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DAVID HAYE is out of the jungle and insists he is ready to rumble again.
The Hayemaker, 32, climbed aboard the showbiz circuit and finished third in the recent I’m a Celebrity TV show after he knocked out Dereck Chisora in a controversial contest in July.
But he has been eaten away by the thought of quitting without a world heavyweight crown after Wladimir Klitschko added Haye’s WBA title to his WBO and IBF belts with a points win.
If Haye cannot persuade either Wladimir or elder sibling Vitali to face him then he will go down the route of becoming mandatory challenger for any of the four belts currently held by the brothers.
Haye’s lowest world ranking is at five for the WBC version while he is four in both WBO and IBF despite announcing for the second time he had retired.
Such is Haye’s box office appeal he has remained rated as number one contender for the WBA title that is currently held by Alexander Povetkin with Wladimir Klitschko as the ‘super’ champion — a title that grants him special status.
Generally to get into a position to challenge a world champion the top two in any organisation box off and the winner gets the shot at the crown.
It is a well trodden path for Haye, who won the WBC cruiserweight world title as a mandatory challenger for Jean Marc Mormeck.
When a challenger takes that route, it gives reigning world champions no way out unless they give up their title.
Haye went into ‘retirement’ for the first time after losing on points to Klitschko in July 2011.
But he made a return against Chisora where he stopped his rival in five rounds.
Before Haye could be banned for his punch up with Chisora at a press conference he handed back his fight licence.
But he is now prepared to step back in the ring althoughhe will have to re-apply for a fight licence. Chisora will return to the ring on April 20 after yesterday regaining his licence.
THE quickest route to getting a Klitschko in the ring would be to take on Alexander Povetkin for the WBA title.
Povetkin is the reigning WBA champion, with Wladimir Klitschko the ‘super champ’, which affords him special status when it comes to defences.
If Haye, rated as No 1 contender by the WBA, beats Russian Povetkin, an offer could be made to Klitschko.
Brother Vitali is WBC king. Haye is ranked No 5 by that organisation — and a scrap with Manchester’s Tyson Fury would be a cracker.
INDEPENDENT TOP 10: 1 Vitali Klitschko (Ukraine), 2 Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine), 3 Kubrat Pulev (Bulgaria), 4 Tomasz Adamek (USA), 5 David Haye (GB), 6 Alexander Povetkin (Russia), 7 Tony Thompson (USA), 8 Tyson Fury (GB), 9 Odlanier Solis (USA), 10 Robert Helenius (Germany).
How they match up
Wladimir Klitschko
PUNCH POWER: Not nicknamed Dr Steelhammer for nothing. Has KO’d 50 of his 59 opponents.
STAMINA: For such a big man he has supreme balance at all stages.
SPEED: Uses top jab to control and set up thunderous straight rights and a powerful left hook.
VERDICT: Because of his size it would take a foolish, or brave, man to bet against him.
David Haye
PUNCH POWER: The Hayemaker is explosive and effective.
STAMINA: Was ‘blowing out of his backside’ early in his career but has improved in recent years.
SPEED: Best asset. Can deliver KO power in the blink of an eye.
VERDICT: Marked Wladimir in late rounds by getting in range — but would need to gamble a bit more and a bit earlier.
Vitali Klitschko
PUNCH POWER: Instead of looking for the big one uses his size and reach advantage to get stoppages.
STAMINA: Dogged determination makes up for anything he lacks.
SPEED: Noticeably slower now. Dereck Chisora gave him a going over until ring nous took control.
VERDICT: Too cautious to really excite fans. At 41, age would be deciding factor in later stages.
If Haye took a WBC fight and got himself into position to fight for the vacant title when Vitali quits, what would happen? Knowing that Haye would be a heavy favourite to win the vacant belt against whoever he faces, would Vitali refuse to retire and effectively hand it over and instead finally fight Haye himself?
The winner of Arreola vs Stiverne gets a shot at Vitali. Should Vitali retire the winner of that fight becomes WBC champ (I think).
If Haye took a WBC fight and got himself into position to fight for the vacant title when Vitali quits, what would happen? Knowing that Haye would be a heavy favourite to win the vacant belt against whoever he faces, would Vitali refuse to retire and effectively hand it over and instead finally fight Haye himself?
Povetkin, Adamek, Arreola....there are plenty of guys who are 'rated' who Haye would demolish.
Those would be decent fights.
According to the Klit extremists, every one of those would annihilate Haye.
Is that a network that generates a worthwhile revenue?
It's a PPV network, Froch and Khan used to use them and they handled Hatton's last fight too. Obviously they can't promote it as heavily as Sky can but it would still be more money than non PPV.
Povetkin would have better chance than most think, provided he fight on the inside where Haye couldn't leap out with his punches. I doubt we'll see that fight though. Povetkins knows if he beat Wladimir, that would go down as a great victory. If he beat Haye it would merely go down as a good victory. Also, losing to Wladimir could be brushed off as something everyone in the division goes through. The same can't be said for losing to Haye.
I have trouble playing Haye-Helenius out in my mind. I agree Chambers would be a bad stylistic match-up for Haye, although Arreola would be worse still. I don't know what to think of Pulev yet.
It will be interesting to see if Price targets Haye as a way of redeeming his name. The Thompson loss was a big set back. A victory over Haye would redeem him completely and make a fight with Wladimir a big event.
Interesting; but what if Povetkin stops Haye (something Wlad was unable to do). Surely that gives him more bargaining power in negotiations.
Remember, Povetkin was an Olympic gold medalist. He isn't some tomato-can.
Haye is going to do whatever he is going to do. What he says he is going to do is seldom what he ends up doing. I enjoyed his great job of crushing Chisora.
Povetkin-Haye on PPV? Didn't SKY say that there was only 3 fights that would make PPV and I'm confident this fight wasn't one of them.
If they don't want it i'm sure Primetime TV would happily pick it up.
He's getting 25% of the pot if he fights Wlad, but Wlad has that TV deal with RTL. If Haye fights him on Pay-Per View and he gets a good percentage, I reckon he'd wind up making a bit more.
You also have to consider that he's jumped through a lot of hoops to avoid fighting Wladimir.
However, I'm also doubtful of the idea of Haye wanting to fight him. He just doesn't seem to give a ****.
Povetkin-Haye on PPV? Didn't SKY say that there was only 3 fights that would make PPV and I'm confident this fight wasn't one of them.
If Povetkin could get more by fighting Haye than Wlad, then he'd probably take it as I reckon he'd have a better chance of winning against Haye.
Call me pessimistic though. I doubt the purse would be better and I am even more doubtful about Haye really wanting that fight.
Should it happen there's a good chance of it becoming the best HW fight in a very long time.
He's getting 25% of the pot if he fights Wlad, but Wlad has that TV deal with RTL. If Haye fights him on Pay-Per View and he gets a good percentage, I reckon he'd wind up making a bit more.
You also have to consider that he's jumped through a lot of hoops to avoid fighting Wladimir.
However, I'm also doubtful of the idea of Haye wanting to fight him. He just doesn't seem to give a ****.
He'd definitely make more. It'd likely be a 50/50 or 60/40 split; much better than the proposed 80/20 for the Wladimir fight.
If Povetkin could get more by fighting Haye than Wlad, then he'd probably take it as I reckon he'd have a better chance of winning against Haye.
Call me pessimistic though. I doubt the purse would be better and I am even more doubtful about Haye really wanting that fight.
Should it happen there's a good chance of it becoming the best HW fight in a very long time.
Povetkin would have better chance than most think, provided he fight on the inside where Haye couldn't leap out with his punches. I doubt we'll see that fight though. Povetkins knows if he beat Wladimir, that would go down as a great victory. If he beat Haye it would merely go down as a good victory. Also, losing to Wladimir could be brushed off as something everyone in the division goes through. The same can't be said for losing to Haye.
I have trouble playing Haye-Helenius out in my mind. I agree Chambers would be a bad stylistic match-up for Haye, although Arreola would be worse still. I don't know what to think of Pulev yet.
It will be interesting to see if Price targets Haye as a way of redeeming his name. The Thompson loss was a big set back. A victory over Haye would redeem him completely and make a fight with Wladimir a big event.
Povetkin doesn't care about glory he cares about $$$ and if he believes he can make more from an Haye fight and have a better chance of winning he'll go for it.
Chambers does nothing better than Haye, that would be an easy fight.
Arreola while big and strong is a slow plodder and Haye would pot shot all night, if Arreola tries to be more aggressive he gets stopped.
Thompson isn't going to fight Haye now, another loss now would pretty much finish his career.
I said months ago that Haye was lying about retiring.
Alexander Povetkin would be easy work for Haye, who has a similar style to Huck but is faster. Povetkin is too easy to hit.
I think Haye vs. Robert Helenius for WBO mandatory is a real possibility. It would likely result in a Haye decision.
Kubrat Pulev however would have a 75% chance of beating Haye, and Eddie Chambers would be a bad style match-up for Haye.
Povetkin would have better chance than most think, provided he fight on the inside where Haye couldn't leap out with his punches. I doubt we'll see that fight though. Povetkins knows if he beat Wladimir, that would go down as a great victory. If he beat Haye it would merely go down as a good victory. Also, losing to Wladimir could be brushed off as something everyone in the division goes through. The same can't be said for losing to Haye.
I have trouble playing Haye-Helenius out in my mind. I agree Chambers would be a bad stylistic match-up for Haye, although Arreola would be worse still. I don't know what to think of Pulev yet.
It will be interesting to see if Price targets Haye as a way of redeeming his name. The Thompson loss was a big set back. A victory over Haye would redeem him completely and make a fight with Wladimir a big event.
David Haye says he will beat a klitschko. He gets his shot against Wlad and loses a pretty one sided fight. now everyone hates him.
just curious, which HW fighters didn't boast they would beat a Klitschko leading up to a shot at one of them? and how many won?
Povetkin will believe he has a better chance against Haye and will likely make just as much $$$ having a bigger split % than the Wlad fight. There's a good chance this will happen.
He'd definitely make more. It'd likely be a 50/50 or 60/40 split; much better than the proposed 80/20 for the Wladimir fight.
Exactly.
Povetkin would rather follow through with the Wlad fight than face Haye.
Povetkin will believe he has a better chance against Haye and will likely make just as much $$$ having a bigger split % than the Wlad fight. There's a good chance this will happen.