Should boxers who fail to make weight in title bouts be suspended? HBO seemed to try to justify Garcia's failed attempt to make weight. Mikey gave an excused that he was ill but in my experience us humans tend to loose weight when we're ill. This fight clearly demonstrated the advantage a fighter has coming in heavier than his opponent, who did what was expected of him in making weight. Did Mikey miraculously recover from his illness and become the bigger and stronger fighter? These guys should received a more significant punishment than having to purchase the advantage of not having to make weight.
When fights are signed, certain stipulations are agreed upon. This includes ha agreed upon weigh for the weight in. If a fighter comes in overweight why should he/she not be suspended? This fighter failed to meet the stipulations on the contracted agreement. A contract which is a binding agreement between both fighters.
Allowing the fight to continue after a fine is just a cop-out in order to ensure profits. The end result comes down to two fighters in a deleterious matter. One of which is at a disadvantage due to weight controversies. I say, cancel the fight and suspend fighters. Too bad.
The fines are enough, NO suspensions! If a fighter is sick leading up to the fight then he will rehydrate to help with his recover and thats when he can ballon up away from the contracted weight! Your not going to let a flu symtom take your weight away you must rehydrate! If you saw the GGG comparison all fighters walk around drinking constantly when their sick.
As to the out come of Mikeys fight he could have weighed 115 and beaten that guy! weight had no baring on the out come!!! Talent and skills did!
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Suspended for what? He basically broke a WBO "rule", not a boxing one. Making weight is a contract between the two fighters, and the belt organization in this case.
They should be heavily fined just like Garcia was. Being overweight is a big deal in my opinion and very unfair. I feel fights should be canceled
no way should there be suspensions for not making weight. wayyyyy too draconian. cancel the fight but dont send a boxer on a layoff that could damage his career. esp if we are talking 2 or 3 lbs. the crime does not fit the punishment.
That argument can be thrown out there for any effort to stop guys squeezing down into lower weight classes. Ultimately if you want to stop this behaviour you're required to make it less attractive for people to engage in it.
you're introducing a suspension that wouldn't be there otherwise, making it a very different scenario. i don't entirely see your point. a % is not equal to a suspension. andre berto was the gateway to floyd mayweather. squeezing down to berto weight would be a greater incentive to drain oneself than a percentage.
you're trying to stop people from missing weight, or rehydrating after weigh ins?
they're not always the same. garcia fighters boil down to nothing (donaire, rios, and his brother being the big three,) probably via the use of diuretics. that's very rare.
if you want to stop people from rehydrating, you move a weigh in to the same day. that will never happen, though, as vegas relies on weigh ins to get people staying in the hotels and gambling for an extra day.
if you're handing out suspensions to protect opponents from having to fight larger guys (IE out of concern for the opponent's health,) why allow the fight to go on? if you really want to generate a sanction to reduce the cases in which guys miss weight, that's it. don't let them fight. handing out suspensions post fight is a bit like catching a fighter taking PED's and letting him fight. i don't think it's a good idea, because it will further drain fighters, but if you're looking to protect guys (reduce the harmful scenarios in which there's a huge advantage of size,) that's how you'd do it.
lopez would rather take an extra percent and get paid for the evening, i can assure you.
With a guy like Mayweather or someone a year long suspension wont really affect them since they only fight once a year. Only the fighters near the bottom or up and comers hat will affect
It would affect Mikey Garcia. Would have affected Adrien Broner too.
With a guy like Mayweather or someone a year long suspension wont really affect them since they only fight once a year. Only the fighters near the bottom or up and comers hat will affect
i don't think that's appropriate. you'd see guys coming in to wiegh ins more drained than ever. eventually somebody would get seriously hurt because he didn't want his license suspended.
That argument can be thrown out there for any effort to stop guys squeezing down into lower weight classes. Ultimately if you want to stop this behaviour you're required to make it less attractive for people to engage in it.
i don't think that's appropriate. you'd see guys coming in to wiegh ins more drained than ever. eventually somebody would get seriously hurt because he didn't want his license suspended.
the fines are enough. just make sure of it. if floyd mayweather misses weight, hit him big. if an ESPN fighter misses weight, hit him with a big percent. even if it's not a ton of money, it's still a percent of his earnings. you guys seriously overestimate the amount of money that boxers make. they get big paychecks, but they pay their team and pay taxes, and usually only see about half.
when you and i are in the prime of our careers, making our best money (35-50, lets say,) these guys will be retired.
a 150K fine to mikey garcia probably makes him feel sick. just imagine losing 150 K instantly....
Even GGG made weight and in his 2days show it was clear that he had the flu and on fight night you could still see it on his face. Now that's professionalism.
Yes but Golovkin basically walks around around 160 and doesnt have to deal with weight problems, so making weight with the flu was easy. Garcia on the other hand cuts like 15 pounds
Absolutely yes. Fighters abusing their 'A-side' status is sickening and this would at least be an added constraint to them doing so. Of course boxing is such a disorganised mess it would be very difficult to implement it, but that's no excuse to do nothing.
Seems like Garcia had no real intention of making 126, he's moving up so didnt care about the title and wanted to take any advantage he could and make sure he won impressively.
It's hard because Lopez has to take the fight, no one wins when it's called off. Suspension might be the only answer. You should at least have to try, not just buy your way out of it.
Should boxers who fail to make weight in title bouts be suspended? HBO seemed to try to justify Garcia's failed attempt to make weight. Mikey gave an excused that he was ill but in my experience us humans tend to loose weight when we're ill. This fight clearly demonstrated the advantage a fighter has coming in heavier than his opponent, who did what was expected of him in making weight. Did Mikey miraculously recover from his illness and become the bigger and stronger fighter? These guys should received a more significant punishment than having to purchase the advantage of not having to make weight.
Absolutely. Fines are not enough, apparent by how many fighters continue to come in overweight.
These people sign legal documents that require them to be at a specific weight by a specific date and time. Yet time and time again fighters come in overweight. This is truly unprofessional and undermines the sport of boxing greatly. There needs to be much more accountability. If fighters really can't lose the weight the they should have to forfeit the match-up and potential earnings.
i think suspension would be too much. being fined is good enough for me
150k for garica...damn thats alot!
This was part of Max's point tho,most A side fighters can afford to pay the other guy 150k and not think twice about it..Which is not fair to the other guy..This is a sport built on somewhat of an honor system..If these guy's can't respect it,there should be some kinda more stern punishment in place..
Disagree. The color of his face and lack of muscle definition of his abs says he was well and had enough body fat to burn.
Ye...no he didn't, and I'm glad he didn't.
It comes down to professionalism all around. Before you sign to fight, you should have no doubt/uncertainty whatsoever that you can reach the agreed upon weight ( and other agreements for that matter. If you showed up to the pre-fight weigh-in and are overweight--then there should be alarms popping off everywhere. All this crap about compensation to the other fighter to keep the fight on is B.S.
I liked Mickey and I had him beating JuanMa irregardless of controversy, but he has lost my respect do to undeniable unprofessional.
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Fighters not making weight are what promoters/management are for. If a fighter does not make weight then the fight can no longer take place within the agreed weight division and can only continue through negotiation between the two camps. If the fight does not go ahead then the promotional team who represent the offending fighter must pay whatever fines are put into place and the other fighters salary to ensure nobody is at a loss. If the fight does go ahead then it is usually through negotiation of more money for the other fighter. If this happens then that's fine, it is agreed by both guys and is no different from any other weight stipulation in a contract such as a catchweight etc. It is not up to the commission at that point to punish the offending fighter. The only punishment that should be allowed (and is) is the fighter may lose the title as he is not able to defend it within the time period/agreed upon conditions... and again that is an agreement between the fighter and the WBC/WBA/IBF etc. It is not an issue for the commission.
5 pounds is way too much. That's like signing to fight a 130 lbs fight and facing a 135 lb opponent. It that case the fight should be cancelled and the fightdr who failed to make weight should be suspended for a year plus sued by all affected parties.
Yea, 5 pounds does seem like a lot, especially with all these weight classes barely separated. I can't say 3 either because there are some weight classes separated by 3 pounds (specifically the lower ones).
Suspension seems excessive, although it's very unprofessional to come in overweight.
If you do it like the guy who fought Dzinzurik then yea. He was in double digits. That's not being unprofessional, that's not even trying.
I think if you're in excess of 5 pounds then yea, you should receive some sort of suspension.
That's called not even trying.
I'm putting Garcia in the same boat as Broner. Both were off (Broner by 1.5 more than Garcia) and both decided not to make weight
5 pounds is way too much. That's like signing to fight a 130 lbs fight and facing a 135 lb opponent. It that case the fight should be cancelled and the fightdr who failed to make weight should be suspended for a year plus sued by all affected parties.