so, does marquez deserve 30m for fighting pac?

a) its not 30 mil. Pac got the guarantee on a contract that was probs 70/30. So it would be more like 12 - 15 mil guarantee. b) how do we know now JMM wouldn't be a draw? After he has KTFO a superstar you don't think more people will now tune into his fights? Piggy back off of Pacs name, advertise himself as "the guy who destroyed Pac" etc. c) Pac will now possible have less followers as the hype has gone away. d) He does not have to redeem himself, he won the fight in amazing fashion and no longer needs a Pac fight... Pac needs JMM to redeem his loss.

jmm just simply dont want it anymore. he has already done what he wished for. what he dreamed of. beating pac was his ultimate goal. and that knockout was far more than he expected. no win in his life could beat that. he doesn't have the hunger for another one anymore. he doesn't have the drive anymore. the hatred to win. which made him trained for 4 months in advance than pac. which made him write a book. all those will be a recipe for disaster. he didn't chase pacquiao all this years for a payday. and if he gives pacquiao the fifth fight he doesn't want it to be just about money. marquez himself knows that the 50-50 is a deal breaker.. he made it clear he doesn't want pac anymore. if im marquez i wouldn't give pacquiao another shot too, unless he begs for it and shows me that its not about money. if im pacquiao, i would take 50-50. redeeming yourself is way better than money could buy. marquez is showing its not about the money, while pac, like in the 4th one, is still showing its just about the money, thats why they got kicked.

He was guaranteed $20 million. people are simply not understanding dude there are two types of guarantees, what is declared to nevada and what they have in their contracts

First of all, you are out of your mind if you think that Pacquaio was guaranteed or actually made 25 million against Marquez in his last fight. Pac's guarantee was $6.5 million. Anything else he received came from PPV revenue and there damn sure wasn't enough PPV buys to pay him $18 million. You need to stop buying the BS that Bob Arum feeds you Pac worshippers every time he fights. Secondly, Marquez does deserve a 50-50 split against Pacquaio. He deserves a 50-50 split moreso than Pac deserved one against Mayweather. If they fight again, that means that each would earn between $10 and $12 million. classic hater you need to do your research, what NEVADA considers a guarantee is what fighters are paid on THE DAY for example, I will educate you here so... floyd got around 15-16m ON THE DAY, it could have been 18m, that was his OFFICIAL guarantee vs ortiz, but we know in his contract, his guarantee is around 27.5m. he made around 35m=40m whatever it is the total but the guarantees you see are on the day, not what they get as a minimum in their contracts do you see how boxing works? the guarantee pac got, I think it was actually 22.5m is what he will get as a minimum NO matter what within around 2-3 weeks of the event, on the event he got 6m and the rest later. On top of that ppv bonus. the official guarantee was 6m, the amount he is paid on the day, the rest he got later as per his contract for the fight the last pac fight did 1.15m ppv buys vs marquez marquez is not a huge draw, people can say what he want, he cannot sell **** on ppv without pac, simple as that

Marquez deserves 100M

seem like that but im pretty sure when he realizes the money aint close to what he was getting with pac , he'll be back with a more reasonable demand imo ..unless, he aint for the money anymore, lol... no you idiot , a gurantee is just that, a guarantee .. you know what pac's guantee was vs shane?... 6 mil ..you know what he ended up getting ?..around 4 times that .. He was guaranteed $20 million.

So let me get this straight. The die-hard Pacquiao sycophants that sung his praises about taking on challenges and not fighting for money..... are advocating him walking from arguably his biggest challenge (trying get a convinving victory over Marquez for once, after being laid out), because he can make more money fighting easier fights (and they would easier)???? That sounds like something they accused the other guy of doing. I thought the reason they were so hooked on the Manny koolade was because he supposedly did the opposite. It's an irony seeing these "all for the fans and legacy" posters quoting figures and repeatedly telling people: "you have to remember this is a business". Unreal......

Yes, I think he does.

that scoring error means nothing becaues i can say Pac hit JMM when he was down and the refe didnt take a point away see how that works funny how every Pac stan forgets about that lol . he migth have won on paper but many didnt think so. Pac blame his socks when loseing to Morales so there goes your Pac knows how to lose bullcrap.JMM wont figth he is moeving on just so it can sting tougth break for all you Pac stans :wave: Marquez didnt complain about it because he knows he was holding the rope. The ref was also there in front of them and didn't stop Pac because he also know what Marquez was doing. The ref only stopped Pac when Marquez finally went down. Recently Pac said if Marquez doesn't want to fight me anymore so do I. Pac ktfo Morales twice in a rematch after wearing a different socks, so it must be true. lol

Well that is true but the fact that if you removed Pac from Marquez resume he is pretty much nothing left to talk about. Pac on the record already beat him 3 times including the admitted judge scoring error in the first fight. If Marquez doesn't want to fight Pac anymore so be it. Pac is a kind of fighter gracefully admit a defeat as part of boxing and move on. that scoring error means nothing becaues i can say Pac hit JMM when he was down and the refe didnt take a point away see how that works funny how every Pac stan forgets about that lol . he migth have won on paper but many didnt think so. Pac blame his socks when loseing to Morales so there goes your Pac knows how to lose bullcrap.JMM wont figth he is moeving on just so it can sting tougth break for all you Pac stans :wave:

to bad for Pac then .he will always be rember with his ass faceing up on the mat. if He doesnt pay what JMM wants then thats on Pac his lost not JMM becaues he is moveing on win or lose aginst Timmy Well that is true but the fact that if you removed Pac from Marquez resume he is pretty much nothing left to talk about. Pac on the record already beat him 3 times including the admitted judge scoring error in the first fight. If Marquez doesn't want to fight Pac anymore so be it. Pac is a kind of fighter gracefully admit a defeat as part of boxing and move on.

Dos Marquez deserve 30 million?? Is this even a question? If Mayweather can make that kind of money and far more of it then the answer is HELL YES. Marquez is 50 times more exciting and entertainment worthy than Floyd IMO. ALL DAY. EVERYDAY.

I don't mind JMM vs Bradley in Mexico.

I want to see how the haters somehow in their insane world justify this lets point a few things out so they don't implode thinking too much marquez wants the same amount of money pac will earn, his guarantee was 23-25m vs marquez last time out, he earned around 30m and will do so again due to his contract now, lets be honest, how many ppv would marquez vs bradley do, you have a guy in bradley he could not even sell out a bloody stadium in a unification fight, no more than 200k if you are pushing it 250k you are looking at around 15m in ppv buys, in which half goes to hbo really he deserves 30m? you sit on your coach spouting rubbish and then stream his fights on the net to save money, yet you can somehow justify a guy who only got famous for drinking his piss on tv deserving 30 million? marquez should take the 10 million and cement his legacy vs pac and stop ducking him, yes he probably thinks he was getting his ass whooped until the ko (which he was) but he has the same chances again as pac is shot First of all, you are out of your mind if you think that Pacquaio was guaranteed or actually made 25 million against Marquez in his last fight. Pac's guarantee was $6.5 million. Anything else he received came from PPV revenue and there damn sure wasn't enough PPV buys to pay him $18 million. You need to stop buying the BS that Bob Arum feeds you Pac worshippers every time he fights. Secondly, Marquez does deserve a 50-50 split against Pacquaio. He deserves a 50-50 split moreso than Pac deserved one against Mayweather. If they fight again, that means that each would earn between $10 and $12 million.

marquez deserves half because pacquiao best ppv are against marquez and in the last 2 fights it seems like marquez is the one who had the majority of the fans in the arena and lets not forget that marquez knocked pacquiao out

Marquez seems to want to move on to a fight with Bradley which you are right. It's going to be for a lot less money but it is Pac who has to live with being knock out cold by Marquez. It will be Manny having to live with that for the rest of his life. If this fight does happen maybe they can agree to a 60/40 split for Pac. seem like that but im pretty sure when he realizes the money aint close to what he was getting with pac , he'll be back with a more reasonable demand imo ..unless, he aint for the money anymore, lol... No it's not. HBO takes half right off the top, then the promoter gets their cut, and the rest split to the fighters. The big money from the biggest fighters comes from their guarantees. no you idiot , a gurantee is just that, a guarantee .. you know what pac's guantee was vs shane?... 6 mil ..you know what he ended up getting ?..around 4 times that ..

He should get 50% of whatever they can get from the promoter.

thats exactly what pac is going to do if marquez does'nt come back to his senses and change this 50/ 50 bullsh1t ... he'd still make more fighting anybody with him getting 80% of the split anyways than fighting jmm with an even split.. good luck to marquez getting paid more than 2 mil with anyone else... Marquez seems to want to move on to a fight with Bradley which you are right. It's going to be for a lot less money but it is Pac who has to live with being knock out cold by Marquez. It will be Manny having to live with that for the rest of his life. If this fight does happen maybe they can agree to a 60/40 split for Pac.

I meant if the fight were immediate rematches. Why did Hatton get a 45% split vs. Pac the first time if he's not a huge draw? becuase hatton was a huge draw himself and that pac was coming off his win againt hoya which was also his first 1 mill event... pac then was not as big of a draw as he is now ...

wtf .. pac got a 55/45 split with hatton , pac is way bigger star than hatton , ofcourse he should get the larger split .. hoya has been irrelevant as a fighter for years now but given he was a huge star, i think he can demand 50/50.. jmm was never near that kind of stardom.. I meant if the fight were immediate rematches. Why did Hatton get a 45% split vs. Pac the first time if he's not a huge draw?