MayDay ShowPPV, less than 1M PPV buys?

"Comments Thread For: Schaefer: Mayweather PPV Will Do Over 1 Million Buys" Quote: ....If you take the revenues generated.... if you start adding all those numbers up, you have revenues in the realm of 90M or something like that You say Greenburg is a liar and doesn't know the ppv business... You say Iole and Raefel know the numbers on Tuesday before Schaefer... I've been pleading with you to withhold judgement... but you continue to troll. If Schaefer is right then approx. 56M came from ppv HD... another 21M came from ppv SD.... 9.9M for Gate.... leaving 3.1M for international and closed circuit.... So Canelo trolls.... is it possible that you were wrong about this fight tanking? We will know for sure in a couple days Come on man, you're so desperate to convince us this didn't bomb you put out a long story with main protagonist missing, when it comes to who gets the biggest share of the pot.

isn't Greenberg the same guy who said it was Floyd who held up the PAC fight? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android "Comments Thread For: Schaefer: Mayweather PPV Will Do Over 1 Million Buys" Quote: ....If you take the revenues generated.... if you start adding all those numbers up, you have revenues in the realm of 90M or something like that You say Greenburg is a liar and doesn't know the ppv business... You say Iole and Raefel know the numbers on Tuesday before Schaefer... I've been pleading with you to withhold judgement... but you continue to troll. If Schaefer is right then approx. 56M came from ppv HD... another 21M came from ppv SD.... 9.9M for Gate.... leaving 3.1M for international and closed circuit.... So Canelo trolls.... is it possible that you were wrong about this fight tanking? We will know for sure in a couple days

You overlooked something big. 1/2 of the PPV revenue goes to the carriers, like cable companies etc. so if the PPV generates 60 million, the promotion only gets 30 million If it only generated 60M.... you don't believe it did.... I've been on record saying it did way more (contrary to Iole and Raefel) Can you get your facts straight.... and stop trolling. Source: http://www.secondsout.com/ringside/the-business-of-boxing/the-abcs-of-pay-per-view (generally 50% of gross goes to the local cable operator although such percentage differs based upon the marketability of the event and the desire of the cable company to possess the ability to sell the event to its local cable subscribers) You know good and damn well distribution for this fight didn't get 50%. If you think Showtime and Mayweather Promotions gave up 50% in gross ppv for this fight you are delusional.

So do the people laughing about the PPV bombing realise they look like gullible retards at this stage yet?

isn't Greenberg the same guy who said it was Floyd who held up the PAC fight? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Show me your source... troll

if you did your homework you would know that the cable and satellite operators get half of the ppv money. Know your **** before you open your mouth.... Ross Greenburg has forgotten more about ppv than any 100 people in this silly blog will ever know! Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view HBO Sports President Ross Greenburg calls the expansion of pay-per-view "the biggest economic issue in boxing" and says: "I can't tell you that pay-per-view helps the sport because it doesn't. It hurts the sport because it narrows our audience, but it's a fact of life. Every time we try to make an HBO World Championship Boxing fight, we're up against mythical pay-per-view numbers. HBO doesn't make a lot of money from pay-per-view. There's usually a cap on what we can make. But the promoters and fighters insist on pay-per-view because that's where their greatest profits lie." yeah... lecture me on homework...

it tells me Oscar didn't fight in the social media era. context pal. try using it. So he goes from 900000 in 2006 to 2.5 million in 2007 and you're talking about using context. Not to mention 2006 is in the “social media era". There's more streaming nowadays so I think that offsets your social media cop out. Nice try though. This also doesn't explain Manny's numbers during this “social media era”. By the way, I'm not arguing that Floyd is a bigger star than Oscar because its not true. But it's clear that 1 million buys is an accomplishment in this sport that few stars can achieve consistently.

it tells me Oscar didn't fight in the social media era. context pal. try using it. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Neither did Tyson. You honestly believe twitter and facebook alone generate hundreds of thousands of PPV sales? Especially for a niche sport like boxing? :lol1: Do you have any evidence to back this claim up, or are you just assuming shit because "hey, it kind of makes sense".

I posted this in another thread but thought it would fit here as well. Floyd and Pacman are the biggest draws in the sport by far. Its very hard to do over a million buys with a fighter no one knows. Oscar was the biggest draw ever (around the lower weights) and he missed 1 million buys numerous times. Lets take a look at some of their numbers to put things in perspective. 9/14/2002- Oscar v Vargas 935,000 9/13/2003- Oscar v. Mosley 2 950,000 9/18/2004- Oscar v. Hopkins 1 million 5/6/2006- Oscar v. Mayorga 925,000 5/5/2007- Oscar v. Floyd 2.5 million 3/13/2010- Pac v. Clottey 700,000 6/9/2012- Pac v. Bradley 700,000 11/14/2009- Pac v. Cotto 1.2 million What does that tell you? Now I agree with most that Floyd should fight Canelo next but people act like under 1 million buys against Guerrero is a failure. it tells me Oscar didn't fight in the social media era. context pal. try using it. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Quote: Originally Posted by mconstantine Public Relations was my minor so I can recognize a good spin when I see it...and this was brilliant! LMAO I am as much of a fan of Floyd as anybody but his balls are lodged deep, DEEP in your throat right now. 900K when you've been averaging well over 1M is not good. Numbers don't lie. You can't spin that. Don't understand why folks are getting so offended about calling out dismal PPV numbers. As a fan, I like it because it may force Floyd to fight more viable opponents. Stop being so sensitive. Y'all ain't getting any of that PPV money. Looks like you should brush up on your PR minor... since you're having a hard time discerning spin from fact. Not to put too harsh a point to it but you lack understanding when you describe a 900K buy rate "dismal". Can you and I agree that Ross Greenburg knows a little more about the ppv business than any 100 people we could pick in this silly chat room? Essentially what your saying is that Ross Greenburg: - has no idea what the hell he is doing.... - that he was caught off guard with this fight.... - that he has no idea how to evaluate the ppv business to produce a profitable event.... Do you realize that what your saying is your thoughts and ideas on this subject are more credible than Ross Greenburg? Consider Mr. Greenburg's opinion regarding ppv... you can find the information below from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view "......only one pay-per-view mega-fight took place in 2006: De La Hoya-Mayorga (925,000 buys). Rahman-Maskaev bombed with under 50,000. The other eight PPV cards all fell in the 325,000–450,000 range. Pay-per-view fights in that range almost always generate more money for the promoter and fighters than HBO wants to pay for an HBO World Championship Boxing license-fee" ALSO... "HBO Sports President Ross Greenburg calls the expansion of pay-per-view "the biggest economic issue in boxing" and says: "I can't tell you that pay-per-view helps the sport because it doesn't. It hurts the sport because it narrows our audience, but it's a fact of life. Every time we try to make an HBO World Championship Boxing fight, we're up against mythical pay-per-view numbers. HBO doesn't make a lot of money from pay-per-view. There's usually a cap on what we can make. But the promoters and fighters insist on pay-per-view because that's where their greatest profits lie." BTW... you do know Mr. Greenburg is now with Showtime... http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...ed-by-showtime But... of course... it's probably just a coincidence that the announcement of Greenburg's hiring came around the same time as Floyd announcing his new Showtime deal. isn't Greenberg the same guy who said it was Floyd who held up the PAC fight? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

I posted this in another thread but thought it would fit here as well. Floyd and Pacman are the biggest draws in the sport by far. Its very hard to do over a million buys with a fighter no one knows. Oscar was the biggest draw ever (around the lower weights) and he missed 1 million buys numerous times. Lets take a look at some of their numbers to put things in perspective. 9/14/2002- Oscar v Vargas 935,000 9/13/2003- Oscar v. Mosley 2 950,000 9/18/2004- Oscar v. Hopkins 1 million 5/6/2006- Oscar v. Mayorga 925,000 5/5/2007- Oscar v. Floyd 2.5 million 3/13/2010- Pac v. Clottey 700,000 6/9/2012- Pac v. Bradley 700,000 11/14/2009- Pac v. Cotto 1.2 million What does that tell you? Now I agree with most that Floyd should fight Canelo next but people act like under 1 million buys against Guerrero is a failure. i don't think anybody is saying the numbers aren't good by normal standards...the numbers are not good for showtime based on what mayweather's deal is. they lost millions on this fight. it was a complete failure for them.

I posted this in another thread but thought it would fit here as well. Floyd and Pacman are the biggest draws in the sport by far. Its very hard to do over a million buys with a fighter no one knows. Oscar was the biggest draw ever (around the lower weights) and he missed 1 million buys numerous times. Lets take a look at some of their numbers to put things in perspective. 9/14/2002- Oscar v Vargas 935,000 9/13/2003- Oscar v. Mosley 2 950,000 9/18/2004- Oscar v. Hopkins 1 million 5/6/2006- Oscar v. Mayorga 925,000 5/5/2007- Oscar v. Floyd 2.5 million 3/13/2010- Pac v. Clottey 700,000 6/9/2012- Pac v. Bradley 700,000 11/14/2009- Pac v. Cotto 1.2 million What does that tell you? Now I agree with most that Floyd should fight Canelo next but people act like under 1 million buys against Guerrero is a failure.

How come nobody does their homework... all they do is read an article and regurgitate it... .... less than 1M ppv buys a failure .... 1.1 - 1.2 to break-even Let me do the math for you: Even at 800,000 ppv buys at the lowest buy rate of $59.95 ($69.95 HD) we have ppv revenue of 48M... add the live gate of 9.9M... we are at 57.9M. Now include revenue from (Assume an extremely conservative 2M): -Corporate sponsorships: AT&T, Corona, O'Reilys Auto Parts, Valvoline, Star Trek Into Darkness -Advertising revenue -MGM Grand Garden Fees to host the event (yup... if you didn't know they pay to host) -Food & Beverage Sales -other concessions like shirts and hats We are looking at a fight that generated $60M.... conservative. -less 32M for Money -less 3M for Guerrero leaves $25M (at the suggested 1.2M break-even mark... this fight generated $84M leaving $49M to pay the bills.....) All the while you have Iole and Raefel claiming the event was a bust and Showtime is losing money because the early projections (not even the official ppv numbers) are under 1M buys. I believe that every makes money at 800k - 900K and if I am Showtime I can live with that. The media, and GBP did their best to make Guerrero seem like he had a chance. ODL... playing promoter did his best to convince us that Guerrero's style would take Floyd out of his game plan. Fight fans knew better... Contrary to popular belief... the sky is not falling in Showtime or Mayweather's world.... the media only wants you to think it is. You overlooked something big. 1/2 of the PPV revenue goes to the carriers, like cable companies etc. so if the PPV generates 60 million, the promotion only gets 30 million

Please Forgot? More like left out.... because I don't believe I am able to effectively comment on those facets. I can say that the Broadcaster (Showtime) makes very little on ppv... and distribution (cable, dish, ect....) have made up to 45% of ppv revenues. Here is your opportunity to contribute something meaningful to the conversation... so suddenly the pot gets a lot smaller

How come nobody does their homework... all they do is read an article and regurgitate it... .... less than 1M ppv buys a failure .... 1.1 - 1.2 to break-even Let me do the math for you: Even at 800,000 ppv buys at the lowest buy rate of $59.95 ($69.95 HD) we have ppv revenue of 48M... add the live gate of 9.9M... we are at 57.9M. Now include revenue from (Assume an extremely conservative 2M): -Corporate sponsorships: AT&T, Corona, O'Reilys Auto Parts, Valvoline, Star Trek Into Darkness -Advertising revenue -MGM Grand Garden Fees to host the event (yup... if you didn't know they pay to host) -Food & Beverage Sales -other concessions like shirts and hats We are looking at a fight that generated $60M.... conservative. -less 32M for Money -less 3M for Guerrero leaves $25M (at the suggested 1.2M break-even mark... this fight generated $84M leaving $49M to pay the bills.....) All the while you have Iole and Raefel claiming the event was a bust and Showtime is losing money because the early projections (not even the official ppv numbers) are under 1M buys. I believe that every makes money at 800k - 900K and if I am Showtime I can live with that. The media, and GBP did their best to make Guerrero seem like he had a chance. ODL... playing promoter did his best to convince us that Guerrero's style would take Floyd out of his game plan. Fight fans knew better... Contrary to popular belief... the sky is not falling in Showtime or Mayweather's world.... the media only wants you to think it is. if you did your homework you would know that the cable and satellite operators get half of the ppv money.

PleaseNice thorough breakdown, you only forgot the share taken by DirecTV, Comcast, Dish, Uverse... You also forgot Showtime gets none of the gate, concessions and all of that, that's for the promoter. However given that SHO is GBP's house network, you're probably morally right. Forgot? More like left out.... because I don't believe I am able to effectively comment on those facets. I can say that the Broadcaster (Showtime) makes very little on ppv... and distribution (cable, dish, ect....) have made up to 45% of ppv revenues. Here is your opportunity to contribute something meaningful to the conversation...

Nice thorough breakdown, you only forgot the share taken by DirecTV, Comcast, Dish, Uverse... You also forgot Showtime gets none of the gate, concessions and all of that, that's for the promoter. However given that SHO is GBP's house network, you're probably morally right. Dont you know? Floyd fans are financial advisers, financial insiders, and manage huge sums of money on a daily basis so they know what they're talking about. Surely that gentleman isn't posting a bunch of gibberish. :rofl:

How come nobody does their homework... all they do is read an article and regurgitate it... .... less than 1M ppv buys a failure .... 1.1 - 1.2 to break-even Let me do the math for you: Even at 800,000 ppv buys at the lowest buy rate of $59.95 ($69.95 HD) we have ppv revenue of 48M... add the live gate of 9.9M... we are at 57.9M. Now include revenue from (Assume an extremely conservative 2M): -Corporate sponsorships: AT&T, Corona, O'Reilys Auto Parts, Valvoline, Star Trek Into Darkness -Advertising revenue -MGM Grand Garden Fees to host the event (yup... if you didn't know they pay to host) -Food & Beverage Sales -other concessions like shirts and hats We are looking at a fight that generated $60M.... conservative. -less 32M for Money -less 3M for Guerrero leaves $25M (at the suggested 1.2M break-even mark... this fight generated $84M leaving $49M to pay the bills.....) All the while you have Iole and Raefel claiming the event was a bust and Showtime is losing money because the early projections (not even the official ppv numbers) are under 1M buys. I believe that every makes money at 800k - 900K and if I am Showtime I can live with that. The media, and GBP did their best to make Guerrero seem like he had a chance. ODL... playing promoter did his best to convince us that Guerrero's style would take Floyd out of his game plan. Fight fans knew better... Contrary to popular belief... the sky is not falling in Showtime or Mayweather's world.... the media only wants you to think it is. Nice thorough breakdown, you only forgot the share taken by DirecTV, Comcast, Dish, Uverse... You also forgot Showtime gets none of the gate, concessions and all of that, that's for the promoter. However given that SHO is GBP's house network, you're probably morally right.

.....But regardless, 900k is a huge success, unless you're paying a 32m guarantee and your break even point is 1.1-1.2. I don't know if either of those figures is correct, but just for illustration sake. Hell, 1.5m can be a bust with a guarantee high enough How come nobody does their homework... all they do is read an article and regurgitate it... .... less than 1M ppv buys a failure .... 1.1 - 1.2 to break-even Let me do the math for you: Even at 800,000 ppv buys at the lowest buy rate of $59.95 ($69.95 HD) we have ppv revenue of 48M... add the live gate of 9.9M... we are at 57.9M. Now include revenue from (Assume an extremely conservative 2M): -Corporate sponsorships: AT&T, Corona, O'Reilys Auto Parts, Valvoline, Star Trek Into Darkness -Advertising revenue -MGM Grand Garden Fees to host the event (yup... if you didn't know they pay to host) -Food & Beverage Sales -other concessions like shirts and hats We are looking at a fight that generated $60M.... conservative. -less 32M for Money -less 3M for Guerrero leaves $25M (at the suggested 1.2M break-even mark... this fight generated $84M leaving $49M to pay the bills.....) All the while you have Iole and Raefel claiming the event was a bust and Showtime is losing money because the early projections (not even the official ppv numbers) are under 1M buys. I believe that every makes money at 800k - 900K and if I am Showtime I can live with that. The media, and GBP did their best to make Guerrero seem like he had a chance. ODL... playing promoter did his best to convince us that Guerrero's style would take Floyd out of his game plan. Fight fans knew better... Contrary to popular belief... the sky is not falling in Showtime or Mayweather's world.... the media only wants you to think it is.

Looks like you should brush up on your PR minor... since you're having a hard time discerning spin from fact. Not to put too harsh a point to it but you lack understanding when you describe a 900K buy rate "dismal". Can you and I agree that Ross Greenburg knows a little more about the ppv business than any 100 people we could pick in this silly chat room? Essentially what your saying is that Ross Greenburg: - has no idea what the hell he is doing.... - that he was caught off guard with this fight.... - that he has no idea how to evaluate the ppv business to produce a profitable event.... Do you realize that what your saying is your thoughts and ideas on this subject are more credible than Ross Greenburg? Consider Mr. Greenburg's opinion regarding ppv... you can find the information below from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view "......only one pay-per-view mega-fight took place in 2006: De La Hoya-Mayorga (925,000 buys). Rahman-Maskaev bombed with under 50,000. The other eight PPV cards all fell in the 325,000–450,000 range. Pay-per-view fights in that range almost always generate more money for the promoter and fighters than HBO wants to pay for an HBO World Championship Boxing license-fee" ALSO... "HBO Sports President Ross Greenburg calls the expansion of pay-per-view "the biggest economic issue in boxing" and says: "I can't tell you that pay-per-view helps the sport because it doesn't. It hurts the sport because it narrows our audience, but it's a fact of life. Every time we try to make an HBO World Championship Boxing fight, we're up against mythical pay-per-view numbers. HBO doesn't make a lot of money from pay-per-view. There's usually a cap on what we can make. But the promoters and fighters insist on pay-per-view because that's where their greatest profits lie." BTW... you do know Mr. Greenburg is now with Showtime... http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/3467/ross-greenburg-hired-by-showtime But... of course... it's probably just a coincidence that the announcement of Greenburg's hiring came around the same time as Floyd announcing his new Showtime deal.:wave: I don't know why we should be impressed, Greenburg was fired by HBO for locking them into an output deal with overpriced, uncompetitive fight. A real gain for Showtime. But regardless, 900k is a huge success, unless you're paying a 32m guarantee and your break even point is 1.1-1.2. I don't know if either of those figures is correct, but just for illustration sake. Hell, 1.5m can be a bust with a guarantee high enough