How many fights does Wlad have left?

I respectably disagree. Haye doesn't have a good inside game. He never fights inside, he can't just all of the sudden become an inside boxer. But even if he can I don't think that helps a lot. Wlad has exceptionally precise short hooks. Haye would be in great dangerous if he becomes open once inside. On top of that Haye himself admitted he can't do much inside as Wlad is physically just too strong for him. Haye is an ambush fighter and stylistically Wlad is the worst possible match-up for him. Doesn't matter what he does tactically he can't beat Wlad. So again there is a puncher's chance left... 2% or 10% it doesn't matter as it won't happen. If they ever fight again it will be either wide UD or Haye is getting knocked out. Well Haye fought well on the inside vs guys like Fragomeni, Barrett, Ruiz and most recently Chisora. I agree Wlad is too strong for him, but not if he played by the book. That's why Haye should ignore the rules, because Wlad doesn't really follow them anyway. As I said, I believe Wlad will win again, but I see Haye's chances better now than they were in '11.

The Klitschko's are super fit super heavies, something the world never saw before. They would humiliate any of the past champs. I remember a certain Lennox Lewis who might have something to say about that.

as many as he wants it's been yrs since Wlad took any serious punishment the guy barely ever loses even a single rd he always stays in shape too, not much damage on him even his KO losses weren't terrible beatings, he just got stopped Wlad can reign until he gets bored or his body betrays him

Wlad never avenged his loss against Saunders, he was shook to step back in the ring Also lets not forget Puritty Fact is the HW division sucks Its full of D-rate fighters, who look flabby sick. The smaller divisions are packed with competition with guys who push their body to the limit The Ghost>>>>any fat sloppy HW I give credit to Wlad for keeping fit, I even give credit to Haye for training hard, but he is stilla CW pretending to be a HW and being better than 99% of todays HWs. The HW's use to take pride in their bodies, a lot of these guys should not be in the ring The Klitschko's are super fit super heavies, something the world never saw before. They would humiliate any of the past champs.

i'm not under the impression Haye would win a rematch. I have stated many times that Wlad's style is all wrong for Haye, including before they fought. Vitali's more static style suits Haye a lot better and that was always the fight he should have taken. Wlad is faster than people think, incl Haye. That being said, there's a chance of an upset and it's certainly more than the 2% Simurgh is giving it. Yes, that was pretty much Haye at his worst. Haye was far more confident in any of the fights you mentioned, he moved better (not in the Ruiz fight when he was slightly out of shape coming in at 222 pounds or something crazy like that). Haye has proven himself against many tall fighters in the past. Valuev, Gurov, Audley to name a few - the thing is, neither of those three or anyone else for that matter has the skillset that Wlad possesses. So he could KO all the tall guys in the division within 3 rounds, it still wouldn't help him against Wlad. What he should do, is be willing to take more risks. Land that left jab and rough Wlad up. If he holds, he gives him a rabbit punch or a punch to the ribs or try an uppercut. He should focus a lot more on his inside game, because when you get on Wlad's chest, you will take away his best weapon - the jab. Landing short right hands to Wlad's chin would really test him and Haye is probably the best finisher in the division, once he has someone hurt. For the record, I don't see how you can say Wlad was close to KOing Haye, when he wasn't even slightly hurt in the fight. Wlad, however, did buckle 2 inches (you could see he was the same height as Haye) in that 3rd round. Following up with aggression would be key here, because Wlad doesn't fight out of trouble. He holds and clinches and leans. I respectably disagree. Haye doesn't have a good inside game. He never fights inside, he can't just all of the sudden become an inside boxer. But even if he can I don't think that helps a lot. Wlad has exceptionally precise short hooks. Haye would be in great dangerous if he becomes open once inside. On top of that Haye himself admitted he can't do much inside as Wlad is physically just too strong for him. Haye is an ambush fighter and stylistically Wlad is the worst possible match-up for him. Doesn't matter what he does tactically he can't beat Wlad. So again there is a puncher's chance left... 2% or 10% it doesn't matter as it won't happen. If they ever fight again it will be either wide UD or Haye is getting knocked out.

Unlike Floyd, Wlad has never ducked anyone. Wladimir Klitschko is a greater champion than Floyd Mayweather. Wlad never avenged his loss against Saunders, he was shook to step back in the ring Also lets not forget Puritty Fact is the HW division sucks Its full of D-rate fighters, who look flabby sick. The smaller divisions are packed with competition with guys who push their body to the limit The Ghost>>>>any fat sloppy HW I give credit to Wlad for keeping fit, I even give credit to Haye for training hard, but he is stilla CW pretending to be a HW and being better than 99% of todays HWs. The HW's use to take pride in their bodies, a lot of these guys should not be in the ring

Wlad's chin is as bad as it ever was. He's been stunned from single shots in 3 of his last 5 fights: Haye, Wach and now Pinata. The question is: can anyone land a followup shot? If Wlad slows down just a hair he is a dead man. He will NEVER fight Haye again. Trust that. http://i.minus.com/i3PWORHx35Ihk.gif What exactly does 'stunned' mean? The reason that Haye shot didn't hurt him is because It was a slap. Haye connected, but that was at the end of his punch, while Wlad was moving backward. That's basically why all of Haye's punches had no big effect on Wlad. He had a hard time connecting clean. He was catching Wlad at the end of his punches because he could not get inside.

Based on Wlad's recent competition level, he could easily keep doing this for another 5 or so years. Pianetta, Mormeck, Wach....these guys are complete no hopers.

Wlads in his prime, so he still has many fights left in him Haye has yet to reach his prime as a HW, if he can put together say a 3 streak win over good opponents, he will grow as a boxer Fury is yet to reach his prime, although I don't think he will get any much better Price still has a question mark Wilder needs to learn how to throw punches Pulev is probs in his prime Chisora has to wipe away his ring rust

Why were they (and currently Showtime) so willing to show Floyd Mayweather? Your favorite fighter Floyd doesn't even TRY for a KO, he just runs and potshots to win dull decisions (unless he sees a chance to land a sucker punch). You have blatant double standards, Big Dunn. SO I'm the reason HBO/SHowtime put floyd on and not wlad? more fans watch floyd than wlad. Again, if wlad got ratings he'd be on. Period. Floyd gets ratings with or without a KO. WLad, without a KO, looked ****ty on HBO in his l;ast fight and that is likely driving their decision. Blame them not me. It seems the networks have the double standard. Take it up with them.

8.3 million in Germany on RTL, close to 9 million in Ukraine on INTER, many millions in other countries. Why does HBO show Seth Mitchell's fights? They were going to have Mitchell-Banks II on HBO. It would be like HBO showing Andrew Wawrzyk's next fight after he gets KOed by Povetkin or Francesco Pianeta's next fight. Russia 2, the UK's BoxNation, and Poland's PolSat show a lot of the world title fights in the USA. DOn't know. They find his fights appeal to the viewer and they are good fights before the main since he usually gets a KO. Thats part of the reason why I guess they were giving wlad the pre floyd slot. this is the most ridiculous thing I've read here on NSB. You really think HBO doesn't put him on because he's not black. If he got ratings or sold ppv's he'd be on. Geez Freedom. You and I know he stunk it up vs Haye. Face it dude until wlad makes it in the mecca of boxing he's really not that important. His value to HBO was as a marketing tool for floyd's ppv. Wlad's last chance on HBO was terrible. Yes Haye fought cowardly but wlad wasn't much better. Its hard to blame HBO for not putting him on again unless they know he gets a KO.

Wladimir's fight was shown in more countries around the world than Mayweather's fight. More than ten times as many people watched Wlad's fight as Floyd's. HBO is biased against the Klitschkos because (like you) the decision-makers at HBO (like Kery Davis) feel the heavyweight champion of the world should be an African-American. Wlad's fights usually end in exciting KOs, while Floyd runs and pot-shots to win boring decisions (unless he gets the opportunity for a sucker punch). This is the most ridiculous thing I've read here on NSB. You really think HBO doesn't put him on because he's not black. If he got ratings or sold ppv's he'd be on. Geez Freedom. You and I know he stunk it up vs Haye. Face it dude until wlad makes it in the mecca of boxing he's really not that important. His value to HBO was as a marketing tool for floyd's ppv. You dont know how many people watched his fight. If its on free TV in europe great for wlad. Maybe the Povetkin fight will be on HBO because its a decent matchup. The wilder fight or mitchell fights will be on HBO and fans will almost surely see wlad KTFO of both which should create interest in him.

Wladimir's fight was shown in more countries around the world than Mayweather's fight. More than ten times as many people watched Wlad's fight as Floyd's. HBO is biased against the Klitschkos because (like you) the decision-makers at HBO (like Kery Davis) feel the heavyweight champion of the world should be an African-American. Wlad's fights usually end in exciting KOs, while Floyd runs and pot-shots to win boring decisions (unless he gets the opportunity for a sucker punch). Of course he's not a PPV fighter - put him on PPV and see who gets most views. :wtf1: to that second thing in bold. They gave Wlad a shot numerous times. Unfortunately he chose to stink the place out.

Andrew, we're gonna have ourselves a good bet once this fight happens again. :wave: i'm not under the impression Haye would win a rematch. I have stated many times that Wlad's style is all wrong for Haye, including before they fought. Vitali's more static style suits Haye a lot better and that was always the fight he should have taken. Wlad is faster than people think, incl Haye. That being said, there's a chance of an upset and it's certainly more than the 2% Simurgh is giving it. 49/50=98/100 = 98% ;) I don't think that was Haye at his worse at all. He was better than in Valuev fight, I haven't seen much in Audley fight, Ruiz and Chisorra were good but those are small men comparing to Wlad. Haye was much faster actually and he fought a smart fight to be honest. If he pressured it more I really think he would be KOed. If the one that Wlad landed in 6th round was just a bit more clear Haye could have finished as Chambers. So unless Haye fights taller fighter (Tyson, Helenius - not that they are nowhere near Wlad's level) and shows that he can be as effective as against come forward smaller fighters I can't assume he possess something special to threat Wlad... As for Wach I don't think Wlad was that hurt. His reaction was just very good, not to engage till he is all recovered. He took big punches earlier as well (Chagaev, Thomspon...) And Wlad against Wach was very relaxed not worrying too much - keeping his hands down. Be sure it won't be same against Haye if the rematch ever happens. I don't know if you watched Wlad-Pianetta on SKY, Haye was commenting. Haye himself described why it's so hard to beat Wlad. He sounded pretty much like admitting he doesn't have much chance. I really don't see him being able to hit Wlad before being hit and no way he won't be outboxed. We are speaking about huge, fast, powerful, skilful, master of defense Wlad. That leaves those 2-3% - punchers chance - Haye has enough power to KO anyone including ATG HWs, I just don't think he would be anywhere close to be able to land clean. Yes, that was pretty much Haye at his worst. Haye was far more confident in any of the fights you mentioned, he moved better (not in the Ruiz fight when he was slightly out of shape coming in at 222 pounds or something crazy like that). Haye has proven himself against many tall fighters in the past. Valuev, Gurov, Audley to name a few - the thing is, neither of those three or anyone else for that matter has the skillset that Wlad possesses. So he could KO all the tall guys in the division within 3 rounds, it still wouldn't help him against Wlad. What he should do, is be willing to take more risks. Land that left jab and rough Wlad up. If he holds, he gives him a rabbit punch or a punch to the ribs or try an uppercut. He should focus a lot more on his inside game, because when you get on Wlad's chest, you will take away his best weapon - the jab. Landing short right hands to Wlad's chin would really test him and Haye is probably the best finisher in the division, once he has someone hurt. For the record, I don't see how you can say Wlad was close to KOing Haye, when he wasn't even slightly hurt in the fight. Wlad, however, did buckle 2 inches (you could see he was the same height as Haye) in that 3rd round. Following up with aggression would be key here, because Wlad doesn't fight out of trouble. He holds and clinches and leans.

Unlike Floyd, Wlad has never ducked anyone. Wladimir Klitschko is a greater champion than Floyd Mayweather. unlike floyd wladimir got KTFO by average fighters. but its heavyweight so its understandable. Wlad could've been on HBO as the opening fight for floyd this past weekend. Floyd goes to showtime and HBO doesn't show his fight. WHat a great champion.

Yup, won't be fighting past his forties. Maybe he could have one final farewell fight in the year of 2016, but that's as long as I expect him to go. It all depends on how his health and skillset hold on. If it starts to slide soon, then he will retire before losing a fight on it. IMO, he retires in 2015. 2 more this year against Povetkin, Pulev/Fury/Solis/Adamek. 3 more next year against Jennings/S. Mitchel, Wilder/Price/Fury/Haye, Helenius/Boytsov/Ortiz; 2 more in 2015 against Towers/Spilka/Mago, Medzidov/Camarelle/D. White

Unlike Floyd, Wlad has never ducked anyone. Wladimir Klitschko is a greater champion than Floyd Mayweather. I agree, Floyd spends most of his time trying to justify why some fights werent made and that it was everyones fault but his, to actually fight anyone, so Wlad is a better champion for actually fighting, rather than making excuses as to why he dont fight. But Floyd is a charity case and if he dont perform everyone will be pitying Floyd, please excuse Floyds poor performance as he is 36 years old you know and has had a year layoff.

Povetkin, Fury and Wilder and then retire. Who else is there really? Price seems like a really RAW version of Klitschko. He has the physical gifts but his skills aren't even comparable.

Floyd and his fan s think Floyd is so good that he can still do it at36, yet here is Wlad at 37 seemingly even better than ever and almost unbeatable now. Floyd has always been a charity case, poor lil Floyd. Unlike Floyd, Wlad has never ducked anyone. Wladimir Klitschko is a greater champion than Floyd Mayweather.

Wlad's chin is as bad as it ever was. He's been stunned from single shots in 3 of his last 5 fights: Haye, Wach and now Pinata. The question is: can anyone land a followup shot? If Wlad slows down just a hair he is a dead man. He will NEVER fight Haye again. Trust that. http://i.minus.com/i3PWORHx35Ihk.gif What a load of bollocks. Haye never had Wlad stunned. Wach actually had Wlad in more trouble momentarily than Haye ever had. Wlad's not been down since the first Peter fight, which is almost 8 years ago. He simply doesn't get hit anymore.