Better ring IQ - Executioner, Money or Dinamita?

Hopkins he's more cerebral than Floyd he doesn't have the quickness/reflexes Floyd does he wins off neutralizing his opponents' best strengths Floyd can just beat guys to the punch so he doesn't have to he lets guys do what they want and counters them to death Hopkins forces guys out of their game completely he has to fight smart, younger guys are physically superior Marquez shouldn't be mentioned with these 2 in this context Very well said. Like I said until I see a 40 year old mayweather outsmarting young guns in his division then it's hopkins.

Hopkins he's more cerebral than Floyd he doesn't have the quickness/reflexes Floyd does he wins off neutralizing his opponents' best strengths Floyd can just beat guys to the punch so he doesn't have to he lets guys do what they want and counters them to death Hopkins forces guys out of their game completely he has to fight smart, younger guys are physically superior Marquez shouldn't be mentioned with these 2 in this context

The Executioner is like fine wine.

B-Hop at 48 gets the fighters to fight his fight. Very savy dude in the ring.

-Mayweather -Hopkins - - - - -Marquez

Gotta go with Floyd.

The Executioner's strength is noticing what hands you drop as you come in, sneaking in shots there, and being able to use his knowledge of what's coming to compliment his ring generalship. Thunder's numerous winging left hooks weren't just dodged or blocked by the Executioner, they were used as an opportunity for the Executioner to regain control of the center of the ring time and time again. He also uses his balance to make it impossible to discern what punch he's about to throw, an uses that to his advantage by subtly making you believe one hand is coming before he throws the other (Tito is a perfect example of this, as is the Ghost in spots). Dinamita's strength is in his ability to open you up through exchanges. He has to take greater risks than either of the other two in order to create opportunities. He's the best at throwing with an opponent, and using his fluidity in exchanges to learn what holes are there to be exploited. Throwing his overhand right over the Baby Bull's jab in the 9th set up the first knockdown, and eventually the KO; Dinamita opened up Pac Man's right hook with a lead left so he could land the right in fight 2 and fight 3; he bobs forward while throwing to the body so he can finish up top, like in Baby Bull 2 & the El Cepillo fight; he even purposefully triggered Money's left from time to time and time an overhand right over the shoulder. Money's strength is baiting a shot and setting a trap, and taking away your best punch by throwing a shot on top of it before you get a chance to deliver. Took away Super and Sugar's rights with lead left hooks, baited Vicious's jab with his own pawing left to shoot his right down the middle, feinted to the Hitman's body after jabbing there to end up throwing a lead right up top, etc. By the time that happens, the fight's practically over. My rationale for ranking them in that order is based on how big of a picture they seem to perceive in the ring, and that fuels into how creative they are with their blend of offense and defense. It seems to me. The Executioner sees everything you could possibly do and slowly limits your options; Dinamita has great awareness of body positioning and uses it to position himself advantageously while pinpointing the more destructive counters; and Money's vision is hyper focused in on what the opponent's priority punches are.

That is the biggest fail of a post ever. I had already said in my first post that Floyd learned boxing from a young age from world class fighters... that has nothing to do with natural athleticism. I then said he displays this by showing his ability to adjust once he is losing a fight (Judah, Mosley), his ability to set traps (The hook that KO Hatton) and how he fights each fight differently (Cotto compared to Corales). I then gave an example of how B-Hop does not perhaps possess the same level of IQ in the way that after 2 fights he could not figure out Taylor... also note how he has to resort to illegal tactics to buy time when he is hurt instead of using boxing IQ to bide his time. I also noted that JMM relies on toughness in toe to toe exchanges sometimes rather than savvy and is in a lot of wars whereas if his IQ was as high as Floyds or Hopkins he would be able to stay off the canvas and out of trouble. Now instead of giving me examples to prove your point or show any evidence to support what you are saying, you have instead just said Floyd has natural abilities??? a) No! abilities are learned not given to you, I think you mean athleticism, yes he has natural athleticism but that does not negate his ring IQ, the way he adjusts etc. b) show me evidence and examples to support your claim that Hop and JMM have superior IQ to Floyd. First off, relax. My post in no way discredits Floyd in anyway, he's a great fighter, better than JMM all time and him and B-Hop are close in the all time rankings. The question was, who has the better iq, which I answered. I never said Floyd has no IQ, or that he's an idiot that just depends on athleticism, I just think JMM and B-hop possess more because they aren't as naturally talented as Floyd. Also, when I said natural talent and you corrected me with the word Athlete, it's semantics man, calm the fuk down. Athletics, natural talent, I meant the same thing. I didn't say skill, which is clearly different. JMM and B-hop to have done this for so long, with a less natural athleticism, ability whatever you want to call it, is proof for me. JMM knocking out Pac and B-Hop winning a world title at 48 says enough.

Floyd is the most naturally talented, he doens't have the highest ring IQ, big difference. I think Hopkins has by far the highest ring IQ because he's 48 and still doing it at a championship level. He is doing that with his IQ, experience and understanding of what rhythm he needs to be fighting at. JMM is second because he's also 40 now and he has had to overcome fighters who are better athletes than him. Floyd is very smart as well in the ring, but he's also had the athletic and physical advantage through his career. He's yet to have to deal with that disadvantage. That is the biggest fail of a post ever. I had already said in my first post that Floyd learned boxing from a young age from world class fighters... that has nothing to do with natural athleticism. I then said he displays this by showing his ability to adjust once he is losing a fight (Judah, Mosley), his ability to set traps (The hook that KO Hatton) and how he fights each fight differently (Cotto compared to Corales). I then gave an example of how B-Hop does not perhaps possess the same level of IQ in the way that after 2 fights he could not figure out Taylor... also note how he has to resort to illegal tactics to buy time when he is hurt instead of using boxing IQ to bide his time. I also noted that JMM relies on toughness in toe to toe exchanges sometimes rather than savvy and is in a lot of wars whereas if his IQ was as high as Floyds or Hopkins he would be able to stay off the canvas and out of trouble. Now instead of giving me examples to prove your point or show any evidence to support what you are saying, you have instead just said Floyd has natural abilities??? a) No! abilities are learned not given to you, I think you mean athleticism, yes he has natural athleticism but that does not negate his ring IQ, the way he adjusts etc. b) show me evidence and examples to support your claim that Hop and JMM have superior IQ to Floyd.

As others have said, Floyd's physical gifts do not exclude him from a conversation of ring savvy. I feel like Floyd adjusts better than anyone in the game. He knows when to shoulder roll, high guard, shell up, walk an opponent down, or give ground. He also knows how to be first and is one of, if not the best counterpunchers in the game. He's very very tactical in there and that's what wins him fights nowadays, not just athleticism. I also feel like he has the kind of style that can keep him relevant in boxing for just as long as Bhop has been. Floyd still edges Bhop in ring IQ, to me, because of his versatility. I'm not going to argue that you're wrong, because they are two incredibly intelligent fighters. Mayweather may be smarter, no reason to get made about someone saying otherwise. But just from a h2h standpoint, when you have two guys with similar skill and intelligence, the one with the superior natural ability will almost always win. So Mayweather hypothetically beating Hopkins doesn't mean he's smarter, he would win because he has more talent.

How can people not say Floyd? Simple because they've seen B-Hop fight.

Floyd has the highest ring IQ outta these guys. Then Hopkins, then JMM. I don't think people realize how Floyd was raised and how long he has been in boxing gyms. He was born into a family of professional fighters, his Dad a defensive expert, Roger a world champion and a master of the right hand and aggression and Jeff with a great defense, movement and jab. He was learning from these guys the day he was born, he was in gyms watching and sparring and learning from guys like Sweet P. You can see his ring IQ in the way he doesn't fight every fight the same and he sets traps and adjusts etc. Hopkins is second, he has been pro for 25 years and has a wealth of experience. He can outsmart almost anyone but he fights almost the same each time and doesn't adjust much. Case in point the Taylor fights, over 2 fights he still couldn't figure out a way to win. Then on this list JMM is next but really Ward should be on the list but anyway JMM is smart but he also relies a lot on toughness and power. When he came into contact with someone who was bigger and faster (Floyd) he just looked stumped, he didn't try anything different in the whole fight, he just ran out of ideas... When Floyd came up against bigger or faster guys he adjusted (Judah, Hoya, etc). Floyd is the most naturally talented, he doens't have the highest ring IQ, big difference. I think Hopkins has by far the highest ring IQ because he's 48 and still doing it at a championship level. He is doing that with his IQ, experience and understanding of what rhythm he needs to be fighting at. JMM is second because he's also 40 now and he has had to overcome fighters who are better athletes than him. Floyd is very smart as well in the ring, but he's also had the athletic and physical advantage through his career. He's yet to have to deal with that disadvantage.

You're almost certainly right that p4p, h2h Mayweather would beat Hopkins prime for prime. That's not because his ring IQ is superior though, that's because Mayweather is a much more naturally gifted fighter than Hopkins ever was. As others have said, Floyd's physical gifts do not exclude him from a conversation of ring savvy. I feel like Floyd adjusts better than anyone in the game. He knows when to shoulder roll, high guard, shell up, walk an opponent down, or give ground. He also knows how to be first and is one of, if not the best counterpunchers in the game. He's very very tactical in there and that's what wins him fights nowadays, not just athleticism. I also feel like he has the kind of style that can keep him relevant in boxing for just as long as Bhop has been. Floyd still edges Bhop in ring IQ, to me, because of his versatility.

Pitting these three great champions against each other is moronic. Each has had a distinguished career and that should be all that matters. I've never thought that there was ever a greatest, maybe some need someone/something to worship but the sport is always changing and growing. There will be new champions with equal claims on "greatness," but that's life and life is not static......

Like I said its a wash between Mayweather and Hopkins two of the smartest fighters to ever lace them up. I cant believe I see posts using Floyds athletic ability against him. Hes a f*cking computer in the ring. Marquez shouldn't even be mentioned with the 2 to be honest.

Floyd has the highest ring IQ outta these guys. Then Hopkins, then JMM. I don't think people realize how Floyd was raised and how long he has been in boxing gyms. He was born into a family of professional fighters, his Dad a defensive expert, Roger a world champion and a master of the right hand and aggression and Jeff with a great defense, movement and jab. He was learning from these guys the day he was born, he was in gyms watching and sparring and learning from guys like Sweet P. You can see his ring IQ in the way he doesn't fight every fight the same and he sets traps and adjusts etc. Hopkins is second, he has been pro for 25 years and has a wealth of experience. He can outsmart almost anyone but he fights almost the same each time and doesn't adjust much. Case in point the Taylor fights, over 2 fights he still couldn't figure out a way to win. Then on this list JMM is next but really Ward should be on the list but anyway JMM is smart but he also relies a lot on toughness and power. When he came into contact with someone who was bigger and faster (Floyd) he just looked stumped, he didn't try anything different in the whole fight, he just ran out of ideas... When Floyd came up against bigger or faster guys he adjusted (Judah, Hoya, etc).

The only guy I have seen beat B-Hop in his prime was Roy. The problem with a Floyd fan using losses or that Loss is that Roy would embarrass Floyd if they were the same size and both in there prime. So an 8 rounds to 4 loss to Roy isn't bad when Roy would probably win 11 rounds to 1 against Floyd if not sweep his @ss or possibly KO him. I wouldnt be surprised if Roy stopped Floyd.

I could easily imagine that Floyd would/will lose to much faster fighters when he's nearly 50 years old. We'll see what he looks like in another 4 or so years at 40. BHop was 40. Just think about that. Until then it's pretty hard to judge on that standard alone. Also, it has nothing to do with resume. We are talking purely about their ring intelligence. Floyd still has much greater physical gifts than BHop and nearly, if not as high or maybe even higher, a boxing IQ. I can't really decide. Honestly, they are both about even to me. I think they are arguable though, but simply because BHop can't use his speed, power etc to win, he uses very savvy footwork, great feints, and beautiful inside fighting to win. Floyd does too, but he can rely on more to win. BHop can't. Marquez is very savvy too, but he's offensively bent. His smartness lies in offense, and not as much defense. He has great footwork, much, much underlooked....People often talk about Pac's footwork as this thing of beauty and yet Marquez completely nullified with his own footwork. Footwork doesn't need to be fast or bouncy or look good, it has to be effective. He also has great feints, and he used to have good defense but that seems to have greatly diminished with age and his more offensive approach. He can now struggle to adjust defensively. You have to remember Juan M.Marquez used to be very defensive. But changed to an offesive fighter after his controlversal lose to Chris John. He could have been just like Hopkins and Floyd playing the waiting game. Marquez transformation has been a total 360 from when he first started his career. Some of us still remember how borring Mayweather and Hopkins both were because they just sit back and wait for the opening or work for the opening at "their" pace (something Marquez used to do). Marquez IQ is equvlint to any boxer of today. Old fighters have the power to the last minute, its the last thing to go. Don't think these guys aint feeling Hopkins power, he's a natural Light Heavy who fought as a middleweight, being at middleweight gave him that experiance he has today at light heavy.

The only guy I have seen beat B-Hop in his prime was Roy. The problem with a Floyd fan using losses or that Loss is that Roy would embarrass Floyd if they were the same size and both in there prime. So an 8 rounds to 4 loss to Roy isn't bad when Roy would probably win 11 rounds to 1 against Floyd if not sweep his @ss or possibly KO him. That fight vs Roy is closer than the score cards show too.

I would go with Mayweather and then Bhop I love Marquez but he does get careless alot in the ring those two are simply on a different level