On The Road to Donaire-Rigondeaux, Max Kellerman asked the questions, if Donaire was a natural 168 pounder, who would win him or Ward and if he was a natural 147 pounder, who would win him or Mayweather? My answer to both those questions is that Donaire would beat both those guys if he was the same natural weight as them. Now if you want to go the route of the best fighter regardless of P4P status, then that award would go to Wladimir Klitschko. We are talking P4P however and that is why Donaire is P4P #1 on my list. He will have a chance to prove himself of that #1 ranking when he takes on Guillermo "El Chacal" Rigondeaux who in his own right is a P4P boxing star and self proclaims himself as the greatest boxer in history.
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That's what true elite fighters do. We've seen Mayweather take specific punches away for over a decade, but Rigo did it even better.
You wouldn't have known Donaire had a left hook last night, let alone one that people were calling 'the best punch in boxing'. He was never in position to throw it, and if he tried to he was getting smacked with a straight left or right hook.
In 122 terms, we just saw a very good big man get his ass beat by an elite little man.
well donaire did manage to drop rigo with a left hook lets not forget that...but for the most part donaire was unable to land it consistently..
Well, I guess after getting schooled for 12 rounds there's GOTTA be something right? :lol1:
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well donaire did manage to drop rigo with a left hook lets not forget that...but for the most part donaire was unable to land it consistently..
That wasn't a typical left hook though.
It was coming out of a break and Rigo made a silly mistake. Donaire's usual left hook is thrown with a wind-up and from distance, that was never going to work against Rigo. Rigo seen the smallest movements in advance let alone that wind-up hook.
That's what true elite fighters do. We've seen Mayweather take specific punches away for over a decade, but Rigo did it even better.
You wouldn't have known Donaire had a left hook last night, let alone one that people were calling 'the best punch in boxing'. He was never in position to throw it, and if he tried to he was getting smacked with a straight left or right hook.
In 122 terms, we just saw a very good big man get his ass beat by an elite little man.
well donaire did manage to drop rigo with a left hook lets not forget that...but for the most part donaire was unable to land it consistently..
It was negated last night by an "amateur".
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That's what true elite fighters do. We've seen Mayweather take specific punches away for over a decade, but Rigo did it even better.
You wouldn't have known Donaire had a left hook last night, let alone one that people were calling 'the best punch in boxing'. He was never in position to throw it, and if he tried to he was getting smacked with a straight left or right hook.
In 122 terms, we just saw a very good big man get his ass beat by an elite little man.
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Perhaps. ...
I respect Rigondeaux and all be brings to the ring and if he fought Mares, Rigondeaux would beat him. The problem is that Donaire is just too great right now and his left hook can't be stopped at the moment.
It was negated last night by an "amateur".
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I respect Rigondeaux and all be brings to the ring and if he fought Mares, Rigondeaux would beat him. The problem is that Donaire is just too great right now and his left hook can't be stopped at the moment.
thats becuase hes been fighting guys who lack the defensive skill and fighting intelligence to neutralize an opponents best offensive weapon.
hes been fighting brawlers who come to him, or basic guys who while they have fundamental skills are incapable of making major adjustments as a fight goes on.
rigo however brings the fighting intelligence and advanced skills to neutralize anything the opponent brings to the ring, only way for that opponent to stop it is to make more adjustments and thats something donaire struggled with his whole career.
he can be versatile but only working off the same basic approach every fight, take that away from him and you can neutralize anything you want.
mayweather and ward would both beat donaire easily. not only are they better but they have a stylistic advantage over him. in fact even if i thought donaire was better i would still say he loses, the clash of styles is just so bad for him. i dont see how anyone could pick him over those guys in a h2h p4p matchup, its just so obvious that they outbox him.
The only issue is Angelo89 was clearly a troll. If he wasn't then it'd be funny but the guy was pretending the whole time. He's even pretending Donaire won the fight lol.
surprised several people saying donaire is less skilled than martinez.... are you guys freaking crazy? Donaire's punches are way crisper, his counters are way better than martinez who has struggled with lesser competition and his power is p4p a lot better than martinez. He does almost everything better than martinez.
Yeah Donaire is much better P4P wise than Martinez and its not even close.
surprised several people saying donaire is less skilled than martinez.... are you guys freaking crazy? Donaire's punches are way crisper, his counters are way better than martinez who has struggled with lesser competition and his power is p4p a lot better than martinez. He does almost everything better than martinez.
Donaire is much higher on the P4P list than Martinez. Even Margarito beat Martinez but everybody forgets thats.
surprised several people saying donaire is less skilled than martinez.... are you guys freaking crazy? Donaire's punches are way crisper, his counters are way better than martinez who has struggled with lesser competition and his power is p4p a lot better than martinez. He does almost everything better than martinez.
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I respect Rigondeaux and all be brings to the ring and if he fought Mares, Rigondeaux would beat him. The problem is that Donaire is just too great right now and his left hook can't be stopped at the moment.
Hopkins deserves to be in the Top 10 but he is nowhere near #1 like Donaire.
you didn't get it...but its ok though :lol1:
Son Of Bernard = Andre Ward "Son Of God"
Nonito's time will come eventually
but right now, Ward is without question, p4p #1
you have anyone but Ward as #1, you're lying to yourself
Nonito's on the list, and he'll keep climbing as he rises in weight
but right now Ward is definitely the man
I don't have a problem with both of them sharing the #1 spot right now but once Donaire beats Rigondeaux, it should move him over Ward on everybody's list. Ward needs to take a page from Donaire's book and fight the best he can.
Son Of Bernard is the p4p KING!!!....not debatable unless you have Floyd as the KING imo
Hopkins deserves to be in the Top 10 but he is nowhere near #1 like Donaire.