I think quite a few people noticed this, by the 5th or 6th round he lost the compactness in his defense and his hands visibly dropped. His punches also became less crisp, I don't think he has elite level stamina and at this point I don't think that will change. You could say that his reflexes were there throughout the fight but he didn't seem to have the energy to put together any kind of sustained offense, in fact his offense was poor tonight overall.
I wouldn't mind seeing him against Cotto, Miguel will provide some different problems.
At this point he might provide Maywether with some problems, but if he is that wild and he was to get tired against Floyd like he did tonight, I think he gets KO'd.
No, he might have been tired as Trout was tired. But what I'm saying is that the whole "stamina issue" hyperbole is exaggerated. Him holding back his punches was entirely by choice. He didn't wanna over commit and be too aggressive against a defensive, counter-punching boxer and get caught clean and look bad. See Pacquiao VS JMM for reference.
A lot of the rounds he would head-fake like he is about to throw and not do it because he knew it wasn't gonna land clean as Trout was already out of position.
Yeah he might have been holding back, but to be fair how do you know it wasnt because he was trying to make sure he didnt completely empty his tank. It wasn't just his lack of activity though, his demeanour changed, and his technique worsened, this happens to every athlete as they get more tired, but it happened far too early to Canelo, and that is alarming to me especially considering it was not a heavy pace. the fact that he was loading up and missing was probably a big factor, but he was clearly more open and his punches and
technique was much sloppier.
Agree to disagree, but the good thing about this argument is time will reveal all. I hope I'm wrong.
Main problem is that he has way too much upper body movement and a lot of the time he doesn't throw when moving. All that upper body movement tires him out so he goes into reserve mode. He needs to learn how to properly conserve energy and not move around so much when he doesnt need to
Also he cut almost 20 pounds, that has to drain him
I just finished saying that in another thread.
Sometimes people think because he is young that he should have lots of stamina but often the opposite is true. With age and the closer he gets to hitting his prime, that is when he will have better stamina ....HOPEFULLY .... because right now, his opponents can take advantage of his stamina issues.
He was doing very little yet he was way more exhausted than Trout who had been throwing consistently throughout the round.
Another thing that may contribute to the stamina issues is if Canelo had issues making weight.
Staying in better shape between fights would probably help him. I would not say getting from 180 to 154 is a huge deal if he completely rests between fights tbh, ok the rehydration is quite alarming. But if he could cut that 25lbs to even 15lbs that might be better.
Does anyone know if he takes complete breaks,or does he train all year around?
Positives:
Defense was great. Didn't get hit with anything big; and avoided plenty of shots. Looked surprising athletic and quick. Impressive
Concerning:
TS is right. Stamina seems to be an issue. My biggest concern is that he cannot seem to change pace. Killing instinct also not there today.
Overall, he's not a brawler or an pressure fighter. He's a slow, methodical, round winning boxer. Probably would struggle against an elite movement guy because he can't seem to change pace.
He's, in other words, 22, not the complete package yet.
Pretty good assessment.
His head movement was really good and he showed some slick moves, but where were the counters?
I was also surprised by how quick his shots looked against a guy considered to be very defensive and quick. His stamina will be his downfall though.
Positives:
Defense was great. Didn't get hit with anything big; and avoided plenty of shots. Looked surprising athletic and quick. Impressive
Concerning:
TS is right. Stamina seems to be an issue. My biggest concern is that he cannot seem to change pace. Killing instinct also not there today.
Overall, he's not a brawler or an pressure fighter. He's a slow, methodical, round winning boxer. Probably would struggle against an elite movement guy because he can't seem to change pace.
He's, in other words, 22, not the complete package yet.
I would say he is far far from slow. I don't know why people still call him slow, agree with most everything else. I would say Trout is an elite movement guy, I think at this point there is quite a few different things he would struggle with. If I was him I would stay active and maybe even take a slight baby step down in competition and defend against some top contenders, or Cotto...something like that.
I didn't know that, but could explain it, I'm sure missing with so many big punches would not have helped either. I thought his head movement was excellent tonight though. It was just a strange fight, I'm sure the open scoring didn't help that. Trout was there for the taking after the knockdown, he was still fighting back but you could see the energy had gone from his punches and legs but Canelo didn't mount anything, I'm sure if he had the energy he would have tried to finish Trout off but he didn't seem to.
Yeah I face palmed when his trainer announced they were going to train in Santa Monica instead of Big Bear. I thought that was a terrible mistake.
He's not ready for Mayweather but Mayweather isn't knocking him out.
Fighters who get tired against Mayweather are always in danger of being knocked out. I used to underestimate his power, not anymore. Floyd is tremendously accurate all the way through a fight. You could make the argument the size difference is too big, but a TKO honestly wouldn't surprise me if he did gas out.
Hes lucky the paul williams fight never happend because a top level volume puncher/pressure fighter will beat canelo. he better work on his stamina more.
Positives:
Defense was great. Didn't get hit with anything big; and avoided plenty of shots. Looked surprising athletic and quick. Impressive
Concerning:
TS is right. Stamina seems to be an issue. My biggest concern is that he cannot seem to change pace. Killing instinct also not there today.
Overall, he's not a brawler or an pressure fighter. He's a slow, methodical, round winning boxer. Probably would struggle against an elite movement guy because he can't seem to change pace.
He's, in other words, 22, not the complete package yet.
What do you expect? the dude is only 5 foot 7 and rehydrate all they way to 172, and cuts down from 180, he is a short stocky mofo, he should be better at 160 and have more stamina.
His mistake was not going to Big Bear to train like he did for the Rhodes fight. He looked sharp with a lot of combos and head movement in that fight. I think it would've helped him immensely with Trout.
I didn't know that, but could explain it, I'm sure missing with so many big punches would not have helped either. I thought his head movement was excellent tonight though. It was just a strange fight, I'm sure the open scoring didn't help that. Trout was there for the taking after the knockdown, he was still fighting back but you could see the energy had gone from his punches and legs but Canelo didn't mount anything, I'm sure if he had the energy he would have tried to finish Trout off but he didn't seem to.
I just finished saying that in another thread.
Sometimes people think because he is young that he should have lots of stamina but often the opposite is true. With age and the closer he gets to hitting his prime, that is when he will have better stamina ....HOPEFULLY .... because right now, his opponents can take advantage of his stamina issues.
He was doing very little yet he was way more exhausted than Trout who had been throwing consistently throughout the round.
Another thing that may contribute to the stamina issues is if Canelo had issues making weight.
I'm assuming you're saying this because of my post. I'm no Canelo fanboy hence why my opinion has more clout.
And yes, you are only saying this because it was fed to you, via the trainers mouth. I know when I see a tired fighter, and this wasn't it.
Here he is.
I bet you thought Hopkins faking low blows vs Calzaghe to get a breather was legit.
http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/Celebrities/Nicolas%20Cage%20laughing%20like%20a%20mad%20man.gif
his fan boys will come in here claiming otherwise, and that you were influenced by Trouts trainer between rounds.
Well I couldn't hear between rounds so that would be a poor argument.
His mistake was not going to Big Bear to train like he did for the Rhodes fight. He looked sharp with a lot of combos and head movement in that fight. I think it would've helped him immensely with Trout.