the timekeeper, so the referee can't really be blamed for anything; He can be judged on his tight call, but at the end of the day he had a marginal decision to make that could have gone both ways.

I think I explained the rule correctly in my posts. Its not hard to understand for me. I said it was a little vague because there are things left out and people could interpret it incorrectly if they don't comprehend what they are reading. My posts below... The rule is a little vague. However, it does not say nor does it imply that the fighter should be up by 8. (c) If, when reaching the count of eight (8), the fighter is up This wording suggests that the fighter doesn't need to be up at 8. If the contestant taking the count is still down when the Referee calls the count of ten (10), the Referee shall wave both arms indicating that the contestant has been knocked out. The ref did not do this in the fight on Saturday. He waved the fight off after saying 9. Therefore, he did not follow the rules according to the WBO. Section (C) is addressing a mandatory 8 count. It is not stating that a fighter must be up by 8. If a fighter is up before 8, the referee must count up to 8 and then evaluate if the fighter is fit to continue. If the fighter isn't up by 8, the referee must continue to count until he reaches 10 and then he waves the fight off or the fighter rises off the canvas. If the fighter beats the count, the referee must then decide if he is fit to continue. This process did not happen correctly on Saturday. OK; you're winning me over. I can't argue with this.

The ref has the discretion to stop a fight if a guy is up at 1, 5, 8, 9, or if he hasn't been knocked down at all. Unless he's calling the 8-count, hence it has a separate provision in the rules. If the ref called the fight off instantly when Scott went down, he would more often than not be removed from the WBO. Scott should have gotten up at 8, so the ref would have had to check him outside the count, as per the 8-count

It's unclear - it talks about what the referee should do on count of 8 and count of 10. BUT it doesn't actually state how referee should react on count of 9.. it's like those rules were written to make sure there's going to be confusion if the fighter gets up between 9 and 10. Whats unclear about it? It clearly states he gives the fighter to the count of 10

No the ref can wave it off anytime he wants even during the count, it's done all the time. True, ref can make that judgement, and has the power to end the fight at any time.

It's unclear - it talks about what the referee should do on count of 8 and count of 10. BUT it doesn't actually state how referee should react on count of 9.. it's like those rules were written to make sure there's going to be confusion if the fighter gets up between 9 and 10.

No the ref can wave it off anytime he wants even during the count, it's done all the time. That's cool But Again Scott was officially counted out for the KO. In that case he must count to 10 and wave.

No the ref counted him out for a KO. Again making stuff doesn't make it true If you count someone out, you must count to 10. :dunce: No the ref can wave it off anytime he wants even during the count, it's done all the time.

The ref can wave the fight off anytime he wants if he thinks the fighter isn't in a condition/doesn't want to continue. That includes during a count, so no he doesn't have to say 10. Scott staying down until 9 made the ref think he didn't want to fight. No the ref counted him out for a KO. Again making stuff doesn't make it true If you count someone out, you must count to 10. :dunce:

No you said yourself in your own thread the ref can wave it off at anytime. How many do I have to explain the same thing before you stop acting ignorant? Should I bold it? Underline it? Write it in a different color? The ref can stop the fight whenever he wants if he thinks the fighter is unfit to go on. This ref did not wave it off, he counted Scott out and when you count a fighter out, you must count to ten and then wave. I've posted the rules to you, each time you choose to ignore them and makeup your own rules. Stop being a moron already you're wrong. I know it's hard to accept but you'll have to live with the fact that the ref fcuked up. I know you have to hug UK nuts to no end but rules state he must count to 10

wow, i'm a dumbass. when i read this thread title i was thinking that wbo rules stated that fighters have to be up at 8am on the day of the fight..lol. 3-day weekend and i been partying

No the ref count to 10 and then waves the fight off. I've posted the rule a millions times, he must count to 10 No you said yourself in your own thread the ref can wave it off at anytime.

The ref can wave the fight off anytime he wants if he thinks the fighter isn't in a condition/doesn't want to continue. That includes during a count, so no he doesn't have to say 10. Scott staying down until 9 made the ref think he didn't want to fight.

i don't know how you get this from the post i made. i know exactly what the procedure looks like when a fighter is dropped. scott waited until nine and some change to even get off his knees, not 7-8, which is the standard. the ref doesn't count to ten. he waves the fight off at ten. he didn't think he was up at 10 and waved it off. it's scott's job to make the call for the ref easy. it's in goddamn wembley. he's itching to count you out. getting up at 9.8 was unprofessional, and it cost him the fight. No the ref count to 10 and then waves the fight off. I've posted the rule a millions times, he must count to 10

Yes but the implication in those rules reads that if the fighter isnt up by 8, or the 8-count, then the referee has every right to stop the fight out of suspicion of the boxers state. It reads that the boxer should be up by 8, and anything after is then up to the referees discretion. It's one of the many technicalities you'll find in Governing body rules, they deliberately keep these grey areas to void liability The ref has the discretion to stop a fight if a guy is up at 1, 5, 8, 9, or if he hasn't been knocked down at all.

I think I explained the rule correctly in my posts. Its not hard to understand for me. I said it was a little vague because there are things left out and people could interpret it incorrectly if they don't comprehend what they are reading. My posts below... The rule is a little vague. However, it does not say nor does it imply that the fighter should be up by 8. (c) If, when reaching the count of eight (8), the fighter is up This wording suggests that the fighter doesn't need to be up at 8. If the contestant taking the count is still down when the Referee calls the count of ten (10), the Referee shall wave both arms indicating that the contestant has been knocked out. The ref did not do this in the fight on Saturday. He waved the fight off after saying 9. Therefore, he did not follow the rules according to the WBO. Section (C) is addressing a mandatory 8 count. It is not stating that a fighter must be up by 8. If a fighter is up before 8, the referee must count up to 8 and then evaluate if the fighter is fit to continue. If the fighter isn't up by 8, the referee must continue to count until he reaches 10 and then he waves the fight off or the fighter rises off the canvas. If the fighter beats the count, the referee must then decide if he is fit to continue. This process did not happen correctly on Saturday. Yes, your last paragraphs explains it perfectly

I disagree, most refs stop the count when the fighter gets back up. It takes a good couple of seconds to look at the eyes, hold the gloves, ask "are you ready" or "are you ok", then ask the fighter to walk to him. If refs did what you suggested then many fighters should have been counted out after taking the mandatory 8 count because it took more than 10 seconds to assess the fighter. i don't know how you get this from the post i made. i know exactly what the procedure looks like when a fighter is dropped. scott waited until nine and some change to even get off his knees, not 7-8, which is the standard. the ref doesn't count to ten. he waves the fight off at ten. he didn't think he was up at 10 and waved it off. it's scott's job to make the call for the ref easy. it's in goddamn wembley. he's itching to count you out. getting up at 9.8 was unprofessional, and it cost him the fight.

The rule is not vague at all. Its simply saying that if the fighter is up by 8, the ref could examine him all the time he wants. Its not vague but more so completely not needed I think I explained the rule correctly in my posts. Its not hard to understand for me. I said it was a little vague because there are things left out and people could interpret it incorrectly if they don't comprehend what they are reading. My posts below... The rule is a little vague. However, it does not say nor does it imply that the fighter should be up by 8. (c) If, when reaching the count of eight (8), the fighter is up This wording suggests that the fighter doesn't need to be up at 8. If the contestant taking the count is still down when the Referee calls the count of ten (10), the Referee shall wave both arms indicating that the contestant has been knocked out. The ref did not do this in the fight on Saturday. He waved the fight off after saying 9. Therefore, he did not follow the rules according to the WBO. Section (C) is addressing a mandatory 8 count. It is not stating that a fighter must be up by 8. If a fighter is up before 8, the referee must count up to 8 and then evaluate if the fighter is fit to continue. If the fighter isn't up by 8, the referee must continue to count until he reaches 10 and then he waves the fight off or the fighter rises off the canvas. If the fighter beats the count, the referee must then decide if he is fit to continue. This process did not happen correctly on Saturday.

this just in! in wbo fights you only get an 8 count to get up!

The rule is a little vague. However, it does not say nor does it imply that the fighter should be up by 8. (c) If, when reaching the count of eight (8), the fighter is up This wording suggests that the fighter doesn't need to be up at 8. If the contestant taking the count is still down when the Referee calls the count of ten (10), the Referee shall wave both arms indicating that the contestant has been knocked out. The ref did not do this in the fight on Saturday. He waved the fight off after saying 9. Therefore, he did not follow the rules according to the WBO. The rule is not vague at all. Its simply saying that if the fighter is up by 8, the ref could examine him all the time he wants. Its not vague but more so completely not needed