Kostya Tszyu: Great Fighter, Gutless Disgrace Of A Trainer

And Pawel Wolak wasn't stopped by the NYC officials against Delvin Rodriguez even though his eye looked about as bad as Lebedev, except it wasn't cut : http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pawel-wolak.jpg Exactly, Tszyu QUIT, he didn't get stopped by his corner, maybe he thinks a fighter should be allowed to continue until he says no mas. How can he quit in there, when all of those people cheer for him. on top of that he tries to gain fans by walking in military cloth, when man never even served in Vdv. anyways - after this fight - I believe Denis won't be the same again

I thought Tszyu was Povetkin's Trainer.

It was a mistake I admit it, but let's not pretend things like that happens only in Russia. http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5153/94378443zo4.jpg Golota - Mollo, NYC Madison Square Garden So I guess Mollo and Golota are back room fighters for the Cosa Nostra:lol1: And Pawel Wolak wasn't stopped by the NYC officials against Delvin Rodriguez even though his eye looked about as bad as Lebedev, except it wasn't cut : http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pawel-wolak.jpg are you serious? who else if not coach has best options and tips for the fighter? you being sarastic I hope - Kostya quit himself against Ricky Hatton, not his coach told him to, but he gave up - since he knew he lost it. Lebedev landed tons of powerful shots on Jones and that guy didn't even shook, so I don't see how you expect him to ko someone. everything what you said is silly. no offense I said "objective" decisions. Coaches aren't objective, they have a close relationship with their fighters and sometimes don't want to be responsible for taking the victory away from them after witnessing them work hard in the gym and knowing how much a win means to them. We've seen countless examples. The officials on the other hand have no excuse, they're supposed to be neutral and protect the fighter's health. Exactly, Tszyu QUIT, he didn't get stopped by his corner, maybe he thinks a fighter should be allowed to continue until he says no mas.

So you don't blame the referee or doctor but you're gonna blame the trainer who has an emotional connection with his fighter and is not always in the best position to make objective decisions? Especially a former fighter who can put himself in his fighter's shoes and who wouldn't like to get stopped by his corner. Also Lebedev has one punch KO power, he had the ability to end the fight at any moment so I understand why Tszyu gambled on it. The doctor and referee are the real culprits IMO because they're not supposed to be biased but they clearly were. are you serious? who else if not coach has best options and tips for the fighter? you being sarastic I hope - Kostya quit himself against Ricky Hatton, not his coach told him to, but he gave up - since he knew he lost it. Lebedev landed tons of powerful shots on Jones and that guy didn't even shook, so I don't see how you expect him to ko Jones. everything what you said is silly. no offense

Any pics on this cut? http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/168958097-denis-lebedev-of-russia-fights-with-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QTSsDrTAQknSFktEF75sGbP%2FMu4i70GlTY64RDkHJ0xj7y0LXLlc0%2Bk2TtibzhyHtw%3D%3D

When was this fight ? Swelling can look bad but there's very little long term damage that can come from it. Juz saying. dude, there were horrible injuries when eyes didn't look 1 per cent as bad as Lebedev's eye did. Frank Bruno had a detached retina after the Tyson rematch and his eye didn't look bad at all compared to Lebedev. Leroy Jones had a detached retina in the Larry Holmes fight and he also didn't look anywhere close to Lebedev.

Any pics on this cut?

When was this fight ? Swelling can look bad but there's very little long term damage that can come from it. Juz saying.

So you don't blame the referee or doctor but you're gonna blame the trainer who has an emotional connection with his fighter and is not always in the best position to make objective decisions? Especially a former fighter who can put himself in his fighter's shoes and who wouldn't like to get stopped by his corner. Also Lebedev has one punch KO power, he had the ability to end the fight at any moment so I understand why Tszyu gambled on it. The doctor and referee are the real culprits IMO because they're not supposed to be biased but they clearly were.

I somewhat agree with Hitman. for a man that was Class A fighter and now letting his fighter get seriously injured is bull. They should of stop the fight after 6th round. But they were hoping Lebedev is a class fighter and thats nothing for him. nnoottt nothing has to do with mafia though - Russia and Ukraine r so messed up now, you can call every 2nd guy criminal, from the way they make their $, its normal here now( After this fight I wonder how Wlad and Povetkin will go in Moscow))

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01289/erik_1289333a.jpg Did many of you complain about the referee or the trainer of Morales for not stopping his fight with Marcos Maidana? That fight was legitimately very closely fought, same circumstances as the Lebedev vs Jones fight but the big difference is... Lebedev was up on the score cards and was landing way more leather than Jones, it's an unfortunate injury that had to happen because If it never well I reckon the fight would of still been a good war. first of all, the Morales-Maidana fight should also have been stopped. Secondly, Lebedev's face looked 10 TIMES WORSE than Morales' face/eye.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01289/erik_1289333a.jpg Did many of you complain about the referee or the trainer of Morales for not stopping his fight with Marcos Maidana? That fight was legitimately very closely fought, same circumstances as the Lebedev vs Jones fight but the big difference is... Lebedev was up on the score cards and was landing way more leather than Jones, it's an unfortunate injury that had to happen because If it never well I reckon the fight would of still been a good war.

Kostya Tszyu needs to give up his job working for the Russian mafia training fighters. I can't believe a guy who retired relatively young and spoke of wanting to retire before he did too much damage to himself would sit there and let a young, brave fighter like Lebedev take so much punishment when he was clearly handicapped. If this was a rank amateur trainer who had never boxed a day in his life it wouldn't be acceptable. For a man who sat on that stool before, and knows exactly what a fighter goes through, to sit there and do nothing is unforgiveable. I don't blame the referee because clearly he knew if he stopped the fight and declared Jones the winner the Russian mafia would kill him and his family inside of 24 hours. This is why boxing doesn't belong in sh*t ass miserable corrupt countries like Russia. Nobody cares about the sport or the fighters. Only about showing off their power and money and how little they care about the insignificant lives of their slaves. great thread.

:lol1: Hitman... Yeah you know I am right. This reminded me of when Abraham's jaw was broken but his crooked trainer and promoter forced him to continue the fight because it was in their best interest. Hyrunov is a common street criminal- the look on his face when Lebedev lost was priceless.

:lol1: Hitman...

What a moron:lol1: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meuaw37tQP1rqak77.gif It was a mistake I admit it, but let's not pretend things like that happens only in Russia. http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5153/94378443zo4.jpg Golota - Mollo, NYC Madison Square Garden So I guess Mollo and Golota are back room fighters for the Cosa Nostra:lol1: But did you catch the Bunce and Lillis talking rumors of Povetkin doing club fights for the Russian mafia? That must be what he's talking about

Any other reasonable explanation for the referee and doctor turning a blind eye ???? Everyone knows Povetkin is a back room fighter for the mafia. What a moron:lol1: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meuaw37tQP1rqak77.gif It was a mistake I admit it, but let's not pretend things like that happens only in Russia. http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5153/94378443zo4.jpg Golota - Mollo, NYC Madison Square Garden So I guess Mollo and Golota are back room fighters for the Cosa Nostra:lol1:

The Russian Mafia? I didn't see the fight, but it sounds pretty off. Maybe Tszyu's inexperience as a trainer showing?

K This is why boxing doesn't belong in sh*t ass miserable corrupt countries like Russia. Nobody cares about the sport or the fighters. Only about showing off their power and money and how little they care about the insignificant lives of their slaves. Idiot :rolleyes:

So he had a little cut big deal. I've seen worse. The cut was nothing, the swelling was horrible. I would say his eye was protruding a solid inch and a half off the side of his head.