how would floyd have done against the duran that beat leonard???

I saw that Estaban De Jesus fight, and from that 1st rd KD he boxed brilliantly. Duran wasn't trained properly, but made up for it the next couple of times, even though the second fight was also a war where he was kD. I think I have them all on tape somewhere. taken from replays. Apart from your Mayweather love-fest, let's be reasonable. De Jesus was a better fighter than Mayweather. People today don't know anything about him so your mentioning him is unfair. As for the answer to the question "how would he do against the Duran who fought Leonard.." Well, he'd do a nice funeral, and the caterers would do a lovely wake feast afterwards. richardt Is this some kind of a sick joke???? The Duran that fought Barkley, Leonard 1, Davy Moore, was MOTIVATED and a fire burned in him. Everyone who has ever followed Duran's career knows he was not at all motivated for the Kirkland fight. That fight made him realize he had to be in top form going forward. So when I bring up facts about roberto duran's career to justify my picking floyd, you tell me I can't use them because posters don't know who dejesus was. Yet dejesus was better than floyd. All of duran's prime losses were against fighters with longer reach. that doesn't mean just because your reach is longer you can beat duran. But other than Hearns KO, all of durans prime losses were by UD to men with longer reach who outboxed him. I sense a pattern. So if you want to discuss this as fans I welcome it. Then richardt blames a prime loss on duran not being motivated. I doubt duran's prime losses were from lack of motivation. It was from the long right hands from great boxers. BTW, Duran in the fights you mentioned weighed 160, 154, and 147. Why not just use prime 135 lb duran and prime 135 lb floyd? I always welcome this discussion with any posters that actually know about duran's prime. If you're a clown like junior gong why even waste the time to type.

Im changing my opinion with the pac vs duran as well...duran I think beats every welter weight this era with moderate ease...he'd force Floyd to fight at a pace so intense that Floyd would have to move constantly inwhich moneys defense ability would be stunted...his shoulder roll would be useless after the 2 round..a pac...he'd walk three in 3..srl is probaby the only fighter at welter weight can take Wat duran gives and dish it back... Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Leonard didn't choose to "fight" Duran he was forced to fight him!! Just as Duran would force Floyd to fight or get his butt whipped on the ropes! I think Mayweather could hang in for 9 or 10 rounds, maybe! But Floyd doesn't have the power to keep the strong welters off him. He's not a hard puncher and he gives away size and when your a counter guy you have no way to utilize your lack of size. He doesn't slip under to get off against the big guys he's gonna run. He's going to get hit and get hit hard! He barely got the better of Cotto and Cotto is a second to third tier fighter compared to Duran or Leonard! When you talk greats Floyd is NOT a welter, theres alot of welters that are in front of him. Ray.

The gap between DeJesus and Mayweather really is not as big as you are making it out too be, resume and skill wise Mayweather is greater but you are not giving DeJesus enough credit, he was a beast, great footwork, great offensive arsenal / great combination puncher, defense wasn't too shabby, great sense of distance, good chin and knew how to tie up when he was in danger, all the makings of a great. I agree with you, Mayweather has achieved more, but don't sleep on DeJesus, he wasn't exactly a slouch and comparing him too Ruben Carter is silly, DeJesus had a respectable career, Carter just beat a Griffith who was known for being inconsistent in his performances and did naught else, that's just a little different from beating a Prime Duran and giving him 3 incredible, tough fights and going on too still have a pretty good career. I'm not comparing him to Ruben Carter. I am merely pointing out that the fact DeJesus has a better win than anything Mayweather has done doesn't make him the greater or better of the two and used that as an example. Of course, DeJesus is leagues above Ruben Carter. I know all about DeJesus. I watched DeJesus fight in his prime, he was a very good fighter. HOF calibur and perhaps an ATG Lightweight. I wouldn't argue with anyone who considered him that. Not once have I implied that DeJesus is not everything you described him as. Not once have I implied that he isn't a good fighter and I said a few times that he's HOF calibur. All I'm saying is he isn't in Mayweather's league, which, he isn't. DeJesus was very good but he's certainly not an ATG.

Here's a question... Who has Floyd fought in his career that remotely comes close to a prime Roberto Duran?

At welter weight I give the edge to FMJ. I think his size and athleticism gives him advantages at welterweight. At light weight, I think Duran steam rolls FMJ.

I've orginally posted that mayweather would beat durable...rewatched duran vs srl 1...no way mayweather beat that duran.. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

I think style per style Floyd Jr. is the most technical fighter and the best ever. Just style per style. His style is just too adaptable to any kind of style. I believe Floyd's style would beat leonard's and duran's styles if we put them in a world where they all have equal power, speed, heart, boxing iq and any other physical attributes. Ofcourse in the real world they all differ in every aspect and there's a lot of things to consider, thats why it would be hard to pick who would win against who. with all that said, i would still favor the duran that beat leonard over floyd.. he was just a beast that night and floyd wouldnt have the power at ww to bother duran.. tough fight for both but I can see duran having the advantage inside.

Dejesus didn't beat Cervantes. And his win over Duran is better than anything Mayweather did. As is Ruben Carter's win over Emile Griffith. Both don't mean anything in regards to who the better or greater fighter is. Do you actually genuinely believe that Estaban Dejesus accomplished more in his career than Floyd Mayweather? Or are you just saying it? Dejesus was a good fighter and possibly an ATG Lightweight but he is not even in Mayweather's league. The gap between DeJesus and Mayweather really is not as big as you are making it out too be, resume and skill wise Mayweather is greater but you are not giving DeJesus enough credit, he was a beast, great footwork, great offensive arsenal / great combination puncher, defense wasn't too shabby, great sense of distance, good chin and knew how to tie up when he was in danger, all the makings of a great. I agree with you, Mayweather has achieved more, but don't sleep on DeJesus, he wasn't exactly a slouch and comparing him too Ruben Carter is silly, DeJesus had a respectable career, Carter just beat a Griffith who was known for being inconsistent in his performances and did naught else, that's just a little different from beating a Prime Duran and giving him 3 incredible, tough fights and going on too still have a pretty good career.

Silly kids, Floyd never loses fantasy fights....when will you learn Damnit... beat me to it. People need to stop matching up Mayweather in fantasy fights. He carries his real life record into fantasy fights, undefeated. Haters gonna hate. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Well you are only as good as who you beat, and DeJesus beat Duran & Cervantes, how does Floyd top that? Dejesus didn't beat Cervantes. And his win over Duran is better than anything Mayweather did. As is Ruben Carter's win over Emile Griffith. Both don't mean anything in regards to who the better or greater fighter is. Do you actually genuinely believe that Estaban Dejesus accomplished more in his career than Floyd Mayweather? Or are you just saying it? Dejesus was a good fighter and possibly an ATG Lightweight but he is not even in Mayweather's league.

Duran via Manslaughter

could he have won a decison or would duran walk him down??? I think floyd wins the first 3 rounds. Then Duran starts catching up to him and hurting him. I dont see floyd making it past 9 rounds.

No version of a tested Duran can beat a tested Mayweather

LOL, Floyd never losses real fights so people dream about fantasy fights. Anyways, I normally pick against Floyd, Floyd loses to Hearns, Hagler, Leonard. But he wins against Duran by a SD maybe, depending on which version of Floyd we are talking about. Granted, Duran has a 100 time better resume than Floyd. I agree with this. I do think that Hagler is a toss up. Whomever gets up and eats the better breakfast that day, got it the night before, That would be a hell of a fight. I see it going something like the first Castillo fight. We know that stylistically a good jab is a problem for Floyd so Hearns? I would say had a pretty good jab! haha. Leonard was just better...he had the polish of Floyd and the athletascism of a fighter like Jones, Sweat Pea, etc. Both guys are smart but Leanard had more weapons. If he wasn't exactly as good on D as Floyd well, a great offense becomes a decent defense....Judah hit Floyd with speed and Leanard had that type of speed....he would catch Floyd with it. Problem Duran has is size. Mayweather is stronger than most people think. We damn well know Mayweather would not slug it out and he could neutralize a lot of Duran's attack by more or less fighting like Leanard did the second time.

Floyd makes durable eat Sharp counters all night nd wins by decision...he's to cautious...aka punk...to get lured into a slugfest...nd Leonard overwelms him and possibly kos him late or wins a workman like decision Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Yeah this. Floyds chances against duran are really good. They are pretty bad against leonard and extremely bad against hearns. Its just the styles.

Today 2 posters taught me that Esteban DeJesus is/was better than Floyd Mayweather Jr. Unreal. Well you are only as good as who you beat, and DeJesus beat Duran & Cervantes, how does Floyd top that?

Every time I see threads about the Durans, Hearns, Haglers and SRLs and then I read Floyd's name ..... all I see is "one of these names has a very weak resume and was not even willing to fight the best of his own era let alone past greats and his name is Floyd" One look at who he would have to face and Floyd would have retired or move down a division!!!

and the rationale they give, if they even give one, is usually some hate related garbage. He was simply a much better fighter...I know that hurts, but the boxing world and pretty much anyone that doesnt have their tongue planted in floyd's arse disagrees with you and the rest of the fluffkins.

Has this ever been asked before? I think floyd uses his reach advantage to win. :rofl: Oh Dunn....what have you done, you are going to be sniffing floyd's bum until the day you die.:rofl: Gotta laugh at this one.