if Pianeta were fighting Haye?

I doubt Wlad-Povetkin will happen, same with Pulev - especially if he get's KO'd by Haye in June. Fury may be an option down the line, but I doubt it and so should you that he will fight top contenders after each other. It simply doesn't make business sense for them. The only time I can see him fighting top contenders is when Vitali gives up his strap and Wlad will fight the guy who holds it to become undisputed champion. Well as Wlad will hold all the belts, those top contenders should be mandatory anyway. Of course if Pulev gets KOed it doesn't make much sense anymore - same as Wlad-Price doesn't make sense now. Tyson, Povetkin and Pulev are the three biggest fights for Wlad atm. If they don't lose in the meantime I really expect Wlad to fight all of them before he retires.

I really expect Wlad to fight at least the best out of them. If Tyson doesn't lose he'll fight him for sure. Povetkin situation is complicated due to taught negotiations and other issues but it will happen. Same goes for pulev. Only fighter I'm not sure about is Haye. As I am not convinced Haye will be active enough to secure mandatory. After Wlad beat Haye, Ibragimov and Chegaev, not many left. It was only povetkin I assume. There are some new guys now but we'll see he will remain. Price was my big hope... I doubt Wlad-Povetkin will happen, same with Pulev - especially if he get's KO'd by Haye in June. Fury may be an option down the line, but I doubt it and so should you that he will fight top contenders after each other. It simply doesn't make business sense for them. The only time I can see him fighting top contenders is when Vitali gives up his strap and Wlad will fight the guy who holds it to become undisputed champion.

pianeta has a draw with sosnowski. that's all you need to know. this confirms his bum status.

Have you seen this guy fight? He is a bum. He has done nothing but go life & death with ridiculously shot to bits journeymen who have been paid to find a spot on the canvas to lay down. The only thing he has going for him is hes undefeated and that is because hes fought nobody. Hes going to get knocked out by Wladimir, no shame there but he won't rebound. He won't beat anybody of any note, ever! I am not sure there is a single guy in that top 30 not capable of beating him & the division is terribly weak. In fact there is a load of guys outside the top 30 I see beating him rather easily. How on earth he is even ranked is beyond me completely. No I haven't watched him apart from a few yt clips. fair enough if he's that bad.

Boytsov would be the worst out of the ones I mentioned. Well you say that, and I can only hope. Since the summer of 2011 he has fought zero credible opponents. He has had the past year and three quarters to sort out a fight with Povetkin or any other top 10 contender, and it hasn't happened. What makes you think it will change? And just to make it clear, I am not implying that Wlad is scared or ducking or anything like that, he just won't pay them what they're worth. These fighters get more for boxing in germany/russia/britain than they would fighting for the HW title. And unfortunately there aren't many 'old school' fighters left these days, Fury the exception. Everyone else fights for money. I really expect Wlad to fight at least the best out of them. If Tyson doesn't lose he'll fight him for sure. Povetkin situation is complicated due to taught negotiations and other issues but it will happen. Same goes for pulev. Only fighter I'm not sure about is Haye. As I am not convinced Haye will be active enough to secure mandatory. After Wlad beat Haye, Ibragimov and Chegaev, not many left. It was only povetkin I assume. There are some new guys now but we'll see he will remain. Price was my big hope...

I thought a bum is someone who is proven to be a bad fighter, not one who didn't prove to be a good/decent fighter yet. Does this mean everybody start as a bum? Have you seen this guy fight? He is a bum. He has done nothing but go life & death with ridiculously shot to bits journeymen who have been paid to find a spot on the canvas to lay down. The only thing he has going for him is hes undefeated and that is because hes fought nobody. Hes going to get knocked out by Wladimir, no shame there but he won't rebound. He won't beat anybody of any note, ever! I am not sure there is a single guy in that top 30 not capable of beating him & the division is terribly weak. In fact there is a load of guys outside the top 30 I see beating him rather easily. How on earth he is even ranked is beyond me completely.

So all the fighters you listed are not bums. If Wlad is to fight Boytsov tomorrow he won't be considered as another bum... Great to hear. Wlad will fight all of them anyway. Boytsov would be the worst out of the ones I mentioned. Well you say that, and I can only hope. Since the summer of 2011 he has fought zero credible opponents. He has had the past year and three quarters to sort out a fight with Povetkin or any other top 10 contender, and it hasn't happened. What makes you think it will change? And just to make it clear, I am not implying that Wlad is scared or ducking or anything like that, he just won't pay them what they're worth. These fighters get more for boxing in germany/russia/britain than they would fighting for the HW title. And unfortunately there aren't many 'old school' fighters left these days, Fury the exception. Everyone else fights for money.

So all the fighters you listed are not bums. If Wlad is to fight Boytsov tomorrow he won't be considered as another bum... Great to hear. Wlad will fight all of them anyway.

I don't know. It seems (by opinion of majority here) that we have Wlad, Vitali, Haye and 50 bums in HW at the moment. In that case nobody can't blame Klitsckos for fighting bums when bums are all what is in there. Not true. There are plenty non-bums in the division as of now. Pulev, Helenius, Fury, Povetkin, Banks, Adamek, Cunningham, hell even Boytsov or Price coming off a loss would be better than Pianeta. Even Dereck Chisora would be better - at least we'd get an entertaining build-up. What we're getting now is Wlad coming out and saying: "I really need to prepare for this fight. He's never tasted defeat (except against me in sparring but we won't mention that) so i'm expecting superman to fight me. He's practically a raw Mike Tyson. Remember what happened to Ali vs Spinks in '78" and all this nonsense. And then he goes to a boring KO in 5 rounds. Everyone has their opinion, its human nature to judge. But what makes you anything different with your assumptions to those call him a bum? Nobody on here is claiming to be above anybody, in boxing terms Pianeta is a bum, hes done nothing of any note & frankly he isn't worthy of sharing a ring with Wladimir. And just about anybody who can pass a medical can be a pro boxer. The term pro just means somebody who gets paid. Pretty much,

Everyone has their opinion, its human nature to judge. But what makes you anything different with your assumptions to those call him a bum? Nobody on here is claiming to be above anybody, in boxing terms Pianeta is a bum, hes done nothing of any note & frankly he isn't worthy of sharing a ring with Wladimir. And just about anybody who can pass a medical can be a pro boxer. The term pro just means somebody who gets paid. I thought a bum is someone who is proven to be a bad fighter, not one who didn't prove to be a good/decent fighter yet. Does this mean everybody start as a bum?

Why do any of you call fighters bums? I can't stand this either. For me, the term doesn't apply to professional sportsmen, particularly those putting their lives on the line. It's not a term used in Britain anyway, it means something else here. When has boxing ever not been in shambles? Precisely my point. It's 2013. Other sports are organised and well-run.

Why do any of you call fighters bums? Pianeta might not be as good as Wladimir but that doesn't make him a bum. He gets in the ring and fights for a living. No wonder fighters laugh at these forums when little kids who've never been near a boxing ring think they've got the right to judge people. You're all a bunch of morons with no real knowledge of what you're talking about. Everyone has their opinion, its human nature to judge. But what makes you anything different with your assumptions to those call him a bum? Nobody on here is claiming to be above anybody, in boxing terms Pianeta is a bum, hes done nothing of any note & frankly he isn't worthy of sharing a ring with Wladimir. And just about anybody who can pass a medical can be a pro boxer. The term pro just means somebody who gets paid.

Why do any of you call fighters bums? Pianeta might not be as good as Wladimir but that doesn't make him a bum. He gets in the ring and fights for a living. No wonder fighters laugh at these forums when little kids who've never been near a boxing ring think they've got the right to judge people. You're all a bunch of morons with no real knowledge of what you're talking about. Pianeta is that you? :lol1: Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

I don't know. It seems (by opinion of majority here) that we have Wlad, Vitali, Haye and 50 bums in HW at the moment. In that case nobody can't blame Klitsckos for fighting bums when bums are all what is in there.

Why do any of you call fighters bums? Pianeta might not be as good as Wladimir but that doesn't make him a bum. He gets in the ring and fights for a living. No wonder fighters laugh at these forums when little kids who've never been near a boxing ring think they've got the right to judge people. You're all a bunch of morons with no real knowledge of what you're talking about.

A few days ago I said that Charr is very decent match for Haye's come back. I still think that. btw. can someone define a bum? But is it though? In my opinion, Charr wouldn't even be able to win the British title, never mind a world title. He's a poor man's dereck chisora. I have yet to see much of Pianeta, but I know he sucked sparring against Fury when Fury was around 19 years old. Hardly impressive. He's also regularly beat to shizzles by Wlad in sparring. It's no worse than most of the other weights, it's just that more is expected of it. Truth be told, boxing is a bit of a shambles. They can't even drug-test their fighters properly. When has boxing ever not been in shambles?

Quote: Originally Posted by LacedUp Well people are putting it on Haye for talking to Charr, who apparently was a perfectly suited candidate to fight Vitali not too long ago. According to Klit fans, Charr is practically unbeaten since a TKO on cuts is not really a loss - so what does that make Pianeta? A bum who hasn't fought for the world title and was kicked out by the Fury camp for stinking the place up in sparring. And this was when Fury was the fat Fury, not now. End of the day, both Charr and Pianeta are bums (so far), but its evident that whoever fights Haye will always take the crown as undisputed p4p bum of the heavyweight division. A few days ago I said that Charr is very decent match for Haye's come back. I still think that. btw. can someone define a bum? Brandon Rios and Mariusz Wach. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

The heavyweight division is in shambles right now and the only people who say different have and agenda. It's no worse than most of the other weights, it's just that more is expected of it. Truth be told, boxing is a bit of a shambles. They can't even drug-test their fighters properly.

btw. can someone define a bum? Someone who runs around for 12 rounds trying to land one punch.

Well people are putting it on Haye for talking to Charr, who apparently was a perfectly suited candidate to fight Vitali not too long ago. According to Klit fans, Charr is practically unbeaten since a TKO on cuts is not really a loss - so what does that make Pianeta? A bum who hasn't fought for the world title and was kicked out by the Fury camp for stinking the place up in sparring. And this was when Fury was the fat Fury, not now. End of the day, both Charr and Pianeta are bums (so far), but its evident that whoever fights Haye will always take the crown as undisputed p4p bum of the heavyweight division. A few days ago I said that Charr is very decent match for Haye's come back. I still think that. btw. can someone define a bum?