It's Canelo for me.
Mayweather has fought there 2 times in the past 5 years. Although his two wins were against #3 and #1 JMW's, both title holders there, his 154 resume is more of a part time thing, where he goes up only when there's no one available at 147 who could get him a better pay day.
Molina? He beat Cintron. Okay so did Canelo, in the same year, right after Molina and he actually stopped him.
He supposedly beat Lara and got robbed, he supposedly was on his way to beating Kirkland but no one likes to mention how Kirkland knocked him down and had him badly hurt. So hurt that Molina's corner stupidly came in before the round ended to attend Molina and help him stay on his feet on his way back to the corner. It was round 10, none of you know what was going to happen in the next two rounds. For all we know, Molina could have been knocked out.
Canelo's wins over Trout, Rhodes, Cintron, Mosley, Lopez and Gomez are comparable, or better than Molina's wins over Cintron, Lara*, Alvarado and Chavez Jr .
The same way he boxed circles around Vanes and a Carlos Molina that was coming off a 2 year lay-off?? :thinking: He was fuc%ing Vanes up until he quit, and like I say before he was not even a 50% against Molina and still busted up, keep on dismissing my boy Lara, there's a reason GB and Sulaiman has come out with so many eliminators
ok well if you are including Floyd on this then IM going to say that to me Sexy Sergio is the best at 154
he hasnt fought there in years but he was stripped
and Floyd fights once every 4 years at 154 and he is considered #1
Floyd gets raped by Maravilla at 154 so no Floyd isnt #1 at 154
that would be Sergio hands down
I dont care who you pick. I said I think Floyd is the best and I disagree with some who clearly thought Floyd was the best but didnt pick him for other reasons.
That doesnt mean everyone still thinks Floyd is the best even if included. There are alot of people who thinks he loses to the likes of Trout, Canelo, Lara, your boy Sergio, and whoever
How come so many people arent picking Floyd due to other things? That doesnt matter. The question is who is the best 154 pound fighter. To me that is Floyd. There is no way in hell you tell me that Molina beats Floyd. The question is not who belongs where or who is the 154 pound ring champ, or who should be ranked #1, etc......
It was just who is the best fighter and I think that is Floyd. I think if it was 154 pound tourney right now with everyone involved, Floyd would win.
ok well if you are including Floyd on this then IM going to say that to me Sexy Sergio is the best at 154
he hasnt fought there in years but he was stripped
and Floyd fights once every 4 years at 154 and he is considered #1
Floyd gets raped by Maravilla at 154 so no Floyd isnt #1 at 154
that would be Sergio hands down
How come so many people arent picking Floyd due to other things? That doesnt matter. The question is who is the best 154 pound fighter. To me that is Floyd. There is no way in hell you tell me that Molina beats Floyd. The question is not who belongs where or who is the 154 pound ring champ, or who should be ranked #1, etc......
It was just who is the best fighter and I think that is Floyd. I think if it was 154 pound tourney right now with everyone involved, Floyd would win.
As distasteful as I find his style, it's without a doubt Carlos Molina. Too bad things didn't play out fairly for him, although I always say it's difficult to keep a talented fighter out of the limelight, especially one as hungry as Molina, so I am expecting him to get another opportunity eventually. Now if we ignore the injustices he faced against Lara, Kirkland, I'll have to go with Canelo, not by much though. It's still up in the air, who the best is.
You do realized that to no fault of his own, Lara was not in good shape and the fight almost got cancelled because of a tooth infection, you remember shields training Rigondeaux in Ireland and Lara was by himself, on top of that he connected the best punches of the fight and had molina in queer street in the final rounds, it was a draw not because Molina was a hugging machine, instead for what Lara didn't do, none deserve to win that fight, a draw was fair, and against Kirkland he was really hurt and 6 minutes to go, by the way it was Molinas ppl the one in the ring, right?
Alvarez deserves to be the the # 1 154lb fighter with his win over Trout, but I wouldn't go as far to say that he's the best in the division. I rate Molina and Rosado higher than Baysangurov, Smith, Angulo, and Lara. I'm really not high on Lara, there is no doubt he has skills, but he has looked less than spectacular against his best competition when he fought Molina and Vanes.
I think Canelo vs Molina or Rosado are 50/50 fights. I doubt they happen and it looks like Rosado could stay at 160, but I would like to see Canelo face the Lara Angulo winner.
FYI I didn't bother mentioning Floyd because he's not a true JMW and no one knows if he'll still be campaigning at 154 after Guerrero.
Is this question gonna be asked following every notable LMW bout? cuz I remember Angry Cuban creating a similar thread after the Cotto/Trout fight. There's no "best" imho, there's just guys that are more proven than others. The only "elite" is Floyd, but I don't really classify him as a LMW.
Yes..he couldn't beat Vanes or Molina or Paul Williams but the judges here are like that and all those three are probably better than Canelo...
Vanes better then Canelo? :thinking:
I hate Molinas style but the man clearly beat Lara, so I cant see how Lara could be ahead
He was also robbed of a win in the Kirkland and mike Alvarado fights. He is also very avoided at 154, it's great to see smith give him a shot he has long deserved
........couldn't beat vanes or molina
Yes..he couldn't beat Vanes or Molina or Paul Williams but the judges here are like that and all those three are probably better than Canelo...
I love that Ishe said he'd give Molina a chance and then kept his word about it too. Classy move even though it's probably going to backfire when Molina beats him.