When was the last time Mayweather faced a legitimate Threat?

Wait. So your whole argument is "Freddie Roach said so." Oh. I'm sorry. I was calling the wrong guy an idiot. :rolleyes: You clearly don't get it. (POST) I personally do not rate Pacquiao beating De La Hoya as any sort of accomplishment under the circumstances this was accomplished. (PRE) That does not mean Pacquiao was not assuming tremendous risk in fighting the considerably larger future HOFer De La Hoya in the first place. Dude. What Freddie Roach took was a "calculated risk." What Pacquiao faced was a "legitimate threat." You telling me stories about what happened behind the scenes and after the fight means dick. Guess what. There is always a behind the scenes and after the fight. Exactly! And usually in Mayweather's case. As I said, BEFORE the Mosley fight was accepted, many fans said Mayweather was scared to take that fight. Do we have to go trawling through the threads to find the many that said Mayweather would duck the fight? Are you going to deny they were made? We both know they were. If Mosley was no threat, why would Mayweather be scared? Why were so many sure he'd duck the fight? Then AFTER the fight, the opinion changed. Like you said, "there's always an AFTER the fight" so thanks for making my point for me. Now, to make the Pacquiao/De La Hoya situation more clear. That was more of a "perceived" threat and preception is not always the same as reality, is it? George Foreman was wrecking the likes of Frazier and Norton before fighting Ali. Who was De La Hoya wrecking before Pacquiao? Stevie Forbes? Nope. The difference between Pacquiao that night and when he faced Marquez for the second time was a mere three pounds in the ring (North), and he didn't have to boil down to lower weight before. So yes, the "perception" of a major threat was there, but due to Oscar making- and fighting at a weight he hadn't in seven years, the threat wasn't legitimate, just perceived. That is why I don't put that in the same category of Ali/Foreman. If De La Hoya went on to wreck another good fighter, then yep, sure it was. But everything points in the opposite direction. "Legitimate" threats are all to do with levels of the subject fighter. If there are hardly any at your level, it's hard to face many legitimate threats. Again, I wanted to see Mayweather face Pacquiao and Margarito. but scincerely doubt he'd have started as the underdog against either of them. So your definition of of such a threat wouldn't have been met even if he had faced them. Keep trying though, I'm enjoying this.

Wow this thread really has people up in arms :rofl: Great thread TS.

Love the guys who say Floyd is overrated then say that world champion boxers are easy fights Floyd has fought better opposition at 147 than Pacquiao Yet ye hail Pacquiao as the second coming Floyd will be heavily favoured against any fighter around is weight Thats because everyone knows mayweather is the guy who dodged the fight while Pacquio is a known warrior. Mayweathers problem is who he didn't fight not who he did. Mayweather was more interested in taking vacations and boning leonard ellerbe in his prime then he was about taking the hardest fights to prove hes the best.

Nothing about what I've posted warrants that label and I don't need to resort to schoolyard behaviour to make my point. It doesn't make me a genius, but it makes me more grown up than you. The difference between Pacquiao's situation and the others you named is because the situation might have been hyped up, but it really was a sham and Roach told everyone so. Pacquiao may have been a featherweight, but if you took the time to analyze the situation, look beneath the surface, you'd have known that Pacquiao was going to enter the ring at the 145lbs mark, like he had against Marquez in fight two. Oscar had stated he was not only making 147lbs, but fighting at 147lbs. It was there if you cared to see it. Pacquiao was a lightweight fighting at welterweight for the first time against someone who just couldn't function anymore (Roach's assertion PER-FIGHT not mine). It was a fantastic sell and everyone ate it up. Had Oscar performed against Mayweather and Stevie Forbes like a George Foreman on the rampage? I'll try again seeing as you either can't answer to or choose to be blissfully ignorant. How do you define "legitimate" threat? Also, I'd say that Margarito and Pacquiao are the two fights that Mayweather should have taken but didn't to date. Would he have been serious, long odds underdog against either? Who would've he have been one against? Wait. So your whole argument is "Freddie Roach said so." Oh. I'm sorry. I was calling the wrong guy an idiot. :rolleyes: You clearly don't get it. (POST) I personally do not rate Pacquiao beating De La Hoya as any sort of accomplishment under the circumstances this was accomplished. (PRE) That does not mean Pacquiao was not assuming tremendous risk in fighting the considerably larger future HOFer De La Hoya in the first place. Dude. What Freddie Roach took was a "calculated risk." What Pacquiao faced was a "legitimate threat." You telling me stories about what happened behind the scenes and after the fight means dick. Guess what. There is always a behind the scenes and after the fight.

It all ends Sept 14th :popcorn:

Love the guys who say Floyd is overrated then say that world champion boxers are easy fights Floyd has fought better opposition at 147 than Pacquiao Yet ye hail Pacquiao as the second coming Floyd will be heavily favoured against any fighter around is weight

Hindsight is 20-20. Th last "threat" (he vast majority thinking he was ducking or would never fight) was Mosley by if course after the fight its considered not a threat. What are the chancs the same happens with Canelo? High. Very high. It's funny, people say Mayweather hasn't fought anyone but can anyone name someone who's beaten more Top 5 ranked opponents that he has? It's very seldom, if any. Good point. Not Pacquaio and definitely not Alvarez. However, this is the only response you will get because the haters don't want to look like idiots.

When he was sharing a jail cell with Big Bubba... How do you know that? Is Bubba your boyfriend?

I disagree with giving floyd credit fighting canelo. I admire canelo fighting floyd though. Back to your question. The last time floyd fought a legitimate threat...was ages ago, when he was still 130-135. Jose luis castillo. JLC beat him too the first time they fought. In your mind and the mind of all the haters on this site, the first fight with Castillo is the only legitimate threat that Mayweather has faced because that is his only disputed victory. I couldn't help noticing that you had nothing to say about the rematch.

First I want to say Mayweather picking Canelo was very shocking news. I was doubting the fight ever happening. Though, I don't agree with the 152lb catch-weight, I give Mayweather full credit for taking on our future of boxing, Canelo. Honestly when was the last time Mayweather faced legitimate opposition? It definitely was not overweight Hatton/JMM, shot Mosley, nor was it dancing with the stars Ortiz. Oh you say Cotto? ..oh you say he fought the best version of him at 154lb? No.. there's a reason why Mayweather had no problem jumping to fight Cotto at 154lb, he was "not" a threat and had 2 critical losses on his record. .. But Imatroll, he fought the Ghost and dominated him for 12 rounds. Negative, that fight should've never happened. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the boxing world (beside his dad) knew Floyd was going to run through this C- level fighter. Canelo. Canelo. Canelo. Asking for the catchweight already exposed Floyd is concerned after just chanting and preaching about how he wants his opponents to be at a comfortable weight. It doesn't matter, Canelo will come in ready and in shape, I'm not worried. I can proudly say Canelo is the first legitimate threat Floyd has faced in years. The guy is accurate, has power, and paces himself well. He can box well and pressure if needed. I don't believe his staminia will be an issue because Floyd's work rate is nonexistent. I'm confident Canelo will make training to cut the ring off his priority in camp because this will be the key to victory. Cotto did this well and hopefully Canelo takes lessons from this. The only strategy Floyd has is getting on his bicycle and pot shotting all night. Floyd's in for a big surprise. Canelo will effectively cut the ring off and negate the tactic. I'm 100% sure Floyd is going to get handed his first loss. Floyd will get walked down and punished. Canelo will win by Mid-late TKO. I've never been this sure and I will bump this ***** after fight night. For all the nut huggers of Floyd saying put your money where your mouth is, I sure am. Will be betting $2000 on Canelo. woooo! Every time you post on this site, you demonstrate your lack of knowledge and stupidity. I won't respond to everything you said. However, I will say that every opponent Mayweather has faced since moving up to welterweight has been a legitimate threat -- just not a threat to Mayweather. Guerrerro would either beat or be competitive with every fighter fighting from 140-147. If Alvarez was still fighting at 147, Guerrerro would beat him. Hatton, Mosley, Ortiz, De La Hoya, Baldomir and Cotto were all world champions at the time Mayweather fought them. They obviously were able to beat someone in order to win that world championship and were legitimate threats to anyone other than Mayweather. Marquez has been a world champion at several weight divisions and knocked your god out cold in his last fight. He is a legitimate threat to anyone from 135 to 147 other than Mayweather. You claim that all of Mayweather's recent opponents were overweight or shot or not in Mayweather's league and therefore, they weren't a legitimate threat. If that is the case, what do you call guy who has had 42 fights and only fought one quality opponent? Alvarez is not a threat to Mayweather!!! He can come in the ring weighing 180 pounds and Mayweather will defeat Alvarez easier than he beat Guerrerro and Cotto. Then, like the troll that you are, you will come on this site claiming that Alvarez wasn't a legitimate threat.

Yeah, you're clearly a genius. :rolleyes: The reason, Einstein, was because Manny Pacquiao was basically a FEATHERWEIGHT moving up to Welterweight when he faced De La Hoya. Need I explain Floyd's situation?? I wasn't calling you an "idiot" for no reason, son. You're an idiot. Don't you worry about "name calling." Nothing about what I've posted warrants that label and I don't need to resort to schoolyard behaviour to make my point. It doesn't make me a genius, but it makes me more grown up than you. The difference between Pacquiao's situation and the others you named is because the situation might have been hyped up, but it really was a sham and Roach told everyone so. Pacquiao may have been a featherweight, but if you took the time to analyze the situation, look beneath the surface, you'd have known that Pacquiao was going to enter the ring at the 145lbs mark, like he had against Marquez in fight two. Oscar had stated he was not only making 147lbs, but fighting at 147lbs. It was there if you cared to see it. Pacquiao was a lightweight fighting at welterweight for the first time against someone who just couldn't function anymore (Roach's assertion PER-FIGHT not mine). It was a fantastic sell and everyone ate it up. Had Oscar performed against Mayweather and Stevie Forbes like a George Foreman on the rampage? I'll try again seeing as you either can't answer to or choose to be blissfully ignorant. How do you define "legitimate" threat? Also, I'd say that Margarito and Pacquiao are the two fights that Mayweather should have taken but didn't to date. Would he have been serious, long odds underdog against either? Who would've he have been one against?

Ahhh, name calling. The sure sign of a lack of intelligence and skill in debate. I already pointed out that De La Hoya was the favourite on paper, but at the same time, the man in the know, Freddie Roach, knew exactly what he was doing. He told all of us, for pete's sake! Let me ask you this, why would he let Pacquiao fight De La Hoya at 147lbs and not Mosley? He knew which fighter his man could beat and was very candid about it. The point I'm making is what fans sometimes think about a fight is superficial. And it definitely was in this case. Also, why didn't people think Oscar was as much a threat to Mayweather, even though he faced De La Hoya under more difficult circumstances? You said it yourself, no one thought Mayweather was "gonna get killed". Is that because he's just too good? Try not to get so upset this time and answer the questions like a grown up. Yeah, you're clearly a genius. :rolleyes: The reason, Einstein, was because Manny Pacquiao was basically a FEATHERWEIGHT moving up to Welterweight when he faced De La Hoya. Need I explain Floyd's situation?? I wasn't calling you an "idiot" for no reason, son. You're an idiot. Don't you worry about "name calling."

What are you stupid?? :lol1: Do you really think you can convince me purely based on REVISIONIST bullsh*t that De La Hoya was never any threat to Pacquiao?? He was, tool bag. Until the fight took place. Everybody was saying Manny was going to get destroyed. LOOK AT MY POST AGAIN, IDIOT. Never mind what happened after the fact. Moron. Ahhh, name calling. The sure sign of a lack of intelligence and skill in debate. I already pointed out that De La Hoya was the favourite on paper, but at the same time, the man in the know, Freddie Roach, knew exactly what he was doing. He told all of us, for pete's sake! Let me ask you this, why would he let Pacquiao fight De La Hoya at 147lbs and not Mosley? He knew which fighter his man could beat and was very candid about it. The point I'm making is what fans sometimes think about a fight is superficial. And it definitely was in this case. Also, why didn't people think Oscar was as much a threat to Mayweather, even though he faced De La Hoya under more difficult circumstances? You said it yourself, no one thought Mayweather was "gonna get killed". Is that because he's just too good? Try not to get so upset this time and answer the questions like a grown up.

Floyd is SOOOO HYPED, Top 50 ATG easy money No pun intended but God damn its like he fell from heaven itself. Every fantasy fight floyd wins yet tbh his resume is based on ducking alot of fighters. Floyd fans really need a reality check.

So, Mayweather faces De La Hoya at a weight Pacquiao would not dare fight (not even against Cotto, who he already destroyed), and gets no credit for it. Pacquiao faces an older De La Hoya, at a weight De La Hoya hadn't made for over seven years (which he actually fought at as well, yep 147lbs on the button) and you're going to list that amongst the fights you did? A "legitimate" threat would've been facing Shane Mosley under the same circumstances, but you remember Freddie Roach's rationale for that not happening, don't you? Three words: "he's too good". De La Hoya was an overwhelming favourite on paper, but the risk was very, very calculated. Roach knew what he was doing and even told everyone as much. "Oscar can't pull the trigger anymore" and definitely not at a depleted 147lbs on fight night. Even though your answer is a little ignorant, I can only assume you think that way because Mayweather is just much better than anyone else around so no one is a threat to him, unless he starts fighting middleweights. If you don't mean that, then you're dumping on a lot of very good and excellent fighters that Mayweather's beaten. Basically, you are in a inadvertent way, saying Mayweather is just too good for everyone. Is that what you think? What are you stupid?? :lol1: Do you really think you can convince me purely based on REVISIONIST bullsh*t that De La Hoya was never any threat to Pacquiao?? He was, tool bag. Until the fight took place. Everybody was saying Manny was going to get destroyed. LOOK AT MY POST AGAIN, IDIOT. Never mind what happened after the fact. Moron.

Josie Harris https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTfpZJVEY5L1sXUTg4f-BCHrp3Wu8byTHrnV0of-AVhzKkaIOLSOQ And here was me thinking you were going to say Robert Guerrero. I mean you did say Mayweather would duck him didn't you? Why was that again? Paste your pre-negotiation post for everyone to remind us why you said Robert Guerrero was a "legitimate" threat that Mayweather would duck.

The answer is never. I'm not interested in splitting hairs. In terms of Floyd being the overwhelming underdog and everybody in the streets talking about how he's "probably going to get killed" and all that sort of business it's never happened. Floyd has never faced an opponent of that level of threat to him. Not the way Bernard Hopkins has on countless occasions, not the way Muhammad Ali did when he faced George Foreman, Pacquiao when he faced De La Hoya, Duran when he faced Barkley, ect, ect, ect. So, Mayweather faces De La Hoya at a weight Pacquiao would not dare fight (not even against Cotto, who he already destroyed), and gets no credit for it. Pacquiao faces an older De La Hoya, at a weight De La Hoya hadn't made for over seven years (which he actually fought at as well, yep 147lbs on the button) and you're going to list that amongst the fights you did? A "legitimate" threat would've been facing Shane Mosley under the same circumstances, but you remember Freddie Roach's rationale for that not happening, don't you? Three words: "he's too good". De La Hoya was an overwhelming favourite on paper, but the risk was very, very calculated. Roach knew what he was doing and even told everyone as much. "Oscar can't pull the trigger anymore" and definitely not at a depleted 147lbs on fight night. Even though your answer is a little ignorant, I can only assume you think that way because Mayweather is just much better than anyone else around so no one is a threat to him, unless he starts fighting middleweights. If you don't mean that, then you're dumping on a lot of very good and excellent fighters that Mayweather's beaten. Basically, you are in a inadvertent way, saying Mayweather is just too good for everyone. Is that what you think?

The answer is never. I'm not interested in splitting hairs. In terms of Floyd being the overwhelming underdog and everybody in the streets talking about how he's "probably going to get killed" and all that sort of business it's never happened. Floyd has never faced an opponent of that level of threat to him. Not the way Bernard Hopkins has on countless occasions, not the way Muhammad Ali did when he faced George Foreman, Pacquiao when he faced De La Hoya, Duran when he faced Barkley, ect, ect, ect.

First, define "legitimate threat". Also, I have a question. If Shane Mosley was not a threat, why did so many people accuse Mayweather of being afraid of him before the fight was signed?

When was the last time he DIDN'T face a legitimate threat? lol Some of these clowns are so damn butt hurt. I thought most of these cowards had been banned? The pac train crashed. WTF are these f*cktards still doing here? If you mean by legitimate threat, the fighter "must go thru Berto" then that did happen ..... but for the rest of us we need more than that! ;)