I think he could give him some big problems, given the fact that he too is a master boxer and has great length as well. He lacks the explosiveness of rigo obviously, but I believe his counter punching, ring intellegence, movement and defense would make it a tough night for rigo.
Mayweather is clearly sitting in the pocket against Chavez. Because sometimes Mayweather sit's in the pocket willingly. Believe it or not.
Did I not say that? I said he's using his elbows, forearms, and gloves to block, then potshotting. He's not shoulder to shoulder with him like in a real inside fight. He's containing Chavez then quick right, then dip out. That's not an inside fight to me.
Is Chavez the same C Level fighter who took Erik Morales into deep water with 1 arm for half of the fight? And badly hurt him? That same C level fighter who was considered to be one of the best 130 Lbers in the world at the time?
This is the caliber of fighters Chavez was fighting before he faced Floyd.
32-32-7, 24-34-3, 10-20-2, 32-33-4, 51-8-2. Mind you, these are his fights leading up to Floyd. Not his beginning stage fights.
The guy he fought right before Floyd to get the belt, lost by KO in the 6th round to Eduardo Perez 19-13-2, only 2 fights removed from when he fought Chavez.
Paper fuggin champ.
That dude is thick as hell... Floyd has a great inside game. Not all inside game look like Castillo/Corrales. In fact, Castillo/Corrales was fought at mid-range not short-range. If you wanna see an inside fight, you gotta watch what Guerrero did to Berto or what Ward and Hopkins does. Not every inside game has too look like Chavez Sr.
I struggle to believe someone can be so dense but this site never fails to surprise me.
How about Andre Ward-Carl Froch? Ward took it to the inside because he had to I suppose :lol1:
I honestly can't believe what I'm reading, to be honest.
Mayweather is clearly sitting in the pocket against Chavez. Because sometimes Mayweather sit's in the pocket willingly. Believe it or not.
Did I not say that? I said he's using his elbows, forearms, and gloves to block, then potshotting. He's not shoulder to shoulder with him like in a real inside fight. He's containing Chavez then quick right, then dip out. That's not an inside fight to me.
Is Chavez the same C Level fighter who took Erik Morales into deep water with 1 arm for half of the fight? And badly hurt him? That same C level fighter who was considered to be one of the best 130 Lbers in the world at the time?
This is the caliber of fighters Chavez was fighting before he faced Floyd.
32-32-7, 24-34-3, 10-20-2, 32-33-4, 51-8-2. Mind you, these are his fights leading up to Floyd. Not his beginning stage fights.
The guy he fought right before Floyd to get the belt, lost by KO in the 6th round to Eduardo Perez 19-13-2, only 2 fights removed from when he fought Chavez.
Paper fuggin champ.
Such a silly argument. Do you know what an inside game is? Corrales/Castillo is an inside game. Rios has an inside game. Peterson has an inside game.
Boxers don't have inside games like them. A majority of them tie up, and pot shot, or use their body to shield themselves, and throw quick little punches.
Rigo does the same thing, but he doesn't need to tie up with you, or use his body to shield himself. His footwork, angles, and speed are too good for that.
Wat do you think happens when a boxer tries to test their inside game against an inside expert? Ray Leonard/Duran happens. Guess what happened in the rematch?
Floyd laying on the ropes, looks cool, but that's not an inside fight. It's him rolling punches, and using his gloves to block an attack, and then pot shot.
WTF is the difference between that, and being the center of the ring, slipping a shot, and countering?
You guys don't know what inside fighting is.
I'm sorry, the irony is too much for me on this one.
I've seen that fight, and Mayweather's doing what he always does, timing the opponent coming in, then using his elbow, and forearms to protect his head, then straight rights. Also, if you've actually watched the fight, Chavez is a grade C level fighter, that brings no type of elite skills, besides ineffective pressure, and wild swinging. Also, another thing Floyd does, like in his other fights, he's laying on the ropes, when Chavez overwhelms him with the pressure, and gets hit on the arms, and body, while rolling with the head shots, and pot shotting with the right hand. That looks cool, but isn't smart.
Rigo does exactly what Floyd is doing, when Floyd is in the center of the ring, "in fighting", except he doesn't need to use his elbows, forearms, and gloves to parry the incoming shots, and counter. Rigo slips, and rips. He has too much power to have someone like Chavez to chase him around the ring, like Chavez was doing with Floyd. He'll turn it into a boxing match, because of his power. Watch the fight right now, and tell me how great Chavez was. Please.
For example, who? Oh, you mean Floyd, when he can't allude his opponent anymore, and has to stand there, and use his forearms, and hold, while sneaking in a jab to the body. Or when he's against the rope, because he has no other options.
Or do you mean Hopkins, who isn't a mover, and relies heavily on his infighting, which everyone knows. Or do you mean Whitaker, who doesn't have the power to hold you off, and goes in and out, and lands combos on you, and in fights, when he's being pressured. Or do you mean Ray Leonard against Duran, when he was forced to fight on the inside? Then in the rematch, danced circles around him, because well, that was the smart thing to do in the first place. Or do you mean when any slick fighter gets ties up, or gets tied up in a clinch, and throws some peppering shots to the body.
You honestly have not watched Rigo fight to say that he hasn't shown an inside game.
Read my comments above.
Jesus, you have no clue what you're watching :lol1:
Mayweather is clearly sitting in the pocket against Chavez. Because sometimes Mayweather sit's in the pocket willingly. Believe it or not.
Is Chavez the same C Level fighter who took Erik Morales into deep water with 1 arm for half of the fight? And badly hurt him? That same C level fighter who was considered to be one of the best 130 Lbers in the world at the time?
"Rigo does exactly what Floyd is doing, when Floyd is in the center of the ring, "in fighting"
:haha:
Such a silly argument. Do you know what an inside game is? Corrales/Castillo is an inside game. Rios has an inside game. Peterson has an inside game.
Boxers don't have inside games like them. A majority of them tie up, and pot shot, or use their body to shield themselves, and throw quick little punches.
Rigo does the same thing, but he doesn't need to tie up with you, or use his body to shield himself. His footwork, angles, and speed are too good for that.
Wat do you think happens when a boxer tries to test their inside game against an inside expert? Ray Leonard/Duran happens. Guess what happened in the rematch?
Floyd laying on the ropes, looks cool, but that's not an inside fight. It's him rolling punches, and using his gloves to block an attack, and then pot shot.
WTF is the difference between that, and being the center of the ring, slipping a shot, and countering?
You guys don't know what inside fighting is.
most don't but some do.rios,castillo and corrales fight nothing alike
This is a dumb as*s argument.
As of now, we can't assume anything of Rigondo's inside game cause he hasn't shown it.
He may very well be a genius on the inside as well. Who the f*uck knows. But mofos saying that Rigondo has an inside game when he's never shown it are pretty obtuse.
And saying that Rigondo outside game is his inside game is also stolid. That's like saying Lebron don't need shoot 3-pointers cause he can walk into the paint and dunk every time. Muthafu*kka, then how you know he can shoot 3 pointers???!!!
Some of ya'll thick in the head as fu*ck. You can't give a mofo credit unless he actually does it. You can't give Rigondo credit for being an incredible inside fighter, when he don't ever fight on the inside.
Such a silly argument. Do you know what an inside game is? Corrales/Castillo is an inside game. Rios has an inside game. Peterson has an inside game.
Boxers don't have inside games like them. A majority of them tie up, and pot shot, or use their body to shield themselves, and throw quick little punches.
Rigo does the same thing, but he doesn't need to tie up with you, or use his body to shield himself. His footwork, angles, and speed are too good for that.
Wat do you think happens when a boxer tries to test their inside game against an inside expert? Ray Leonard/Duran happens. Guess what happened in the rematch?
Floyd laying on the ropes, looks cool, but that's not an inside fight. It's him rolling punches, and using his gloves to block an attack, and then pot shot.
WTF is the difference between that, and being the center of the ring, slipping a shot, and countering?
You guys don't know what inside fighting is.
Take Mayweather-Chavez for example. Mayweather out boxing on the outside and outboxing him badly. But he then willingly went onto the inside and broke him down on the inside.
I've seen that fight, and Mayweather's doing what he always does, timing the opponent coming in, then using his elbow, and forearms to protect his head, then straight rights. Also, if you've actually watched the fight, Chavez is a grade C level fighter, that brings no type of elite skills, besides ineffective pressure, and wild swinging. Also, another thing Floyd does, like in his other fights, he's laying on the ropes, when Chavez overwhelms him with the pressure, and gets hit on the arms, and body, while rolling with the head shots, and pot shotting with the right hand. That looks cool, but isn't smart.
Rigo does exactly what Floyd is doing, when Floyd is in the center of the ring, "in fighting", except he doesn't need to use his elbows, forearms, and gloves to parry the incoming shots, and counter. Rigo slips, and rips. He has too much power to have someone like Chavez to chase him around the ring, like Chavez was doing with Floyd. He'll turn it into a boxing match, because of his power. Watch the fight right now, and tell me how great Chavez was. Please.
Believe it or not, this might sound OUTRAGEOUS to you, but, some fighters actually willingly fight on the inside when they don't have to. This might come as a shock to you, have a seat near incase you have to sit down. But yes, some people willingly fight on the inside. Crazy, isn't it?
For example, who? Oh, you mean Floyd, when he can't allude his opponent anymore, and has to stand there, and use his forearms, and hold, while sneaking in a jab to the body. Or when he's against the rope, because he has no other options.
Or do you mean Hopkins, who isn't a mover, and relies heavily on his infighting, which everyone knows. Or do you mean Whitaker, who doesn't have the power to hold you off, and goes in and out, and lands combos on you, and in fights, when he's being pressured. Or do you mean Ray Leonard against Duran, when he was forced to fight on the inside? Then in the rematch, danced circles around him, because well, that was the smart thing to do in the first place. Or do you mean when any slick fighter gets ties up, or gets tied up in a clinch, and throws some peppering shots to the body.
You honestly have not watched Rigo fight to say that he hasn't shown an inside game.
Pernell Whitaker is another vivid example of a fighter who could box your head off but would instead willingly go on the inside at times because he was comfortable and capable there.
Harold Johnson is another one.
Bernard Hopkins is another one.
The list truly goes on and on and on.
I don't know if it's funnier, or sad that you honestly believe that fighters only fight on the inside because they have to :lol1:
Read my comments above.
This is a dumb as*s argument.
As of now, we can't assume anything of Rigondo's inside game cause he hasn't shown it.
He may very well be a genius on the inside as well. Who the f*uck knows. But mofos saying that Rigondo has an inside game when he's never shown it are pretty obtuse.
And saying that Rigondo outside game is his inside game is also stolid. That's like saying Lebron don't need shoot 3-pointers cause he can walk into the paint and dunk every time. Muthafu*kka, then how you know he can shoot 3 pointers???!!!
Some of ya'll thick in the head as fu*ck. You can't give a mofo credit unless he actually does it. You can't give Rigondo credit for being an incredible inside fighter, when he don't ever fight on the inside.
That's precisely what I'm saying.
I'm not saying Rigondeaux doesn't have an inside game. For all we know, he's the best inside fighter in the sport. Because so far, he's been skilled enough to keep it on outside fight and dominate there.
All I'm saying, is at this moment in time, it's unknown because he hasn't shown it. Whether that's by choice or not.
It seems that's hard for people to get their head round :lol1:
Dear God, you and your silly emoticons. If you have the ability to not fight on the inside, and box your opponent the whole night, why would you willingly fight on the inside? Why?
"you don't have to fight on the inside, unless you have to."
Ex. Brandon Rios, Mares, Lamont Peterson (can box, but when it's time for him to fight a counter puncher, or speed fighter, he goes on the inside).
You don't have to, there's no need to if you don't have to, but some do none the less because for example they might want to break a fighter down on the inside because they're that comfortable despite the fact they could box on the outside.
Take Mayweather-Chavez for example. Mayweather out boxing on the outside and outboxing him badly. But he then willingly went onto the inside and broke him down on the inside.
Believe it or not, this might sound OUTRAGEOUS to you, but, some fighters actually willingly fight on the inside when they don't have to. This might come as a shock to you, have a seat near incase you have to sit down. But yes, some people willingly fight on the inside. Crazy, isn't it?
Pernell Whitaker is another vivid example of a fighter who could box your head off but would instead willingly go on the inside at times because he was comfortable and capable there.
Harold Johnson is another one.
Bernard Hopkins is another one.
The list truly goes on and on and on.
I don't know if it's funnier, or sad that you honestly believe that fighters only fight on the inside because they have to :lol1:
That's possibly the most ridiculous and absurd thing I have ever read.
:pat: Lord, help me.
You actually believe that there aren't fighters who willingly fight on the inside?
You honestly believe that fighters only fight on the inside for no other reason than they have to?
:lol1:
Dear God, you and your silly emoticons. If you have the ability to not fight on the inside, and box your opponent the whole night, why would you willingly fight on the inside? Why?
"you don't have to fight on the inside, unless you have to."
Ex. Brandon Rios, Mares, Lamont Peterson (can box, but when it's time for him to fight a counter puncher, or speed fighter, he goes on the inside).
WOW, you don't know **** about boxing. You might know the names, and the history, but when it comes to actual boxing, I don't know what to tell you.
:pat: Lord, help me.
You actually believe that there aren't fighters who willingly fight on the inside?
You honestly believe that fighters only fight on the inside for no other reason than they have to?
:lol1:
Once again, where are you getting this from my post?
Where have I said Rigondeaux is limited? Quote where I have said in this thread or any thread for that matter?
I'm laughing at you because you think that because Riongdeaux keeps fights on the outside that that is an inside game :lol1: Not because he does that. The fact he can do that is exceptional.
No, I am NOT saying that. How many times do I have to say this. How can I make it more simple for you?
I'm saying, that he hasn't SHOWN an inside game, yet. Because he's skilled enough to keep it on the outside and fight his fight. I'm NOT saying Rigondeaux DOESN'T have an inside game. Just that he's yet to show one. Do the capitals help make it clearer for you?
"You don't fight on the inside unless you have to" :rofl: Are you serious? You can't be serious. Really, you can't be serious.
WOW, you don't know **** about boxing. You might know the names, and the history, but when it comes to actual boxing, I don't know what to tell you.
He's saying an inside game isn't just all offense. He can be on the inside and not get hit...thus "beating" you with defense on the inside. Defense on the inside is arguably what MAKES a good inside fighter good. If you just eat a ton of shots but are able to land inside doesnt mean you hav a good inside game. He hasnt had to fight while inside... he makes them step back and reset or he'll throw to the body and spin you. I think thats what he means anyway in which case i'd agree.
pretty much this.
He's saying an inside game isn't just all offense. He can be on the inside and not get hit...thus "beating" you with defense on the inside. Defense on the inside is arguably what MAKES a good inside fighter good. If you just eat a ton of shots but are able to land inside doesnt mean you hav a good inside game. He hasnt had to fight while inside... he makes them step back and reset or he'll throw to the body and spin you. I think thats what he means anyway in which case i'd agree.
And who is saying it is all offence? It's not all offense at all.
There's no arguable about it, defense on the inside IS what makes you a good inside fighter.
Rigondeaux hasn't fought on the inside, he keeps it on the outside because he's good enough to do so.
Doesn't mean he can't, just that he hasn't yet.
So, Because Rigo doesn't allow you to get in on him, you're using some corny little laughing emoticon???
So, because Rigo is too slick, he's all of a sudden limited? When and if he fights Mares, you'll see. I have nothing more to say.
Now it's all of a sudden a bad thing to be crafty.....I've seen it all.
Once again, where are you getting this from my post?
Where have I said Rigondeaux is limited? Quote where I have said in this thread or any thread for that matter?
I'm laughing at you because you think that because Riongdeaux keeps fights on the outside that that is an inside game :lol1: Not because he does that. The fact he can do that is exceptional.
Watch his fight with Cordoba. He is pressing the issue for the majority of the fight. He gets in on you, lands his combos, then gets back out. Boxing 101.
So you're saying, because he didn't stand in the trenches, and allow himself to get hit, that shows his lack of an inside game? I think you got it twisted buddy. You don't fight on the inside until you have to, or because that's the only way you can win a certain fight.
So, because he's showing a high ring IQ, and being smart in the ring, it proves that he has no inside game?
Just wait til he fights Mares, if he fights Mares. Can't wait for you to eat your words.
No, I am NOT saying that. How many times do I have to say this. How can I make it more simple for you?
I'm saying, that he hasn't SHOWN an inside game, yet. Because he's skilled enough to keep it on the outside and fight his fight. I'm NOT saying Rigondeaux DOESN'T have an inside game. Just that he's yet to show one. Do the capitals help make it clearer for you?
"You don't fight on the inside unless you have to" :rofl: Are you serious? You can't be serious. Really, you can't be serious.
He's saying an inside game isn't just all offense. He can be on the inside and not get hit...thus "beating" you with defense on the inside. Defense on the inside is arguably what MAKES a good inside fighter good. If you just eat a ton of shots but are able to land inside doesnt mean you hav a good inside game. He hasnt had to fight while inside... he makes them step back and reset or he'll throw to the body and spin you. I think thats what he means anyway in which case i'd agree.