In your opinion, is Golden Boy Promotions the best promotional firm out there?

Thank you for your detailed reply. What promotional company DOES NOT do this? LOL GB like TR wants to make the best financial fights. This idea that they don't makes no sense to me, they want to build up a fighter and then cash him out in a big payday, that's the way ALL promotional companies work. Top Rank prospects get sent into tougher fights to establish themselves. When Golden Boy fighters end up in tough fights it is usually not by intention. Marcos Maidana was not supposed to upset Victor Ortiz, he was not expected even to touch their Golden Boy. He was a nobody from Argentina that Golden Boy looked past and they got burned for it. So wait a minute, on one hand you say they cherry pick and now you are saying they matched them up wrong with tough fighters...which is it? Every promotional company looks ahead, if you don't you're a bad business person. You want to see into the future, set the big fights up. Are upsets going to happen? Of course it's boxing. It's both. They are not good at matchmaking. Don't think for one second that anybody at Golden Boy thought Dmitry Pirog would be a tough fight for Danny Jacobs. Not for one second did they think that Josecito Lopez would be a tough fight for Victor Ortiz. Danny Garicia was a huge underdog against Khan, when he beat Amir Khan it was seen as a surprising upset. Golden Boy did not promote these opponents, they selected them out of nowhere and assumed they were nobody chumps, with the exception of Garcia but they had already expected Morales to beat him so that's how much they thought of him. None of those fighters you mentioned were "sidelined" by GB, they were viable on the big stage except for Lara. Lara is not an exciting fighter, Mathesse lost but also was a fighter that wasn't getting fights because of his punching power and Kirkland backed out of two fights because of injury. Let's remember Kirkland was set to fight Canelo and fought Angulo. So I don't know where you are getting the idea they don't make tough fights. I don't know what else you can call it when Matthysse lost to not just one, but TWO fighters that were not GBP and nobody but the fans had anything to say about him getting robbed by Judah and Alexander (and he WON both of those fights no matter what the judges say). Golden Boy didn't give a **** about Matthysse for the longest time until they recognized he's not just a banger but a skilled fighter too. Kirkland was set to fight Canelo in... September of last year? What happened to him? The Angulo fight was over a year ago. I know Angulo has been in the ring recently looking fierce, but again what happened to him? Brandon Rios wasn't a star until he made himself a star, they didn't know what they had in him until he beat Acosta and Peterson. Donaire didn't have all big fights, he fought Narvaez which was a joke of a fight and then they put him in against a shot, old Arce. Pac fought who was there at the weight, he had no choice to fight those guys because that's where the division was. Brandon Rios made himself a star because he was matched in tough fights and had to fight through them to win. It's how Top Rank built his reputation. Donaire has not always had the most crowd-pleasing fights but you're sleeping on his opponents including Narvaez if you think those guys are walkovers compared to the other fighters in their division. Arce was a fight for Donaire to look good because he'd just come out of a tough fight that people had booed. With Manny Pacquiao why not admit he took some tough fights? Yes he fought the guys available to him but that didn't make them easy opponents. Judge a man on what he has done instead of what he could have if the opportunity were different. They don't do anything different than TR, they are all the same with the same bottom line, MAKE MONEY. It was Arum that held back the biggest fight of the decade in Pac vs Floyd and it's funny the way you seem to forgive and forget that. Both sides are responsible for that fight not happening. If you think otherwise you are deluding yourself. Neither side wanted to fight each other because as you said, they're both interested in making money and they can both make lots of money not fighting each other. Simply put neither of us knows the business end of things, we only know what happened on the PR end.

I think Top Rank is better at building stars but part of that is because they've been in the game longer.

Please vote in the poll and discuss. When you do, please consider some factors into your vote: - Roster/Talent (does GBP have the deepest roster out there) - Fights made (Does GBP put on the best match ups?) - Quality of cards (as a whole, does GBP put on solid cards) - Money (Are they getting bang for their buck? Does GBP overpay its fighters and not get good results?) Interested to see what the response to this is on here since Schaefer and De La Hoya have boasted that losing HBO doesn't matter since they have "the best talent" and put on the "best fights" etc edit: I thought about putting an option for "no, Top Rank is" but I decided I wanted to get a better feel for it as a yes or no. Feel free to discuss your view on which firm is in the comments. Thanks. GBP is very overrated. As of now they make stars bigger, they don't build fighters. Mares, Broner, Canelo still have to prove they can succeed on the big stage. Ortiz, Berto both crapped big time. Its easy to be successful when you have fights with floyd and ODH. But a great promotional company does two things well IMO-matchmaking and making the opponent look like a major threat. I may despise Bob but TR is way ahead of GBP when it comes to the nuts and bolts of promoting and building fighters. The ESPN deal was an overlooked move as well.

only reason why Floyd is with GBP is cause he has no fear of anyone in GBP's stable. basically Floyd is gonna clean out their stable from 140-147. the only reason Cotto went with GBP is to get a fight with Floyd. the reason Floyd dropped Fiddy was cause Fiddy kept trying to make the Pac fight when Floyd don't really want anything to do with that fight Whatever you say, Robert Arum.

yep. best roster and best match-makers.

No doubt GBP got a phenomenal roster but with them not everybody is going to get the push they feel they deserve Like for example: at 140 Lucas Matthysse will likely never get the push that Danny Garcia and Amir Khan gets...my problem with GBP is that Oscar have his Chosen Fighters who he wants to be Stars already so he could careless about the others...only reason why they are now on the Garcia bandwagon is because he knocked out Khan then beat Morales twice Another example James Kirkland, Erislandy Lara will always be held back so that Canelo can remain GBP Top Fighter at 154 So while the Roster is phenomenal...GBP has yet to make their own Megastar or PPV Draw yet...still think Arum is better at making Cross Over Superstars...he made Oscar one and Pacquiao while GBP still have yet to produce one Please don't buy the BS that GBP is any different then Top Rank...they are all the fukin same, Greedy and could careless what the fans think or want

I don't understand fans that cheerlead for promotors. They don't give 2 craps about fans. Their sole purpose is to put money in their pockets and elevate the profile of their fighters. If that's the criteria then yes they're the best but that isn't saying much. It's the exact same thing every other promotor does. In terms if quality fights and stacked cards nobody has surpassed prime Don King (the crook). If GBP can elevate Sho and bring more subscribers to Sho than HBO then they'll clearly be the #1 promotional outfit. But that and a bus pass gets you on a bus. Big whoop.

hands down...GBP is the BEST!!! :boxing:

Is GBP All That, Some of That, or None of That? :nono:If GBP is the ticket, it remains to be seen. We are nearly in April and haven't seen a big GBP fight yet this year (Hopkins vs Cloud? Please!). Let's see what's coming up: 1) Juan Diaz vs Pipino Cuevas, JR- 4/13/13; Who? Pipino is 16/9, w/all wins & losses by way of KO. How long has Diaz been washed-up? Didn't Juan Manuel Marquez destroy him in 2009? What has he done since? Oh yeah, he retired in 2011! 2) Canelo Alvarez vs Austin Trout-4/20/13; Should be interesting. It's about time we see Canelo fight a big fight w/ a champion of his generation. 3) Danny Garcia vs Zab Judah-4/27/13; Garcia is a good young fighter, while Zab is a former champion whose best days are clearly behind him. Looks like another case when the young and hungry gets to beat up the old and washed-up. 4) Amir Kahn vs Julio Diaz-also 4/27/13; Kahn is a good fighter with a clear inability to take a good punch. It's like owning a Ferrari that blows its engine every time you gun it. Julio lost his title to none other than Juan Diaz in 2007! Sounds like a tune-up fight to me. And last but not least, 5) Floyd Mayweather, JR vs Robert Guerrero-5/4/13; Mayweather still has star power, but for how long? He should easily beat Guerrero, who beat, but could not finish a rather small and weak-chinned Andre Berto. So, is this GBP's "big line up" for the first half of the year? If these types of match-ups are all it can muster, GBP will not likely be named promoter of the year.

simply put, i appreciate GBP's latest efforts in the past couple of years. they try to stack their cards with good match-ups. i mean, top rank has a "take it or leave it" type of attitude in regards to their cards. as for talent, its very close, but edge goes to GBP. GBP: broner, canelo, guerrero, maidana, matthysse, khan, lara, garcia, quillin, russell jr, thurman, (mayweather, b-hop) TR: rios, bradley, donaire, alvarado, mikey garcia, jcc jr, rigo, viloria, juanma,(pac, jmm) HBO will be hurting. Showtime + GBP will do some damage.

Golden Boy must be doing something right if they got Floyd coming back for their services. Hell, he even dropped 50 for trying to instigate and break up their partnership... Even Cotto is on board and making more money than ever.

No such thing as best promoter in this business. Everyone wants to build up undeserving stars. Ask Paul Malignaggi.

Both Golden Boy and Top Rank are the same to me. They both have the same motives and both behave the same

Yea they are. They have the best cards, best fighters, and are wolling to work with anyone.

- Roster/Talent (does GBP have the deepest roster out there) - Yes - Fights made (Does GBP put on the best match ups?) - Quality of cards (as a whole, does GBP put on solid cards) - Yes. Definitely but they are still pretty weak compared to say an MMA card. It's all to do with $$$. - Money (Are they getting bang for their buck? Does GBP overpay its fighters and not get good results?) - Yeah, they probably do overpay their fighters. Though I rather they overpay them than exploit them and make them fight for peanuts. Though if they get paid less, they are more inclined to fight often in order to pay bills. GBP are the strongest stable out there, 5-6 years ago it was Top Rank arguably, I'd say but the top fighters are jumping the sinking Top Rank ship and moving to GBP or Al Haymon and partnering with GBP. I am not a fan of Top Rank at all because Bob Arum just seems to be a very unreasonable, stubborn old man who should leave the business to his son-in-law. GBP actually seem like they want to co-promote but Top Rank don't want any of it. I do hope that the smaller promoters in the states like Lou DiBella get more up and comers though. A monopoly is never really good for the industry in the long term. All of these promoters are shady though, well I'll say 99% of them. Lou DiBella actually seems like a cool guy and that he actually cares for his fighters, who knows though.

LMAO at the names who voted no :rofl:

I agree... why do the other guys have to fight to get Khan? to beat him again or beat a guy the guy they just beat already beat lol

Same thing happening here with Matchroom. Everybody thinks its great what Eddie Haern is doing and how nice it is that FW has been taken out without actually realising that EH is just another version of FW. People have short memories and lack insight. I think bringing an awesome fight like Froch-Kessler II shows that Hearn is a little better than Warren and much more willing to risk his fighters against the best.

The fact that GBP wants to setup a tournament at 140 that let's an entitled loser like Khan sit on his @ss and get a shot at a guy who wins 2 big fights shows why they suck. I like the way Showtime has been trending the last few years but recent events have to have a negative impact on GBP just based off the gap in subscribers between HBO and SHO

Same thing happening here with Matchroom. Everybody thinks its great what Eddie Haern is doing and how nice it is that FW has been taken out without actually realising that EH is just another version of FW. People have short memories and lack insight.