Top 5 best Latin American fighters of all time. Curious thing is that...

1. Duran 2. Monzon 3. Arguello 4. Jofre 5. Chavez Honourable mentions go to Gavilan, Olivares, Napoles.

to those in the know, where does the cocoa kid rank on a top latin fighters of all time?

Y'all got it all wrong. 1. Chris areolla 2. Victor Ortiz 3. John Ruiz 4. Mayorga 5. Canelo Best ever 👍😁 hahahahahaha

I stand corrected. Gavilan was indeed down just twice in his career. First to Williams, then to Basilio. Good catch, Dan. Certainly one of the ATG chins, no question.

1. Matthysse 2. JCC Jr = Rios 3. Martinez 4. Rigondeaux 5. Maidana = Gamboa we are talking about ALL TIME not CURRENT..

I don't have any mexican on my list. I got Duran, Monzon, Panama Al Brown, Alexis Arguello and Kid Gavilan. I do have Juan Manuel Marquez, Julio Cesar Chavez and Finito Lopez on the top 10 though. Post your list (only if you are being objective and educated enough on the topic to do it). Rigod has to be pretty high up on the list!

Gavilan was knocked down by Carmen Basillio and I think Ike Williams if memory serves me right. But I believe they were the only two times. I stand corrected. Gavilan was indeed down just twice in his career. First to Williams, then to Basilio. Good catch, Dan.

I defer to your expertise on these matters, Dan, so I won't argue Jofre versus Lopez; but I do believe that a fighter's greatness is diminished when they fought nearly all their bouts in their home country. (With apologies to all non-Americans, the only exception to this rule is if a boxer only fought in the United States.) What is your list? I see your point but how many gift decisions did he get in Brazil? I'd agree with you if his fights in his native country were similar to that of Sven Ottke. The only time a wrong decision was made IMO were the Harada fights, albeit, both close fights. My list off the top would be something like this 1. Duran 2. Arguello 3. Monzon 4. Ortiz 5. Gavilan

Kid Gavilan, without a shadow of a doubt, is one of the top-five greatest Latino boxers of all time. The "Keed" fought long after his prime, but he was never stopped or even dropped. His final record was 108-30-5, but he went 10-17-1 in his last 28 fights. Gavilan is commonly considered one of the greatest welterweights of all time. He beat HOFers like Beau Jack, Billy Graham, Chuck Davey, Ike Williams, Carmen Basilio, and Gaspar Ortega. Gavilan went 25 total rounds with prime Ray Robinson, losing a controversial first meeting. In the fifties, when boxing enjoyed real popularity, "The Cuban Hawk" was a star on prime-time television. He's a legend. Rigondeaux, as I said earlier, was mentioned in jest. But, in all seriousness, if "El Chacal" had turned pro at a young age, we might've been discussing his greatness in such a conversation a few years from now. Gavilan was knocked down by Carmen Basillio and I think Ike Williams if memory serves me right. But I believe they were the only two times.

sanchez chavez duran de la hoya monzon jmm arguello kid gavilan olivare wilfrido gomez I think we should do a top 50 list, trying to pick 5 is ridiculous, mexican can't agreed on top ten, I can imagine doing it for latin america,

I understand and I'm not coming down on you. Latino is a term given to the countries from the Latin region of Europe. Countries that spoke Latin based or romance languages. Brazil is included on that group. Even though people want to make "Latin" a race, it's not. I'm not Latin, I'm of Mexican descent, of American and Mexican nationality and Mestizo (mix between native indian and european blood). It gets complicated but Brazilians are technically latinos. Quite a lot of Mexicans also have some African ancestry.

No, Portuguese is. But Portuguese is a Latin language and Spain and Portugal both share the Iberian peninsula together and their histories and culture are very closely related as is their languages. My parents are from Galicia and they speak a similar language that Portugal, as a matter of fact they shared the border and the difference is minimum...

With all due respect, that is absurd. Whether or not he fought in Brazil often, Jofre beat a lot of great fighters that makes Lopez' look weak in comparison. He also beat all but two, both against the HOF great Harada in close fights. As to other posts that say Chavez doesn't deserve a top 5 spot, that's just being biased and stupid. Chavez is clearly among the top five, and very arguably 2nd behind Duran. Only Monzon could really be argued as above him with any equality and even that's tricky. It's very difficult, without being absurdly biased, to ignore what Chavez did. He's easily above most others people have mentioned being above him so far, in every single category you want to choose. The amount of champions he beat, along with championship defenses, his undefeated streak until Whitaker, in different divisions is unparalleled in the sports history. You're just being ingenuous not having him in the top 5. If you have Arguello, for instance, but not Chavez, you're being stupid. Kid Gavilan, Jose Napoles, Ricardo Lopez, Sal Sanchez etc etc, but no Chavez....:nonono: Why is Chavez greater than Gavilan? That notion is absurd to me.

In no particular order Duran Kid Chocolate Monzon Ricardo Lopez Wilfredo Gomez Wilfredo Benitez Jose Napoles Ruben Olivares Alexis Arguellos Kid Gavilan JM Marquez Chavez had his record padded for most of his career, I see Barrera and Morales with better resume than him, Sal Sanchez die too soon and we can only dream what he could had done if not for his untimely death, there other Mexican greats like Kid Azteca, Miguel Canto, Chiquita Gonzalez that could be in the list too, to me it's too hard to just pick 5 from a list of greats...

I understand and I'm not coming down on you. Latino is a term given to the countries from the Latin region of Europe. Countries that spoke Latin based or romance languages. Brazil is included on that group. Even though people want to make "Latin" a race, it's not. I'm not Latin, I'm of Mexican descent, of American and Mexican nationality and Mestizo (mix between native indian and european blood). It gets complicated but Brazilians are technically latinos. So which do you choose In a census survey: Asian Black Caucasian Native American

Sanchez JCC Sr Lopez ... ...

1-Canelo/Chavez Sr 2-Duran 3-Sanchez 4-Monzon 5-Arguello

Yea. Nothing against Brazilians cause they're cool as sh1t but I never felt comfortable when people call them latinos. Aren't they made up mostly of Europeans, Africans and some Asian? Hell, I'd say Filipinos are more "latino" than Brazilians. :lol1: Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android That is the basic mix for all of us. Negro, español, tainos (en el caribe). The difference is that they speak Portuguese, we speak spanish. Both language are romance language or vulgar latin. They are latinos. The lists are subjective. And somehow kind of insulting when you consider that you might leave someone out that might be as good as the other.

I already said I misuse it all the time. The same way I misuse "spanish". I ask people if they're "spanish" but doesn't necessarily mean I'm asking if they're from Spain. Its something that got stuck with me from back in the day when I lived up north. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android I understand and I'm not coming down on you. Latino is a term given to the countries from the Latin region of Europe. Countries that spoke Latin based or romance languages. Brazil is included on that group. Even though people want to make "Latin" a race, it's not. I'm not Latin, I'm of Mexican descent, of American and Mexican nationality and Mestizo (mix between native indian and european blood). It gets complicated but Brazilians are technically latinos.

You who? Cuba was NOT colonized by Portugal so Idk who or what you're talking about. But I'm already over this subject. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Oh ok whatever, you make cubans look bad then.