Biggest obstacle in Mayweather vs Canelo negotiations...

I think it's simply pride. Mayweather is P4P #1, future HOFer, been in this business for 16-17 years, great ameteur career, multi division champion, he IS the money maker in Boxing and all of sports, undefeated, etc...etc... Now while he hasn't endeared himself to the public to adore him (his style, attitude, villain "money" show, etc), he somewhat feels entitled to the adoration and respect of a great veteran fighter coming near the end of his career... So with all of those accolades, why is it that Mayweather has to be in the position to "prove" himself or "challenge" the younger, inexperienced, protected (before Trout), title holder in Canelo Alvarez? I don't think Mayweather likes it that people are saying HE needs to challenge himself vs Canelo. Take the "Canelo challenge", prove himself vs a legitimate threat in Canelo. Alvarez is being presented to Mayweather like "the man", "the ultimate challenge", "the king of boxing" that he needs to beat to establish his career legacy (like the past 17 years doesn't matter) when he already knows that just beating Canelo won't endear himself anymore to his detractors and the public will move onto the next opponent to say Floyd "needs" or is "ducking". Fighting DLH and Cotto at 154, he was already fighting two future HOFers. He agreed to just about everything DLH wanted because he knew he had to sacrifice to get in the position he is in now. I think he also had respect for Cotto and felt he could beat him at 154. However Canelo isn't on DLH or Cotto's level at this point in his career. Catering to him doesn't seem so appealing. It doesn't present him with the benefits of winning that DLH and Cotto provided due to them already being established, proven and respected by the general public. I think the Money Team's demand of Canelo moving down to 147 is simply their way of saying "wait a minute, I am P4P #1, I am the future HOFer here, I am the money maker, the top dog in this business and I am not challenging you...you are challenging me" I want the fight and am not saying Floyd shouldn't concede to anything. I just believe this whole passenger seat treatment isn't setting well with TMT. I think that ultimately the fight will happen at 154, but not without Floyd finding a way to turn it into Canelo challenging him. That could very well mean an interim fight at 154 vs someone else first.

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my question is if may fights khan.. doesnt khan have loses to avenge first (garcia, prescott) the same way manny has loses to revenge (marques, bradley)? i dont get it.. wtf you be talking about sometimes fliyd? (scratching my head in severe confusion)

13y ago

marvin_douglas

And how many fights have you won, tough guy? Pride :lol1:....more like coward. Even a midget give this coward the creep.

13y ago

boliodogs

I understand what you are saying I just don't agree with it. He fought Cotto at 154 because he knew Cotto was not a big 154 pounder and he thought he could beat him. He did not want it to look like he was fighting a guy Pacquiao already destoyed so he made a big deal of Cotto being really an undefeated fighter at 154. He knew Cotto was not as good as he used to be. He fought Oscar at 154 because Oscar called the shots and it was a great opportunity for Floyd plus he thought he could beat Oscar because Oscar was an older past prime welterweight. He won't agree to fight Canelo at any weight above 147 for one reason. He does not want to fight Canelo. He knows Canelo will not agree to fight at a weight he can't possibly make and be strong at. Canelo really is an undefeated fighter. He really is a full sized 154 pounder and he is a hard punching 22 year old. Floyd does not want to fight him because he is not sure he can beat him. As far as Canelo not being on Cotto's level yet I can't agree with that either. Canelo just beat Trout who had just defeated Cotto so that puts Canelo above Cotto at 154. Canelo is rated as the champion and the #1 154 pounder in the world by boxrec, boxing scene, Ring magazine and just about every other organization that rates fighters. Mayweather will never fight Canelo because he is not sure he can beat him no matter what his team said about easy work.

13y ago

Bigg_Rigg

It's funny how now for everoyone and Floyd the issue of fight night weights is a big deal.

13y ago

screwhead1

lets make this fair: fight at 154 weigh in: floyd 151 canelo 154 fight night weight: floyd 152 canelo 172 fair fight? but wait! clottey, ortiz, and boldo all rehydrate back to high weights and floyd fought them. but the truth is that canelo can't make 147...he should be at ****ing 160...just like paul williams was trying to do...dude said he walks around at 180...canelo has a heavier frame...i don't see this fight even being reasonable...but the public wants to see it and i believe floyd would tax his ass...but on paper, the **** sounds like a freak show and a forced interaction... isn't it sad that the rules and ideas behind boxing need to be altered because there is no competition for a person in their respective division? but with all that said, floyd took a title at 154, h should defend that title at 154...soooooooo

13y ago

The_Big_Dunn

Floyd though was never in a position where he was on the B-side of the coin or took orders from an opposing fighter, even against Corrales. The only time that really presented itself was against De La Hoya and he made Floyd come up in weight (and according to Floyd himself, he still came in as a Welter as well as with Cotto). I think Floyd should have negotiation power monetarily, I don't think anyone can argue that. Venue, name of the marquee, gate, PPV, etc all should be in Floyd's favor. But for the sake of the fight itself his negotiation power shouldn't be to weaken Canelo knowing the kid won't make 147lbs healthy (and all of us know this). So in reality, what Boxing fan would legitimately be ok with a 147lb version of Canelo vs Mayweather and how would Floyd get any credit for that considering Floyd himself has 2 fights and 2 title wins at 154? he was the bside for Gatti. every fighter in history uses leverage to either weaken the opponent directly (cw, rehydration) or indirectly (glove size, ring size). Do I think canelo can make 147, maybe maybe not. But that isn't the issue IMO. The issue is why are people complaining about floyd using his negotitation power? I want the fight at 154. that said it was Canelo that called out Maweather. He wants the payday. Sergio called out floyd and said he'd go down. Ward called out floyd and said he'd go down. If canelo wants the payday then he may have to give something up just like others that want the payday. Yes floyd has won twice at 154 and yes he has said he wants fighters comfortable. the credit issue is not worth debating because we both know floyd wont get credit ether way if he's at 147 then Canelo was drained and if its at 154 Canelo will be too young.

13y ago

jayblack

You obviously misinterrupted what I was saying; he said what makes dude believe Floyd has loss and power and i agreed with that My bad man

13y ago

dc3383

13y ago

RL_GMA

while we all hope the fight is at 154- why do people have such a problem with floyd using his negotiating power? when floyd was developing into a superstar he did what the larger fighters wanted and still beat them. No whining and *****ing. Yet whenever floyd asks for something we get all this bull****. Floyd though was never in a position where he was on the B-side of the coin or took orders from an opposing fighter, even against Corrales. The only time that really presented itself was against De La Hoya and he made Floyd come up in weight (and according to Floyd himself, he still came in as a Welter as well as with Cotto). I think Floyd should have negotiation power monetarily, I don't think anyone can argue that. Venue, name of the marquee, gate, PPV, etc all should be in Floyd's favor. But for the sake of the fight itself his negotiation power shouldn't be to weaken Canelo knowing the kid won't make 147lbs healthy (and all of us know this). So in reality, what Boxing fan would legitimately be ok with a 147lb version of Canelo vs Mayweather and how would Floyd get any credit for that considering Floyd himself has 2 fights and 2 title wins at 154?

13y ago

dc3383

So what does the fact that Mayweather is the highest paid athlete in all of sports and the factthathe just signed the most lucrative contact ever in sports mean to you? I'm ininterested to hear what your take is on that since you believe it's commonsense that Mayweather doesn't have the same pull anymore? You obviously misinterrupted what I was saying; he said what makes dude believe Floyd has loss and power and i agreed with that

13y ago

Bigg_Rigg

He wants to do whatever he wants to do, not what people want him to do. So if he feels like fight devon instead of Canelo, that's what he's gonna try to do.

13y ago

jayblack

if the fight happens at 154.. Canelo will simply be to big and it wont be a fair fight... mayweather hardly weights 154 on fight night let alone for weigh in.... and if canelo is told to come down.. he will be drained as ****.. and again it wont be a fair fight.. so i think its better if we just forget about it. If the fight were to happen at 154i would like to see Mayweather put a rehydration clause in the contract.

13y ago

jayblack

You using commonsense So what does the fact that Mayweather is the highest paid athlete in all of sports and the factthathe just signed the most lucrative contact ever in sports mean to you? I'm ininterested to hear what your take is on that since you believe it's commonsense that Mayweather doesn't have the same pull anymore?

13y ago

EvilGenius

13y ago

oc9979

No one cares what may demands are,he doest have the same pull like he used and why should Canelo bend to may demands when he is a future money maker and will be the new ppv king and sell more ppv then may ever did. If of course he keeps winning Mayweather still has the same pull if not more. Canelo is basically begging to fight Mayweather. Why doesn't he move up to fight Martinez? Canelo made Hatton, Cotto, and Lopez move up to fight him. He will be this if...(doesn't work in boxing business, only promoter takes that risk of what if He is not the PPV king and he is not selling any PPV as of now. As far as we know he might be the next Fernando Vargas.

13y ago

The_Big_Dunn

13y ago

p4pchamp8077

Floyd is the king of boxing and will do as he pleases; he also has a 154lb title. Canelo is challenging him for 154lbs not 147, I think he should quit acting like a bitch and fight the man at 154lbs. Floyd needs to win the fight in the ring, not on the weight-scale. These tactics should be left to Manny Pacquiao and his collection of paper titles.

13y ago

RL_GMA

You have got to be kidding me!! Who has the most PPV buys for the last few years? Who is the highest paid athelete as per FORBES.??? Your talking about Canelo in the future??? Let talk about right now!!!!!!! Canelo can't even lace up Mays boots bro.... If the young redhead wants it then he needs to come and see May at 147 or even be willing to go there.. He is standing firm at 154, he has no negotiation power here, he is not the man.. Maybe he will be when May is gone but for now he has to take a back seat and conform to the MAN!!!!!! Floyd does have every advantage in negotiations, but it doesn't mean it's a fair negotiation as far as the actual fight is concerned. Floyd would trump in every department as far as PPV %, gate, etc but the fight's gotta be at 154. Saying Canelo is young and he should venture to 147 because Floyd is the man seems like a cop out to me. Miguel Cotto had no leverage in negotiations and still got the fight at 154, and it wasn't just because Cotto is a PPV seller as Floyd himself said "I want Cotto and his most comfortable weight". I'd like the see them fight, but beyond the negotiation formalities, just make it a fair fight.

13y ago

dc3383

http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/what.png Explain how Floyd doesn't have the pull he used to. Based on what exactly? You using commonsense

13y ago

RL_GMA

No one cares what may demands are,he doest have the same pull like he used and why should Canelo bend to may demands when he is a future money maker and will be the new ppv king and sell more ppv then may ever did. If of course he keeps winning http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/what.png Explain how Floyd doesn't have the pull he used to. Based on what exactly?

13y ago