Cleaning out a weight division or moving up in weight?

Cleaning out a division is hard for two reasons. 1 - you need to beat good fighters; and 2 - you need to navigate the politics and business. But it doesn't guarantee needing to beat great fighters. Moving up in weight is impressive, but they're a fake construct. At the lower levels you might only be moving up 3 or 4 pounds to a weight that is probably still lower than you walk around at. And it still doesn't guarantee beating great fighters - in fact it can be done to avoid great fighters. Winning at multiple weights is nowhere near as impressive as just having a good resume and beating great fighters. You don't need to do either of the options listed in the opening post to achieve that.

no one will ever be able to beat the feat of moving up from cruiser to 300 pounds and beating valuev. thats like moving up 10 divisions or more!

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Honestly, I think moving up in weight and winning titles is harder and usually earns more respect. Cleaning out one division is incredibly impressive because you’re proving you’re the clear best among your peers, but jumping divisions means dealing with naturally bigger, stronger fighters and adjusting your style each time. As a fan, that always feels riskier to me. I was debating this with my brother last weekend over takeout, and somehow we got sidetracked reading https://newsmax.pissedconsumer.com/review.html on his phone before circling back to boxing. If someone can dominate their division and then move up successfully, that’s the most credit-worthy path in my opinion.

When it comes to lower weight class fighters, clearing out the weight divisions is the most impressive 'moving up in weight during this modern era, is not impressive in my opinion and is a completely overrated feat achieved'. The reason why I say this is because? Since the weigh in rules have been altered, from the same day weigh in rules 'to the day before weigh in rules. You now have masses of modern day fighters all competing miles outside of their more natural fighting weights. So naturally? At some point after they have exhausted their ability to weight drain themselves at a certain weight they will then be forced to compete at their more natural fighting weight'. Note: Notice how since the 1980's, more fighters have been flying through the weight classes. It is a bi-product of both the weigh in rules, and the toxic modern day culture of weight draining tactics. 'Terrence Crawford and Manny Pacquiao are some of the fighters who have claimed world titles in multiple weight classes. And certain folk? Have used those statistics to compare them to past great fighters'. But in reality? What Terrence Crawford has achieved is in no way the same feat as Henry Armstrong or Sugar Ray Robinson 'fighters who in past great boxing eras, made the weight limit on the same day, and beat the best fighters in those boxing divisions'. To conclude: So for me personally when a fighter clears out a weight divisions, I think this is more impressive than 'a fighter in this modern era who moves up through the weight classes a wins world titles'. Terrence Crawford after years of weight draining himself, eventually decided to fight at his more natural fighting weight at 168 pounds. But was he really the absolute best fighters at that weight? No. He seized his opportunity to beat a miles outside of his peak Canelo Alvarez, which does deserve credit but? That win in my opinion is not as great as certain folk claim. Floyd Mayweather Junior's win over Canelo Alvarez 'is still a by far better win'. 'Crawford moving up to 168 pounds, is nothing like Oleksandr Uysk moving up into the Heavyweight divisions'. Overall I think people understand my stance on this topic. I don't rate multiple weight divisions' champions, as highly in this modern era as past boxing era's pre-1980. And I more highly rate fighters who have achieved the feat of completely dominating and clearing out a weight divisions' etc. Good post Crawford gets about 50% credit for beating a shopworn Canelo imo

Cleaning out a weight division or moving up in weight is a major strategic decision in combat sports like boxing and MMA. When a fighter “cleans out” a division, they aim to dominate all top contenders in their current weight class, often by winning multiple titles or defeating all leading challengers, which can cement their legacy as the best in that category of electrical wiring accessories. On the other hand, moving up in weight usually happens when a fighter feels they have achieved enough at their current level or are struggling with the physical demands of cutting weight.

When it comes to lower weight class fighters, clearing out the weight divisions is the most impressive 'moving up in weight during this modern era, is not impressive in my opinion and is a completely overrated feat achieved'. The reason why I say this is because? Since the weigh in rules have been altered, from the same day weigh in rules 'to the day before weigh in rules. You now have masses of modern day fighters all competing miles outside of their more natural fighting weights. So naturally? At some point after they have exhausted their ability to weight drain themselves at a certain weight they will then be forced to compete at their more natural fighting weight'. Note: Notice how since the 1980's, more fighters have been flying through the weight classes. It is a bi-product of both the weigh in rules, and the toxic modern day culture of weight draining tactics. 'Terrence Crawford and Manny Pacquiao are some of the fighters who have claimed world titles in multiple weight classes. And certain folk? Have used those statistics to compare them to past great fighters'. But in reality? What Terrence Crawford has achieved is in no way the same feat as Henry Armstrong or Sugar Ray Robinson 'fighters who in past great boxing eras, made the weight limit on the same day, and beat the best fighters in those boxing divisions'. To conclude: So for me personally when a fighter clears out a weight divisions, I think this is more impressive than 'a fighter in this modern era who moves up through the weight classes a wins world titles'. Terrence Crawford after years of weight draining himself, eventually decided to fight at his more natural fighting weight at 168 pounds. But was he really the absolute best fighters at that weight? No. He seized his opportunity to beat a miles outside of his peak Canelo Alvarez, which does deserve credit but? That win in my opinion is not as great as certain folk claim. Floyd Mayweather Junior's win over Canelo Alvarez 'is still a by far better win'. 'Crawford moving up to 168 pounds, is nothing like Oleksandr Uysk moving up into the Heavyweight divisions'. Overall I think people understand my stance on this topic. I don't rate multiple weight divisions' champions, as highly in this modern era as past boxing era's pre-1980. And I more highly rate fighters who have achieved the feat of completely dominating and clearing out a weight divisions' etc.

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No my friend fighters were not smaller, the weight classes today do not have the same integrity. Weighing in 36 hours before a fight and coming in 2 and 3 weight classes higher doesn't make you bigger, it means you could never make weight 6 hours before a fight and be in condition to get in the ring. Make these guys go back to same day weigh ins and you will see a tremendous shift of fighters to different weight classes.QUOTE] no , same day weigh in rule alllows smaller fighters to fight natural bigger men in higher weightclasses without having to sacrifice a noticeable size disadvantage .. making it a lot easier to climb weightclasses and be successful.. can you imagine pac vs margarito happening at 154 with the same day weigh rule in effect.. that 17 lb weight adavatntge margo had over pac would'nt have happened making it a lot easier for pacquioa ...with the same day in weight in , with pac or floyd vs martinez, they'd be jumping right on it... and with the bold, i dont see how that would change anything .. marvin sonsona vs carita lopez ( happened a couple years ago) had the same day weight in and it did'nt make a diffence ..neither performed like they belonged to a different weight class...

the bold is true too .. and the number of weigtclasses is ofcourse a given .. but im just talking about climbing weightclasses from the same weight class to the same weightclass now and before ..for example, a feather weight going up to welterweight with the same day weigh in rule in effect would not be in a severe size disadvantge compared to a featherweight going up to ww when rehydration is allowed .. the same day weight in rule favors the smaller guys coming up in weight while when rehydartion is allowed , the bigger guy has the luxury to have size advantage....this is why even the weightclimbers from the past were only about 5-10 lbs even when climbing two weighclasses higher(armstrong vs garcia) while fighters who fight in the same weightclass now are sometimes 10 lbs lbs apart (ortiz vs petesen for example) it only means one thing , fighters back then were smaller for the same weightclass than now .. it is irelevant to what i am making a point of... No my friend fighters were not smaller, the weight classes today do not have the same integrity. Weighing in 36 hours before a fight and coming in 2 and 3 weight classes higher doesn't make you bigger, it means you could never make weight 6 hours before a fight and be in condition to get in the ring. Make these guys go back to same day weigh ins and you will see a tremendous shift of fighters to different weight classes.

You hero is a 5 weight divisions title holder..Unless you admit it means nothing to you becuse none of those belts came from atg fighters anyway.

No wonder despite of other people saying it is easy to achieve, the fact that there are thousands or million of boxers around the world from the past and present only a few boxers who held a 5 or 6 weight division titles as of now. Their is the Pac defense.

I see your point, but that is a whole different discussion. We can only judge by the circumstances fighters fought in. Lets say we put a guy from today back in the time when weigh ins were only hours before a fight. He wouldn't be fighting in the same division he does with day before weigh ins therefore wouldn't be climbing through weights as frequently. If you give the fighters of yesteryear more divisions and titles to win its going to happen because competition has been watered down. Now if you have to clean out the entire division instead...a much more difficult proposition in my opinion. the bold is true too .. and the number of weigtclasses is ofcourse a given .. but im just talking about climbing weightclasses from the same weight class to the same weightclass now and before ..for example, a feather weight going up to welterweight with the same day weigh in rule in effect would not be in a severe size disadvantge compared to a featherweight going up to ww when rehydration is allowed .. the same day weight in rule favors the smaller guys coming up in weight while when rehydartion is allowed , the bigger guy has the luxury to have size advantage....this is why even the weightclimbers from the past were only about 5-10 lbs even when climbing two weighclasses higher(armstrong vs garcia) while fighters who fight in the same weightclass now are sometimes 10 lbs lbs apart (ortiz vs petesen for example) Yes I know. But lets put everyone on an even playing field. With same day weigh ins the weight classes are not compromised by gaining so much weight before a fight. Most fighters today wouldn't be able to make weight and wouldn't being in the current division under those circumstances. it only means one thing , fighters back then were smaller for the same weightclass than now .. it is irelevant to what i am making a point of...

and size matters a lot ..ever heard of a great big man always wins vs a great small man .. size is a big factor in winning fights , obviouslly there are exceptions to this rule... Yes I know. But lets put everyone on an even playing field. With same day weigh ins the weight classes are not compromised by gaining so much weight before a fight. Most fighters today wouldn't be able to make weight and wouldn't being in the current division under those circumstances.

no doubt .. thats is why ward's resume ****'s all over guerrero's altho ward is only a one divison champion compared to guerreros 2 and fought top rated guys in other 2 weighclasses... my point is with "same day weigh in" it's easier to climb weightlcasses than when fighters are allowed to rehydrate .. thats is why guys who were climbing weightclasses like arsmtrong , ross , canzoneri , etc were really not in severe weight disvantage.... I see your point, but that is a whole different discussion. We can only judge by the circumstances fighters fought in. Lets say we put a guy from today back in the time when weigh ins were only hours before a fight. He wouldn't be fighting in the same division he does with day before weigh ins therefore wouldn't be climbing through weights as frequently. If you give the fighters of yesteryear more divisions and titles to win its going to happen because competition has been watered down. Now if you have to clean out the entire division instead...a much more difficult proposition in my opinion.

I like the Cleaning out the division better. People put up the argument that moving up you're the smaller guy having to fight big guys, and that's simply not true. I look at moving up in weight as guys who dropped weight to fight at lower weights to have a size advantage and they can't make that weight anymore so they move up. To be short about it. Whereas staying in one division and cleaning it out, you have to fight father time, as well as dealing with bigger guys dropping down into your weight division, along with fighting the natural weight fighters too. Seems more daunting than not fighting aging and moving up in weight. that's my take at least.

As much as i think broner is overhyped, beat paulie is absolutely better than beating any of the champions at lightweight. He's a just as good boxer or better than abril or vasquez and he's bigger with more experience. And burns is obviously not in broner's class lets be real.

To answer the question, it depends. Are you moving up to fight a better fighter than any one in your current division? Is your division hot? Is the pay better if you stay and clean out your division, or if you move up in weight. Boxing is a job, so you have to think about pay.

A fighter can't beat all 4 champs in a weight division. The organizations will b-tch about it and threaten to strip the fighter.

and size matters a lot ..ever heard of a great big man always wins vs a great small man .. size is a big factor in winning fights , obviouslly there are exceptions to this rule...