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My point was, i dont believe Pac is above criticism. That is all. IMO if you are fighting for another mans title, it shouldnt be at a catch weight. I give Pac full credit for what he has achieved.

Where the heck does the saying Manny had to many catchweight fights. Looking at his resume he's only had three since 2008. One versus Cotto, who like many said was already coming at the ring at that weight and nevermind, his body looked in excellent condition. He fought Margarito at 150, but Margarito fought his whole career at welterweight so I can hadly see how this is a problem. And then Marquez, and that catch weight fight was to benefit Marquez not Manny. So why are people pretending Manny's whole welterweight career consists of catchweight fights, when in reality they don't.

Cotto weighed less than 147 for 5 of his 9 welterweight bouts up to that point. He ranged from 145 to 146.5. Those two pounds made absolutely no difference. DLH fought Forbes before Manny at 150. His fault. Hatton, was at his natural 140 when Manny wrecked him. Floyd made Hatton go up to 147 where he looked like **** and by the estimation of many, lost to Collazo. Marquez, Manny fought him three times at JMMs best weights. Mosley, **** fights for both guys To be fair, all things have been taken into consideration. Why did Pac have Cotto at a catch weight then? What has Oscar fighting Forbes have to do with anything? Hatton was getting rocked by Lazcano after Floyd, so i believe Floyd stoppage did effect Hatton. What about Floyd beating Oscar at 154? Pac did fight JMM at a catch weight. And IMO JMM beat him 4 times.

But to be fair you have to add catch weights, fighters moving up or down in weight and who beat who first. These things do make a difference. Cotto weighed less than 147 for 5 of his 9 welterweight bouts up to that point. He ranged from 145 to 146.5. Those two pounds made absolutely no difference. DLH fought Forbes before Manny at 150. His fault. Hatton, was at his natural 140 when Manny wrecked him. Floyd made Hatton go up to 147 where he looked like **** and by the estimation of many, lost to Collazo. Marquez, Manny fought him three times at JMMs best weights. Mosley, **** fights for both guys To be fair, all things have been taken into consideration.

DLH- Manny by stoppage, Floyd by sd Hatton-Manny by KO2, Floyd by KO10 Marquez-Floyd by ud, Manny by draw, sd, md, KO by Mosley-Manny by 120-107, 120-108, 119-108 including a knockdown, Floyd 119-109x2, 118-110 Cotto- Manny TKO 12, Floyd ud But to be fair you have to add catch weights, fighters moving up or down in weight and who beat who first. These things do make a difference.

Ive always been a Pac fan and pretty much hated Floyd. But at the same time always believed Floyd is the better boxer by quite some distance. Pac deserves to get criticism for all those damn catch weights. The people who say Manny has done nothing special arent worth making threads about. All those damn catchweights? You mean a whole 2 fights? lol, wow. I guess by your estimation, Mannys career consists of three whole fights.

Ive always been a Pac fan and pretty much hated Floyd. But at the same time always believed Floyd is the better boxer by quite some distance. Pac deserves to get criticism for all those damn catch weights. The people who say Manny has done nothing special arent worth making threads about.

Can't completely agree with you on that. Once they both got to that top level, their paths were VERY similiar. (I personally will put them about even) You can play devil's advocate and pick your common opponent statement apart. Floyd made JMM look like it was the first time he had ever boxed, where Manny went life and death with him, 3 times, and got KO'd the 4th time, Manny gets the nod with Cotto, and dammit i thought he KILLED Hatton lol but he also fought Hatton almost a year after Floyd, the same with Oscar, and drained him to 145, when Floyd fought him at 154. I respect your opinion, but i got em even DLH- Manny by stoppage, Floyd by sd Hatton-Manny by KO2, Floyd by KO10 Marquez-Floyd by ud, Manny by draw, sd, md, KO by Mosley-Manny by 120-107, 120-108, 119-108 including a knockdown, Floyd 119-109x2, 118-110 Cotto- Manny TKO 12, Floyd ud

Manny beat every common opponent better. No way Floyd is better achievement wise or career wise. He may have the better all around talent, but that means nothing when you're not using it against the best possible opposition or you'd agree that Canelo pummeling Lopez was one of the greatest performances of all time. You can chime in here if you'd like. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596241 Can't completely agree with you on that. Once they both got to that top level, their paths were VERY similiar. (I personally will put them about even) You can play devil's advocate and pick your common opponent statement apart. Floyd made JMM look like it was the first time he had ever boxed, where Manny went life and death with him, 3 times, and got KO'd the 4th time, Manny gets the nod with Cotto, and dammit i thought he KILLED Hatton lol but he also fought Hatton almost a year after Floyd, the same with Oscar, and drained him to 145, when Floyd fought him at 154. I respect your opinion, but i got em even

oh, you are one of those trianlge theory fans? How does Pac beat the guys more impressive? Its there style of fighting. Are you saying that Pac's KO is automatically better than a clear 12 round shutout or near shutout? Its there styles. You then also have to factor in that Pac fought most of those guys after Floyd fought them. Then Pac just got KTFO by JMM and alot of people think he lost the other 3 fights while Floyd dominated him. Dont just pull things to make your argument fit when they are not true. Also, no on in the world would call Floyd great if his resume was filled with a bunch of Lopez's. Its not true and you know it Not a triangle fan at all. Try again. Common opponents DLH Hatton Marquez Mosley Cotto Lets see your statement again. You then also have to factor in that Pac fought most of those guys after Floyd fought them. DLH-Floyd Hatton-Floyd Marquez-Manny Mosley-Floyd Cotto-Manny Most? Uh, No. Just one more. To say most is indicating there is a wide range of difference. It was just one fighter. Now here is how "most" works. Manny beat most common opponents in a more dominant fashion. DLH- Manny by stoppage, Floyd by sd Hatton-Manny by KO2, Floyd by KO10 Marquez-Floyd by ud, Manny by draw, sd, md, KO by Mosley-Manny by 120-107, 120-108, 119-108 including a knockdown, Floyd 119-109x2, 118-110 Cotto- Manny TKO 12, Floyd ud See the difference? Heres another of your comments, Dont just pull things to make your argument fit when they are not true. Try it sometime.

Manny beat every common opponent better. No way Floyd is better achievement wise or career wise. He may have the better all around talent, but that means nothing when you're not using it against the best possible opposition or you'd agree that Canelo pummeling Lopez was one of the greatest performances of all time. You can chime in here if you'd like. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596241 oh, you are one of those trianlge theory fans? How does Pac beat the guys more impressive? Its there style of fighting. Are you saying that Pac's KO is automatically better than a clear 12 round shutout or near shutout? Its there styles. You then also have to factor in that Pac fought most of those guys after Floyd fought them. Then Pac just got KTFO by JMM and alot of people think he lost the other 3 fights while Floyd dominated him. Dont just pull things to make your argument fit when they are not true. Also, no on in the world would call Floyd great if his resume was filled with a bunch of Lopez's. Its not true and you know it

Dont put me in that group at all. Im a boxing fan. Ive been on this site and Ive been in boxing. Im a Floyd fan but am also a huge Pac fan and I gave Floyd just as much hell for the fight not happening. Pac is an ATG and that cant be disputed IMO. I think Floyd is better and should be ranked higher but it is possible to like both, you know Manny beat every common opponent better. No way Floyd is better achievement wise or career wise. He may have the better all around talent, but that means nothing when you're not using it against the best possible opposition or you'd agree that Canelo pummeling Lopez was one of the greatest performances of all time. You can chime in here if you'd like. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596241

man i hate these threads -.- Thank you for your contribution. More importantly, a bigger thanks for keeping it at the top!!!!!!:wave: You are greatly appreciated.

Not from you and the other moronic gaggle of bumsniff's, he wasnt. Dont put me in that group at all. Im a boxing fan. Ive been on this site and Ive been in boxing. Im a Floyd fan but am also a huge Pac fan and I gave Floyd just as much hell for the fight not happening. Pac is an ATG and that cant be disputed IMO. I think Floyd is better and should be ranked higher but it is possible to like both, you know

man i hate these threads -.-

are you going to do this for every Floyd thread? The truth is that Pac was getting way more credit than Floyd until recently and you know thats true Not from you and the other moronic gaggle of bumsniff's, he wasnt.

Manny Pacquiaos achievements whereas a small segment of boxing fans do nothing but try to write off what hes done as insignificant? To hear this small group tell it, Manny has done nothing special in his 18 years of professional fighting. Every achievement was apparently handed to him and set up for him to succeed. :wave: You just answered your own question, That small segment is the people that are Mayweather fanatics, or just trolling to stir up the Pac fanatics. Manny is a great fighter, but just like Floyd he should be ridiculed for pick of opponents as well. It is overlooked; (especially on here) Pac was called out by P-Will, and Sergio but on here you only hear that Mayweather "ducked them. Nobody questions that he mostly if not only fights Top Rank guys, Pac doesn't get too much blame for the "Big Fight" not being made. (I personally blame Arum more than Pac in that 1 though) With all that said you have to still appreciate what Pac has done.

are you going to do this for every Floyd thread? The truth is that Pac was getting way more credit than Floyd until recently and you know thats true 1. If I feel like it. 2. He deserved it.

are you going to do this for every Floyd thread? The truth is that Pac was getting way more credit than Floyd until recently and you know thats true

Every fighter has a group of people small or large which discredits his accomplishments. That said i never heard anyone say manny hasnt done anything special at all, not a single person. But to pretend the catchweights and whatnot doesnt diminish some his achievments is ridiculous. Still an atg though, obviously.. You have obviously not been reading these boards then. Its rampant. and no, catchweights have been going on in boxing long before Manny was even born. Nobody, ever, in any era complained about catchweights. When Floyd fought Marquez, not a single Floyd fan complained about it.