I was never sold on Sergio Martinez the guy contradicts himself bad

Sergio Martinez answers when asked about going up to 168 to challenge the top guys an going up in weight, Sergio tells ESPN: "But going up directly to 168 would be suicidal. I walk around at less than 168 when I'm not even training, usually at about 165. I'm definitely not ready for that division." Sergio Martinez on fighting Manny Pacquiao at 150 pounds , Sergio tells Ring magazine: "It's an incredible effort for my body. I walk around at 178 with a maximum of 3.2 percent body fat. I have very little body fat and I'm very muscular. To go down to that weight can be fatal to my health." I was never sold on Martinez. People bigged him up because he wasn't Floyd or Pacman and they needed a guy to praise because they didn't want to praise either guy. His footwork is so ugly, his hands down style is clumsy and atrocious not in a nice way either. Plus he keeps saying Golovkin isn't worthy or his people have been saying that, his promoter has been doing his fair share of cherry picking, just like when they didn't want to fight Pirog after he KO Danny Jacobs. Also them not willing to go up to 168, saying he is too small, well too small yet you walk around at 180 and than lie about it saying you are too small for 168 which is it? if Floyd, JMM, and Pacman can fight at 147 and basically only put 2 pounds above the limit on fight night and dominate against guys who weigh more why can't Sergio? If he is great he should challenge Ward at 168 he will be fresh and not have to cut much weight which is taxing on his aging body at this point. Sergio seems to be getting a pass, 168 is not too big for him at this stage in his career if there is nothing left for you if you don't want to fight Golovkin go up to fight Ward or Froch or one of those top guys. Why go back down to 154 when you already have a drained out face with no meat on it? Let me know when you find another guy with literally no amateur career who turned pro at 21 or 22, and pretty much only lost one fight out of almost 60 fights. The Williams loss was a loss on paper but I personally thought he edged it and the Cintron Draw was a KO....never seen anything like that fight before but that was before Martinez had any fans so HBO ripped him off. He has fought in 3 different divisions and been a champ in two of them. The combined records of his last 7 opponents is by far the best in the sport bar none. The guy is a small MW, Ward even said he was too small to fight.

Sergio Martinez answers when asked about going up to 168 to challenge the top guys an going up in weight, Sergio tells ESPN: "But going up directly to 168 would be suicidal. I walk around at less than 168 when I'm not even training, usually at about 165. I'm definitely not ready for that division." Sergio Martinez on fighting Manny Pacquiao at 150 pounds , Sergio tells Ring magazine: "It's an incredible effort for my body. I walk around at 178 with a maximum of 3.2 percent body fat. I have very little body fat and I'm very muscular. To go down to that weight can be fatal to my health." I was never sold on Martinez. People bigged him up because he wasn't Floyd or Pacman and they needed a guy to praise because they didn't want to praise either guy. His footwork is so ugly, his hands down style is clumsy and atrocious not in a nice way either. Plus he keeps saying Golovkin isn't worthy or his people have been saying that, his promoter has been doing his fair share of cherry picking, just like when they didn't want to fight Pirog after he KO Danny Jacobs. Also them not willing to go up to 168, saying he is too small, well too small yet you walk around at 180 and than lie about it saying you are too small for 168 which is it? if Floyd, JMM, and Pacman can fight at 147 and basically only put 2 pounds above the limit on fight night and dominate against guys who weigh more why can't Sergio? If he is great he should challenge Ward at 168 he will be fresh and not have to cut much weight which is taxing on his aging body at this point. Sergio seems to be getting a pass, 168 is not too big for him at this stage in his career if there is nothing left for you if you don't want to fight Golovkin go up to fight Ward or Froch or one of those top guys. Why go back down to 154 when you already have a drained out face with no meat on it? lol 3.2% body fat..pro bodybuilders rarely if ever get that low with months of dieting and all the drugs under the sun...maybe he used to be around 178lbs and isn't any more, but it sounds dubious, he should be at 154

If he should move up, same could be said about everyone. Why single him out? Why wont GGG or Chavez move up to fight Ward or Froch? Why wont Canelo move up to fight GGG or Quillon? See I can do that with everyone.

Barker, Macklin and Murray all exposed Sergio to an extent. Murray just carried it out to near perfection. What?? How is that when they just covered up most of the fight, didnt try to press and just threw jabs? That's like saying that Narvaez exposed Donaire! Just dumb... It's clear that Sergio is deteriorating and injured. I like Murray but had Macklin been back in with Sergio again that fight I would have fancied him to stop Sergio. I hope that he recovers, cashes in against Mayweather then retires! He deserves it. It's a pity that he didnt get recognition when he was say 28.

You can say what you want about Martinez but he proved he belonged on the P4P list. He can fight on the outside, he got power, he got speed. He also proved he can adapt when his gameplan isn't working out AND he can fight on the inside as you saw. How many guys have all those dimensions? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Quote: Originally Posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. TS is a Donaire fan who contradicted himself more than Mayweather. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android AT calling me a donaire fan, hell no, I said it many times I am unbiased. I call it how I see it. I have criticized, Pacman, Floyd, Nonito, Rigo, Sergio. I point out things that people overlook. Sergio is a boxer that people who wanted to be different latched onto because they didnt like pac or floyd. Sergio is overrated, sloppy footwork, flawed like mad, people who don't know about boxing will actually say he has awesome footwork and boxing skills and is slick, he is not slick he is awkward, he trips over his own feet, and has his hands down all the time, and throws and always blowing his nose. and maybe I should have been more clear he LIED about his weight issue. he has yet to act like Floyd and tell a reporter that he never said that though. Wanna bump one of your threads criticizing Donaire? I think I must've missed them. At least one for at least contradicting himself over and over. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

He's a footspeed and reflex fighter and is almost 39 fu**ing hell some people are blind.

Exposure starring chiguy. :lol1: Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Lol some of you guys in here seen a little slow. im almost positive Martinez does not walk around at 178 lmao. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android He was 176 at the 30 day weigh in for the williams rematch, so he does walk around up there. He gains a little fat in the off season

TS is a Donaire fan who contradicted himself more than Mayweather. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android :rofl: AT calling me a donaire fan, hell no, I said it many times I am unbiased. I call it how I see it. I have criticized, Pacman, Floyd, Nonito, Rigo, Sergio. I point out things that people overlook. Sergio is a boxer that people who wanted to be different latched onto because they didnt like pac or floyd. Sergio is overrated, sloppy footwork, flawed like mad, people who don't know about boxing will actually say he has awesome footwork and boxing skills and is slick, he is not slick he is awkward, he trips over his own feet, and has his hands down all the time, and throws and always blowing his nose. and maybe I should have been more clear he LIED about his weight issue. he has yet to act like Floyd and tell a reporter that he never said that though.

Sergio Martinez answers when asked about going up to 168 to challenge the top guys an going up in weight, Sergio tells ESPN: "But going up directly to 168 would be suicidal. I walk around at less than 168 when I'm not even training, usually at about 165. I'm definitely not ready for that division." Sergio Martinez on fighting Manny Pacquiao at 150 pounds , Sergio tells Ring magazine: "It's an incredible effort for my body. I walk around at 178 with a maximum of 3.2 percent body fat. I have very little body fat and I'm very muscular. To go down to that weight can be fatal to my health." I was never sold on Martinez. People bigged him up because he wasn't Floyd or Pacman and they needed a guy to praise because they didn't want to praise either guy. His footwork is so ugly, his hands down style is clumsy and atrocious not in a nice way either. Plus he keeps saying Golovkin isn't worthy or his people have been saying that, his promoter has been doing his fair share of cherry picking, just like when they didn't want to fight Pirog after he KO Danny Jacobs. Also them not willing to go up to 168, saying he is too small, well too small yet you walk around at 180 and than lie about it saying you are too small for 168 which is it? if Floyd, JMM, and Pacman can fight at 147 and basically only put 2 pounds above the limit on fight night and dominate against guys who weigh more why can't Sergio? If he is great he should challenge Ward at 168 he will be fresh and not have to cut much weight which is taxing on his aging body at this point. Sergio seems to be getting a pass, 168 is not too big for him at this stage in his career if there is nothing left for you if you don't want to fight Golovkin go up to fight Ward or Froch or one of those top guys. Why go back down to 154 when you already have a drained out face with no meat on it? floyd never contradicted himself? saying "manny pacquiao, you're next" at the ortiz LA presser, then saying he never said it. asking for extra drug testing, but then after team pac agrees to it he starts bitching about the purse split like some female. being against catchweights when talking about fighting cotto at 154 and not giving credit to pacquiao for beating cotto at 145? now he's fighting this ginger kid at a 152 lb catchweight when they're BOTH champions in the same goddamn division! martinez moved up to middleweight around 35/36 years of age. floyd's around that same age, isn't he? why doesn't he move up another division to 160 or stay at 154? i mean he's beating guys like ortiz and guerrero like nothing, why not challenge himself more if he's so great. paying 60/70 bucks for a sparring session? you got to be kidding me. dude's the biggest pussy/boring atg this sport has ever seen (and probably will ever see). how about donaire? talk about trying to polish a turd. he keeps his "elite" status by beating up scrubs like vazquez, arce, and fights unknowns like narvaez and mathebula. at least macklin, murray, and barker were legit and natural MWs. this guy is like a bantamweight chavez jr, having a clear size advantage on his last 6 or so opponents on fight night. talking about martinez not facing pirog after KO'ing a prospect in jacobs, how about donaire making all those excuses for not fighting rigondeaux before it actually happened? saying no one knows him, he needs more win professionally (even though he's arguably one of the greatest amateurs ever), and what not. plus, he worked with victor conte of all people for a while. you want to talk about roids and not believe donaire could have been on something during his time working with conte? give me a break. i don't even want to talk about ward, he's practically an american version of calzaghe. what hasn't been said about pacquiao that floyd fanboys haven't already said? it's easy to hate on any fighter. truth is, every fighter contradicts themselves at one point or another. at the end of the day, all these guys are prizefighters, they fight for money. where there is easy or big money, that's where they'll go. martinez wanted a 150 lb catchweight against manny pacquiao or floyd mayweather because it seemed like it would benefit them to the point where they would actually consider a possible fight with him. be real, if that fight really happened, who would have the advantage going into it? 150 lb catchweight and all. yeah, martinez might not have the prettiest style, but then again, this guy never intended on having a boxing career until he was 21. i mean at least he stops his guys. did he not stop dzinziruk, barker, and macklin when they presented him with a difficult fight? dzinziruk had a good round right before getting stopped. when donaire or pacquiao were presented with a difficult style/fight (narvaez, vazquez, mathebula, marquez, clottey, and mosley), what were their excuses for not being able to adapt/make adjustments and get the stoppage? i love how everyone who discredits the guy, shitting on him saying he's no good wants him to move up in weight and fight the best there? why? wouldn't that fight suck? or you just want to see guys you don't like lose? haha. pathetic.

Quote: Originally Posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. Why would you want a great guy and fighter like Martinez to go out on a T/KO loss? Then the same guys who downplay Martinez would hype the sh1t out of the win knowing where the guy was in his career. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android well i don't care how he loses..if it's by tko then so be it. but its obvious he's done (i felt he lost to murray) so rather than fight some no hoper then retire he should fight golovkin, take the inevitable beating like a champ and pass on the torch/wbc title/#1 middleweight spot... Damn... You're a Soggy hearted mfker :lol1:. We all know theres no other outcome to this fight. Before his last fight I was picking Martinez (I was giving him the benefit of the doubt) but his last fight was a clear sign. His reflexes are fading, he can't move cause of his knee, hand injury, you name it. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

sergio at 168 is ridic, he's small at 160. get real. guys a great champ..age is catching up with him, father time is undefeated.

Mayweather is CWeighing a guy who struggles to make 154 as it is... What's your point? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android what makes you say that canelo struggles to make 154?

Martinez has become faded after many many years of fighting bums from Europe and a few years of fighting hype jobs (Pwill, Pavlik, Chavez) It's funny how people keep saying Barker, Macklin, and now Murray are better than advertised. Maybe Martinez is worse than advertised.

Most boxers are hypocrites, I think people overlook the fact that boxing is a business and the fighters are a product. When trying to make money in a business, and hold an advantage over the competition, there is no room for honesty, I think the only honest boxers are naive. That being said what annoyed me about Sergio Martinez was his fanbase ( People like Bushbaby) who acted as though he was one of a select few who upheld the sport's values and principles.

Why would you want a great guy and fighter like Martinez to go out on a T/KO loss? Then the same guys who downplay Martinez would hype the sh1t out of the win knowing where the guy was in his career. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android well i don't care how he loses..if it's by tko then so be it. but its obvious he's done (i felt he lost to murray) so rather than fight some no hoper then retire he should fight golovkin, take the inevitable beating like a champ and pass on the torch/wbc title/#1 middleweight spot...

huh insane to move up? Yet Marquez can move up and dominate Pacquiao, Pac and Floyd can move up and be outweighed and still win they came from lower divisions. Stop dude, why are you protecting Sergio, and he was the goods he never had skill to begin with his last fight proved it, he is clumsy and awkward, he would hunch low with his hands down backing out and throwing that wild over hand punch, and than occasional snot out some boogers pressing his nostril with his glove. His style is atrocious, no fundamentals at all. the guy should move up seriously what else is left for him if he is so great. Roy Jones and James Toney and B hop moved up. Maybe he walked around at different weights between different fights.... Fernando Vargas walked around at nearly 200lbs but fought at 154. Weight don't mean SHIT it's all about what weight you are most effective. Stop using these little ass dudes and comparing them to Sergio moving up to fight. He started at 147 and you're saying move up to 168. That's 21 pounds at the worst weight to move up (unless you Tommy Hearns) - plus he's 37...PLUS there IS no cherrypicking dudes that also moved up in weight with him or weight draining dudes to fight him.

Quote: Originally Posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. You just proved my point. One was cutting more weight and still looked great at the weigh in didn't he? Its ok tho, I know Floyd can no wrong and y'all do anything to defend him. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android At 152 Floyd can be hit. Weve seen it happen twice. Ummm ok... So? I ain't trying to argue about this cause I think Floyd beats the ginger out of Canelo at any weight. But it was pretty hypocritical of a Floyd fan to sh1t on someone else's catchweight. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

You can see it in the body frames Martinez is too small for 160. look at him against pavlik and Chavez Jr.... he is a true 154 and they have said it I dont know if the can go down now since it has been a long time but the dude is a bad ass....