Floyd ducks but Canelo isn't?

But you have to realize, Canelo's hair color didn't beat Trout, he did. Who else is there besides Pac that would generate the PPV buys a Canelo fight would draw? I'm not seeing very many or any for that matter. Kahn might draw numbers but that fight would get SHT on by everyone for being a Cherrypick from Floyd....Canelo wouldn't be at 154. >>>>>>>> I bet khan could do good numbers, not a good fight though. Broner too. Thing is my thoughts on it are this. Floyd doesn't care if the fight happens or not, and he went through what Canelo has to, it's been brought up before. Oscar made all the demands and Floyd met them, do you think Floyd wanted to fight oscar at 154? Floyd has a lot less to gain from this than Canelo does, it could be what catapults him to being known by the casual crowd. Floyd wins, it'll just be oh Floyd won again. I think Canelo should give into most of the demands to be honest, or maybe do a 150 CW if its offered, Canelo is nowhere near an A side to expect anything to fall in his favor. It's a business and Floyd wants to do business his way, hes earned that option the hard way. Canelo has one decent win on his resume, look at Floyds before he got to fight oscar, and that was multiple weight classes higher...and he still gave into all the demands. I'd love to see the fight, before people come bashing me, wether its at 147, 150, 154. The point i'm making is Canelo hasn't done **** to deserve anything of this magnitude and the only reason he's being mentioned is because hes an irish mexican, that's how he was built up to stardom...he didn't beat tough opponents and work his way up, lets be completely honest here. People will bring up other fighters but guess what...they met all of his demands going into the fight, they didn't say not happening if it's not at this weight or what not... Floyd said jump, they said how high? If anyone wants to actually debate any of these points I'm open for it, but...that being said its NSB so.... I won't hold my breath.

Lets say, he isn't worth the risk to Floyd because he is big, strong, young, and undefeated and Floyd needs an advantage by demanding he come down to 147 which he knows he can't. As far as being known, Canelo has superstar status in the Boxing world right now and a country behind him. Floyd cannot possible make the kind of money on anyone else that he could on Canelo, aside from Pac. The PPV numbers would be off the charts if he fought Canelo compared to the last few guys Mayweather has fought. I bet khan could do good numbers, not a good fight though. Broner too. Thing is my thoughts on it are this. Floyd doesn't care if the fight happens or not, and he went through what Canelo has to, it's been brought up before. Oscar made all the demands and Floyd met them, do you think Floyd wanted to fight oscar at 154? Floyd has a lot less to gain from this than Canelo does, it could be what catapults him to being known by the casual crowd. Floyd wins, it'll just be oh Floyd won again. I think Canelo should give into most of the demands to be honest, or maybe do a 150 CW if its offered, Canelo is nowhere near an A side to expect anything to fall in his favor. It's a business and Floyd wants to do business his way, hes earned that option the hard way. Canelo has one decent win on his resume, look at Floyds before he got to fight oscar, and that was multiple weight classes higher...and he still gave into all the demands. I'd love to see the fight, before people come bashing me, wether its at 147, 150, 154. The point i'm making is Canelo hasn't done **** to deserve anything of this magnitude and the only reason he's being mentioned is because hes an irish mexican, that's how he was built up to stardom...he didn't beat tough opponents and work his way up, lets be completely honest here. People will bring up other fighters but guess what...they met all of his demands going into the fight, they didn't say not happening if it's not at this weight or what not... Floyd said jump, they said how high? If anyone wants to actually debate any of these points I'm open for it, but...that being said its NSB so.... I won't hold my breath.

naw not an savior FMW fans are on that real talk and facts, me personaly still think floyd can beat Canelo at 154 it would be a rough start for maybe 5 rds with floyd winning 3 out of those 5 two for canelo and then he maybe stills another one in rd 6 or 7 then the rest is Mayweather, Canelo show stamina problems every long fight. but i think if these bigger guys call out floyd bigger guys should be able to call out canelo and Martinez Ohh yeah, where are these real talk and facts?? Your post has none.

Canelo isn't worth the risk to Mayweather right now, he isn't well known outside of mexico.Lets say, he isn't worth the risk to Floyd because he is big, strong, young, and undefeated and Floyd needs an advantage by demanding he come down to 147 which he knows he can't. As far as being known, Canelo has superstar status in the Boxing world right now and a country behind him. Floyd cannot possible make the kind of money on anyone else that he could on Canelo, aside from Pac. The PPV numbers would be off the charts if he fought Canelo compared to the last few guys Mayweather has fought.

It's Floyd saying "Yes I'll fight this guy at 154, yes I'll fight that guy at 154. Canelo, NOPE, you gotta come down to 147. You too big and strong, need you drained." Lame as hell! To be fair Manny fought at 154 too, it is what it is. People pick higher weight classes than they can fight in, if they see the opponent as beatable or worth the risk. Canelo isn't worth the risk to Mayweather right now, he isn't well known outside of mexico. As for the weight thing Canelo won't fight anyone bigger when he's fought one guy that's 154 lbers as is. Canelo has maybe a year left at 154 with how big he is, and it won't get any easier to make it as time goes on, hence why he's clamouring for the fight now.

I'm certain MWs enter the ring at around that weight, it's now fashionable to call Canelo a SMW for some odd reason, or ask that he face Ward. For anyone that's willing to answer, how much longer does anyone think Canelo will be able to make 154 healthy? Is it possible that his decent stamina at this point in time is due to having to make '54? I have stated this myself that it may be contributing to his stamina issues BUT that doesn't mean that he can't or shouldn't be fighting other 154 opponents especially one that holds a title and is P4P #1. He just needs to find out a way to improve on that issue. If he can't or grows out of 154 then of course he should move up ..... but again, Canelo should not move up because people think that he is too big for 154 and its not fair for his opponents.

It's Floyd saying "Yes I'll fight this guy at 154, yes I'll fight that guy at 154. Canelo, NOPE, you gotta come down to 147. You too big and strong, need you drained." Lame as hell!

naw not an savior FMW fans are on that real talk and facts, me personaly still think floyd can beat Canelo at 154 it would be a rough start for maybe 5 rds with floyd winning 3 out of those 5 two for canelo and then he maybe stills another one in rd 6 or 7 then the rest is Mayweather, Canelo show stamina problems every long fight. but i think if these bigger guys call out floyd bigger guys should be able to call out canelo and Martinez So now the Floyd fans are using Andre Ward as Floyd's savior now?? They did it with Martinez, now they're doing it with Canelo wow. Now the argument is that Canelo who campaigns at 154 should go to 168, (2) weight classes above anywhere he's ever competed because a Floyd fan feels that the 2 time jr middleweight champ should be allowed to duck a real jr middleweight??:nonono:

Wheres the Canelo fans at to defend this? How come Canelo can cherry pick and get past the 2 most avoided fighters in his division but then blast Floyd for cherry picking?!When did Canelo demand a fighter come down drained??? And last I checked, Not only did Canelo negotiate with Kirkland and Williams, he also DEMANDED Trout and fought him. At least he tried to get 154 pounders but one backed out and sadly the other was seriously injured in a Bike accident. Nothing excuses Floyd for doing EXACTLY what he ATTACKED Pac for doing. This has nothing to do with Canelo....this has to do with Floyd demanding (Fill in name_____________154 pound champ to fight at 147 when Floyd fought for 2 titles at 154.

i'm sure he did know that. but his point is that alvarez should be fighting middleweights instead of welterweights.alvarez is young enough to make 154 although he kills himself to do it. he needs to stop ducking GGG who has called him and chavez jr out. he doesn't have a point because he doesn't understand how the game works. if canelo can make the weight healthy he has no reason to move up. to argue that he should be fighting middleweights or super middleweights is ignoring the fact that many of them also put on that same kind of weight. chavez jr is around 185 on fight night.

Floyd ducked many fighters, it's true but Canelo is doing the same thing! He's natural middleweight, he weighed 172 pounds against Trout... 172! Forget MW division, he should be fighting Ward for christ sake. I'm not Floyd's fan, never was and never will be but it's unfair for him to fight Super Middleweight. Floyd ducked Cotto, Manny, Margarito, PWill those are straight facts. But Canelo duckes GGG, Martinez, Ward, Kessler and others. He made the LMW limit and beat the number #1 ranked LMW. Floyd has a title at 154.....what's the issue?

Trout is the only top 5 154lber that Canelo has fought. Why does he deserve a fight with Floyd??? Because he did what was asked of him. He fought a top jr middleweight and won. If a man can get to fight Floyd 2 times after beating Berto, then the next biggest draw should get a shot beating a fighter infinitely better than Berto, bro. Or does he need to invite Berto to 154 beat him there, then (earn his shot that way)??

btw this is proabably why alvarez is in such a hurry to get mayweather next. pretty soon he will outgrow 154 and no way will - or should mayweather go to 160. That's what I think as well!

I say nothing considering HW has no weight limit But you've already shown you don't believe in the official weight class system anyway, from your comments it's about what you think is 'fair' on fight night. By that logic surely it is less fair to Haye (30lbs lighter) than it would be to Mayweather (20lbs lighter)? I don't agree, just playing devil's advocate. I think one has to accept the system as it is.

I'm certain MWs enter the ring at around that weight, it's now fashionable to call Canelo a SMW for some odd reason, or ask that he face Ward. For anyone that's willing to answer, how much longer does anyone think Canelo will be able to make 154 healthy? Is it possible that his decent stamina at this point in time is due to having to make '54? btw this is proabably why alvarez is in such a hurry to get mayweather next. pretty soon he will outgrow 154 and no way will - or should mayweather go to 160.

Yeah I did know that. So now please tell me why the fvck they fought at junior middleweight? They should fight at SMW, plain and simple. Just bring back same day weigh in that would clean all that mess Thats what ive been saying for the longest and posters here accusing me of being a Mayweather fan for saying it to justify his "duck" of Canelo. I aint no Mayweather fan but he does have a belt at 154; He gotta step up and fight this dude.

because they can both cut weight down to 154. you act like this is something new. true. weight "cutting" is common practice is all weight category combat sports that benefit from day before weigh-ins. how much weight the fighter cuts, or how well they perform after cutting is highly individual. floyd chooses not to cut. that's his choice. however, whilst mayweather is a "natural" welter he is definitely not a light-middle in comparision to canelo, trout etc who routinely rehydrate at least 15lbs before fight-time. not saying he should not fight canelo just pointing out the difference in size! same-day weighs are probably not feasible given the amount of money invested in a big-fight promotion; what happens if a fighter fails to make the weight and his opponent, who has made weight, elects not to go ahead with the fight at a weight disadvantage? This, more than the "fighter safety" aspects, is why weigh-ins are day before imo.

It seems you don't believe in the validity of weight divisions in boxing. So what do you say to Wlad who outweighed Haye by 30lbs on fight night? My position on Mayweather is that if isn't prepared to fight at 154 then he should tell everyone Canelo's too big, vacate his 154lb belt move down to 147lbs and never darken the door of the JMW division again. Darken the door??? Canelo is the WBC Jr MW champion. How many top contenders has he defended it against. He's calling out Floyd, for what??? Shouldn't he be pressured to fight Cotto, Angulo, Lara, and Kirkland??? I don't see him beating any of them except Angulo. Why does he get a pass???

Floyd is the only fighter who is accused of cherry picking and ducking the same fighter. He ducks the fighter until the fight is signed and then it's a cherry pick.

So now the Floyd fans are using Andre Ward as Floyd's savior now?? They did it with Martinez, now they're doing it with Canelo wow. Now the argument is that Canelo who campaigns at 154 should go to 168, (2) weight classes above anywhere he's ever competed because a Floyd fan feels that the 2 time jr middleweight champ should be allowed to duck a real jr middleweight??:nonono: Trout is the only top 5 154lber that Canelo has fought. Why does he deserve a fight with Floyd???