why is pacquaio fighting rios and not alvarado?

Dirk Diggler UK's point was correct about the cancelling of the Macau card being graver. Also, and I may be wrong on this, but I think that when they were originally setting up this fight that the date was to be in October rather than November. Even though I think Rios is made for Pacquiao, as is Alvarado, and I think Pacquiao will batter Rios to a stoppage I don't think it is by any stretch of the imagination an easy fight. For a start there is no way a fight against an opponent as good as Rios could ever be easy, especially with his style. Secondly we don't really know whether Pacquiao will be in the correct condition, of body and mind, to get the win. Far from being easy this is actually a pretty gutsy fight to take coming off a devastating knockout loss. He could have taken an easier tune up fight first against some mediocre fighter. I suppose though that Pacquiao needs the larger money that will be generated against Rios rather than against a lesser opponent. I don't think fighting Rios rather than Alvarado is particularly odd. Completely agree with this

that said if the injury was the real concern, its still a concern 5 weeks before Dirk Diggler UK's point was correct about the cancelling of the Macau card being graver. Also, and I may be wrong on this, but I think that when they were originally setting up this fight that the date was to be in October rather than November. We get it. Bob wants an easy fight for manny where he gets a huge KO Even though I think Rios is made for Pacquiao, as is Alvarado, and I think Pacquiao will batter Rios to a stoppage I don't think it is by any stretch of the imagination an easy fight. For a start there is no way a fight against an opponent as good as Rios could ever be easy, especially with his style. Secondly we don't really know whether Pacquiao will be in the correct condition, of body and mind, to get the win. Far from being easy this is actually a pretty gutsy fight to take coming off a devastating knockout loss. He could have taken an easier tune up fight first against some mediocre fighter. I suppose though that Pacquiao needs the larger money that will be generated against Rios rather than against a lesser opponent. I don't think fighting Rios rather than Alvarado is particularly odd.

The surest way to see if Rios is all Hype is to put him in front of MaRQUEZ. If Marquez had trouble with pillow puncher Diaz how much more could a Rios possibly do. You could put Rios with Provodnikov and Bradley you still wouldn't know who would win. Cross over to Golden Boy, Guerrero and Rios would be a gore fest. Ortiz-Rios would be a mismatch. Khan Rios would be a laugh fest. One defeat and people say Rios is all hype. Agreed, happening with a lot of fighters- Styles make fights and lately it seems like because one fighter had a bad outing or isn't as technically skilled as another boxer- they're counted out right away and labeled as a bum. Lot of fans discredit the come forward "mexican" warrior style of fighting as no skills when it's as legitimate of a style as sticking and moving. It's part of the game, a lot of boxers wouldn't be able to put pressure on fighters like Rios does as well as take the punches he takes without going down. Takes a lot of heart and will, and that alone can make a fight competitive. If Pac is fine after that KO with his usual conditioning, he should make short work of Rios- like Pac-Margartio. That's a big IF we don't know tho-

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Sorry, not buying into the Rios hype lol. Stop trying to make Rios out better than he is, dude is D Class at best. But to be fair to Pacquiao, it was always Bob Arum's plans to put him in the ring with Rios rather he or Rios lost or not. The surest way to see if Rios is all Hype is to put him in front of MaRQUEZ. If Marquez had trouble with pillow puncher Diaz how much more could a Rios possibly do. You could put Rios with Provodnikov and Bradley you still wouldn't know who would win. Cross over to Golden Boy, Guerrero and Rios would be a gore fest. Ortiz-Rios would be a mismatch. Khan Rios would be a laugh fest. One defeat and people say Rios is all hype.

I respectfully disagree with bhop on this one. Respectfully, offering JMM an amount lower than what you know he wants wasn't going to get the fight signed. I disagree. Rios TKO was impressive, Thats why Bob mde the rematch-it was assumed Rios would win again in same thrilling fashion. But Mike made adjustments and won-and it wasn't questionable it was clear and because it was unexpected it made it at least as impressive as the tko. why do you describe movement as running? when an opponent is losing a fight, he is supposed to adjust his style and uses every legal tool at his disposal to win. he's not supposed to stand there and get hit and lose because it makes you as a fan feel better. Agree. Rios,if he acts like we are used to, will make the 24/7 must see. But almost all of manny's fans have posted how they detest this form of marketing and promotion when its employed by a floyd or broner. Mike is quiet, fights hard, is respectful, and won his last fight. These are all qualities pac fans cite in Manny that they love. SO it would make sense Mike would get a fight with the bigger payday because he pulled the huge upset. This is a repetitive pattern for Manny. Just like Morales/Raheem Manny is going to fight the loser and not the winner. Business wise I understand the move. But I think you can admit it looks funny. Agree with most of your points, sad thing is boxing has become more a business than a sport especially when dealing with millions of dollars in PPV. It doesn't look funny to me cause I understand how the decisions are being made- the 3rd fight with Morales would easily draw out the most amount of views, same reason the 4th fight with Marquez was made. Money aside, IF it was up to Pac he would've wanted the 5th fight with Marquez. And I used running for lack of better term, let me change it to back pedaling or fighting on the back foot. Like you said it could be the case where the fight isn't as exciting because if Alvarado gets tagged cleanly, it could turn into Pac vs Shane or Pac vs. Cotto in the later rounds, I still believe he'd get the TKO- but there won't be as much fireworks than Rios. It would be nice for Alvarado to get a big paycheck fight like Pac, he does seem like a respectable guy but honestly neither him or Rios deserve a fight of this caliber- just like I didn't think Guerrero deserved a Mayweather fight. At least us fans hopefully get Provodnikov vs Alvarado and Alvarado vs Rios 3 in the future- that'll get his name out there. Anyway, this IS a tune-up fight to bring Pac back up but I do believe after getting KTFO it's a much tougher type of tune-up than most fighters would take after such a loss. Like Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get hit. I'm interested to see how Pac will react once that happens.

well i guess its clear that you dont know shlt and only can fabricate false info. or its clear that by making the fight bob, his matchmakers, and manny all realize an easy win for manny in the 1st china card is a must in his return fight and their selection of opponent illustrates that. you asked for a link and I gave you one. how about a thank you.

Like i said i like the fight but for a PPV i would much rather not have to explain how we are paying for 2 fighters that are coming off loses. The a-side brutally KO'd and the b-side actually losing 2 of his last 3 with one of those fight being one of the biggest robberies in recent memory. Another robbery involved the A-side. TR sucks now Yeah not excited at all to be paying for this fight at all

You got actual fighters like B-Hop saying it's a tough fight and that Pac is brave to take it, yet he must be wrong cause he's a fan.. Again most fighters wouldn't fight a Rios OR an Alvarado after getting KTFO like Pac did. They would go for a softer touch to ease back into it. We don't know how Pac's chin is nor how he will react to getting tagged with a heavy punch. Despite this, even before the Rios fight was signed, Pac wanted to go for an immediate 5th fight with Marquez in April, yet you think he's taking the easy way out fighting Alvarado over Rios. Rio's TKO over Alvardo was much more impressive than Alvardo's UD- you even watch the fights? You're acting like Rios got dominated when he put Alvardo in a tough fight. I see Pac vs Alvarado playing out like Pac vs Cotto and Pac vs Rios playing out like Pac vs Margarito- Alvarado would get tagged and start running like Cotto while Rios despite getting tagged would still come forward and bring the fight to you like Marg. Neither fighter is as good as Cotto or Margarito, and it'll end the same way with a KO/TKO if Pac is even a shell of his former self in the ring. Marketing wise, Rios is an easier sell especially through the 24/7 series hyping the fight- made fun of roach's parkinsons, personality easier to hate on TV, **** talks, etc. I respectfully disagree with bhop on this one. Respectfully, offering JMM an amount lower than what you know he wants wasn't going to get the fight signed. I disagree. Rios TKO was impressive, Thats why Bob mde the rematch-it was assumed Rios would win again in same thrilling fashion. But Mike made adjustments and won-and it wasn't questionable it was clear and because it was unexpected it made it at least as impressive as the tko. why do you describe movement as running? when an opponent is losing a fight, he is supposed to adjust his style and uses every legal tool at his disposal to win. he's not supposed to stand there and get hit and lose because it makes you as a fan feel better. Agree. Rios,if he acts like we are used to, will make the 24/7 must see. But almost all of manny's fans have posted how they detest this form of marketing and promotion when its employed by a floyd or broner. Mike is quiet, fights hard, is respectful, and won his last fight. These are all qualities pac fans cite in Manny that they love. SO it would make sense Mike would get a fight with the bigger payday because he pulled the huge upset. This is a repetitive pattern for Manny. Just like Morales/Raheem Manny is going to fight the loser and not the winner. Business wise I understand the move. But I think you can admit it looks funny.

Of course I didn't paint Mike like that nor did I say he'd beat Pac. I truthfully pointed out mike can box-you took it to the extreme to argue it. Stop acting like I said or implied he was floyd/ward/rigo. As for my agenda, it's simple: Relative to manny its Fight the guy that just beat the guy your signed to fight. relative to his fans its-stop pretending rios is a tough fight. admit he got the fight because he his style makes it more likely manny will not just win, but look impressive. You got actual fighters like B-Hop saying it's a tough fight and that Pac is brave to take it, yet he must be wrong cause he's a fan.. Again most fighters wouldn't fight a Rios OR an Alvarado after getting KTFO like Pac did. They would go for a softer touch to ease back into it. We don't know how Pac's chin is nor how he will react to getting tagged with a heavy punch. Despite this, even before the Rios fight was signed, Pac wanted to go for an immediate 5th fight with Marquez in April, yet you think he's taking the easy way out fighting Alvarado over Rios. Rio's TKO over Alvardo was much more impressive than Alvardo's UD- you even watch the fights? You're acting like Rios got dominated when he put Alvardo in a tough fight. I see Pac vs Alvarado playing out like Pac vs Cotto and Pac vs Rios playing out like Pac vs Margarito- Alvarado would get tagged and start running like Cotto while Rios despite getting tagged would still come forward and bring the fight to you like Marg. Neither fighter is as good as Cotto or Margarito, and it'll end the same way with a KO/TKO if Pac is even a shell of his former self in the ring. Marketing wise, Rios is an easier sell especially through the 24/7 series hyping the fight- made fun of roach's parkinsons, personality easier to hate on TV, **** talks, etc.

did you miss the part where marquez knocked him unconscious? perhaps it was so traumatic that your brain blocked it from memory. just like manny, you don't remember the knockout. "buboy, where are you?"

considering pacquiao is not ruined, alvarado would get his sht pushed in worse than rios(weaker fighter, less power, worst chin) and the fight wouldn't be boring because alvarado isn't as big a stinker as mosley or bradley, it'd at worse be like pacquiao vs the retreating marquez in the 4th fight, minus any kd(s)/ko against pacquiao where one guy will be retreating, but throwing alot and with ample exchanges, it would be far from boring him and rios are worth the same

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Youd have to be a complete fuking moron to think Rios is an easy fight for Pacquiao. Or any fighter for that matter. http://25.media.tumblr.com/3e164d0de341d49aeb9e2251379e34a7/tumblr_mjx1x1Ar0m1qjpqono1_500.gif I guess Bob, HBO, his matchmakers, and some of us are all fuking morons then.

The Macau card was announced weeks ago, they needed a reliable opponent. Having to cancel the Macau fight would be a lot worse than cancelling a fight in Alvarado's hometown. agree with you here. that said if the injury was the real concern, its still a concern 5 weeks before, especially when Mike is headlining.

Alvardo would fight Pacquiao the same way he won against Rios. Pacquiao would have to run him down the same way he ran down Bradley. That was a boring fight. Do I want to see something like that again? If YOU do, hey, send a note to Arum. Pacquaio would look impressive and win against Alvarado too. Alvarado was getting his face smashed up by Prescott . Dirk: See what I'm getting at. You are not a diehard manny fan so you would be impressed with a win over Mike, regardless of how it was achieved. IMO most of manny's fans only want to see fights where manny gets an KO. Its about HOW he wins not if. I agree with you dirk but it seems clear that Bob agrees with JoeKIdd

yet he could be the main eventer on a televised card 5 weeks earlier in his hometown which, should he get hurt in training, would surely mean the card would be cancelled. I get your point but you gotta admit its a little wierd. The Macau card was announced weeks ago, they needed a reliable opponent. Having to cancel the Macau fight would be a lot worse than cancelling a fight in Alvarado's hometown.

Alvarado apparently had an injury and couldn't be 100% reliable to fight on the Macau card. Alvarado and Rios traded wins so I don't really see the big deal. yet he could be the main eventer on a televised card 5 weeks earlier in his hometown which, should he get hurt in training, would surely mean the card would be cancelled. I get your point but you gotta admit its a little wierd.

Of course I didn't paint Mike like that nor did I say he'd beat Pac. I truthfully pointed out mike can box-you took it to the extreme to argue it. Stop acting like I said or implied he was floyd/ward/rigo. As for my agenda, it's simple: Relative to manny its Fight the guy that just beat the guy your signed to fight. relative to his fans its-stop pretending rios is a tough fight. admit he got the fight because he his style makes it more likely manny will not just win, but look impressive. Pacquaio would look impressive and win against Alvarado too. Alvarado was getting his face smashed up by Prescott .

Rios is the more marketable fight and yes his style suits Pacquaio. But stop trying to paint Mike Alvarado as some slick mover just because he boxed a little against Rios. It's fuking laughable but I know what your agenda is. Of course I didn't paint Mike like that nor did I say he'd beat Pac. I truthfully pointed out mike can box-you took it to the extreme to argue it. Stop acting like I said or implied he was floyd/ward/rigo. As for my agenda, it's simple: Relative to manny its Fight the guy that just beat the guy your signed to fight. relative to his fans its-stop pretending rios is a tough fight. admit he got the fight because he his style makes it more likely manny will not just win, but look impressive.