How did YOU score Matthysse vs Judah?

How can you win rounds for just controlling the pace while the other guy lands solid body punches on you? Just saying "i think he did better is not analyzing a round tho. How did he do better? Everybody score fight different but you score fights without giving credit for punches landed. How can "controlling the pace" win rounds? Real boxers control the pace to land the better shots. This is the point im trying to make. Jabbing and running into the air cannot win you rounds unless it sets you up to land the better punches How can you give a guy rounds for negating the other guy from doing too much, even if he does more then you, meaning lands better punches? Who cares if Lucas didnt cut the ring off good? Judah was running so bad that round, it was embarrassing, that wasnt boxing. He also landed nothing and ran, so that means he wins the round? Lucas is the only one that landed punches in that round, judah landed a weak glancing jab at 1:15 while running away that he almost fell down. He tried a left at :44 and he threw it while trying to run again and it didnt reach his face but lampley made it as some huge punch. Right before that lucas landed a hard str8 right and a combo.....same with his left at the bell, it didnt reach lucas. Also judah's flurry consisted of punches that came nowhere close to reaching Lucas but the crowd ohh'd and aww'd I'll just answer why I gave the 12th rd to Judah.. I thought Matt's got sloppy and a bit over confident of a KO and it made him lose focus..Judah was able to avoid big shots in the 12th while scoring on Matt's..Clear punches that landed..But if you don't want to acknowledge the shot because it did not visible wobble or drop Matt's then that's your business..if were talking about punches landed in the 12th,it was clear that Judah landed clear and clean punches as much as Matt's did..Not to mention it was Matt's who looked sloppy,and Judah who look back on steady legs and negating(making Matt's ineffective)Matt's offense..

Thanks for posting your RBR Rome-By-TKO. I'll take the fourth round as an example of where there seems to be some difference. Here's the thing. Judah lands almost nothing in this round. He scores with a nice double jab with about 30 seconds left, and he scores with a hook right before the bell. That's it though. The best shot of the round by far is a Matthysse short right hand on the inside with about 2.42 on the clock. On top of that, Matthysse scores with three clear bodyshots in the second minute of the round, including a nice left uppercut to the right of Zab's body with about 1.23 on the clock. The most prolonged exchange of the round comes in the 5 seconds before the bell. Matthysse steps to his left avoiding a Judah jab, and lands a right to Zab's stomach. Zab counters with his best shot of the round, a left hook, which Lucas answers with another straight right bodyshot. Zab tries to land another jab before the bell, but Lucas lands another straight right to the body. If we are to score this round on punches landed, then it is a clear Matthysse round. Zab lands one power shot in the round. I cannot see a way to give this round to Zab based on scoring shots. There is also no real way to award him the round on the basis of ring generalship, given that neither guy has real control in that respect. Zab throws a lot of air jabs, and Lucas throws a lot of bodyshots that Zab evades. Again, it seems to come down to guys not scoring bodywork, which based on the arguments I've seen (and to be fair RBTKO is one of the very few who's offered one) seems to be the cause of a few people not seeing this fight for Lucas. No problem man,good thread.. I give credit for body shots tho..But imo Zab caught a lot of those shots on his arms or just avoided them in general..I was impressed with how Zab kept his cool(not in rds 10 or 11 but you get what I mean),used his Jab(that landed with more consistency then your acknowledging)and had Matt's looking ineffective imo..I have to count both,jabs,just like I have to count rights to the body right??They are both being used effectively,so I look at who's being favored by the pace and action in the fight..That's clearly Judah in this rd bro.. Matt's while getting in a body shot(clearly)here or there is chasing(not cutting the ring off to then be more effective and in better position)and being hit with a jab and not inflecting punishment..I thought they fought how Zab wanted to fight in that rd,which is what I mean when I say,I thought it was a Judah rd.. I mean your way of scoring is not wrong and I'm not questioning it..But I'am questioning a robbery claim on this fight..

Rds one and two,I thought Judah controlled pace and use his jab really well..But they were also close rds,Matt's landed some solid body shots in there as well.. How can you win rounds for just controlling the pace while the other guy lands solid body punches on you? I'm not going to go over every punch landed..So I give a summery of how I saw the rd..Once again(and get this through ya fuccking head please)everyone scores a fight and see's a fight how they see it..Your way of scoring or talking about a fight may differ from others..That's the way of the world..Be an adult and deal with it already..jeez.. Just saying "i think he did better is not analyzing a round tho. How did he do better? Everybody score fight different but you score fights without giving credit for punches landed. How can "controlling the pace" win rounds? Real boxers control the pace to land the better shots. This is the point im trying to make. Jabbing and running into the air cannot win you rounds unless it sets you up to land the better punches The 12th I gave to Judah because he was effective at negating what Matt's wanted to do in there..Matt's did not cut off the ring,he chased and followed Judah..Judah did nothing you say,yet Judah hit Matt's with a few straight lefts..While Matt's work rate was still ok he did not land anything flush in the 12 while Judah landed 3 solid shots and(like I've already said)controlled Matt's.. I believe Matt's was excited and believe he could get Judah out of there and forgot about cutting the ring off..He got real sloppy in the 12th imo,and it coast him..BTW the judges all had really good and close scorecards I might add.. How can you give a guy rounds for negating the other guy from doing too much, even if he does more then you, meaning lands better punches? Who cares if Lucas didnt cut the ring off good? Judah was running so bad that round, it was embarrassing, that wasnt boxing. He also landed nothing and ran, so that means he wins the round? Lucas is the only one that landed punches in that round, judah landed a weak glancing jab at 1:15 while running away that he almost fell down. He tried a left at :44 and he threw it while trying to run again and it didnt reach his face but lampley made it as some huge punch. Right before that lucas landed a hard str8 right and a combo.....same with his left at the bell, it didnt reach lucas. Also judah's flurry consisted of punches that came nowhere close to reaching Lucas but the crowd ohh'd and aww'd

Thanks for posting your RBR Rome-By-TKO. I'll take the fourth round as an example of where there seems to be some difference. Rd 4.A Judah rd imo,neither did very much,but I thought Judah landed the better punches throughout the rd..But this was a close rd imo.. Here's the thing. Judah lands almost nothing in this round. He scores with a nice double jab with about 30 seconds left, and he scores with a hook right before the bell. That's it though. The best shot of the round by far is a Matthysse short right hand on the inside with about 2.42 on the clock. On top of that, Matthysse scores with three clear bodyshots in the second minute of the round, including a nice left uppercut to the right of Zab's body with about 1.23 on the clock. The most prolonged exchange of the round comes in the 5 seconds before the bell. Matthysse steps to his left avoiding a Judah jab, and lands a right to Zab's stomach. Zab counters with his best shot of the round, a left hook, which Lucas answers with another straight right bodyshot. Zab tries to land another jab before the bell, but Lucas lands another straight right to the body. If we are to score this round on punches landed, then it is a clear Matthysse round. Zab lands one power shot in the round. I cannot see a way to give this round to Zab based on scoring shots. There is also no real way to award him the round on the basis of ring generalship, given that neither guy has real control in that respect. Zab throws a lot of air jabs, and Lucas throws a lot of bodyshots that Zab evades. Again, it seems to come down to guys not scoring bodywork, which based on the arguments I've seen (and to be fair RBTKO is one of the very few who's offered one) seems to be the cause of a few people not seeing this fight for Lucas.

You actually had it 6-6, giving Lucas the win Rounds 1,2 you actually complimented Lucas on landing but give judah the rounds? How can you give an analysis of a round and give it to a fighter without saying what he actually did to win the round and gave the other guy the best punches? Saying "lucas didnt do enough" isnt a reason to give Judah the round. You have to say what Judah did to win that round. Round 12, how can you give it to judah? He was on his bike getting chased, and held when close. He did nothing and Lucas didnt do much until the last min when he landed good shots to the chest, a bodyshot when zab tried to tie up and a few flurries, while zab didnt land anything. There was a flurry in the last 15 secs from zab that made the crowd ohh and aww but his combo didnt even reach Lucas. Thats an easy lucas round Your analysis doesnt have any info on actual punches landed Rds one and two,I thought Judah controlled pace and use his jab really well..But they were also close rds,Matt's landed some solid body shots in there as well.. I'm not going to go over every punch landed..So I give a summery of how I saw the rd..Once again(and get this through ya fuccking head please)everyone scores a fight and see's a fight how they see it..Your way of scoring or talking about a fight may differ from others..That's the way of the world..Be an adult and deal with it already..jeez.. The 12th I gave to Judah because he was effective at negating what Matt's wanted to do in there..Matt's did not cut off the ring,he chased and followed Judah..Judah did nothing you say,yet Judah hit Matt's with a few straight lefts..While Matt's work rate was still ok he did not land anything flush in the 12 while Judah landed 3 solid shots and(like I've already said)controlled Matt's.. I believe Matt's was excited and believe he could get Judah out of there and forgot about cutting the ring off..He got real sloppy in the 12th imo,and it coast him..BTW the judges all had really good and close scorecards I might add..

My rd by rd..I'm watching the fight right now,as well.. Rd 1.Good rd for Zab imo..But Matt's worked his jab to the body as well tho..But all in all a Judah rd imo.. Rd 2.Zab's rd again imo,they are fighting at the pace that Judah wants..Some really good body shots in this rd for Lucas,not enough for me to give him the rd,but I see ya boy boy..Oh and really good corner work from team Matt's..I know that's Sergio's trainer I just forgot his name..That dude is a really good trainer,damn shame they won't let him back in the US.. Rd 3.I gave it to Matt's..Judah did not do enough this rd,he landed a solid uppercut(Zab)but not enough imo to win the rd.. Rd 4.A Judah rd imo,neither did very much,but I thought Judah landed the better punches throughout the rd..But this was a close rd imo.. Rd 5.Another Zab rd imo..Zab work the jab,moved around and controlled the pace of rd..I thought this was one of Zabs best rds so far,and clearly a rd he won.. Rd.6This was a Matt's rd imo..Outworked Judah by a lot..Landed some crushing body shots and some get work up top as well..Matt's rd imo.. Rd 7.I gave this rd to Judah,landed the more effective shots..Landed with the jab..Best punch of the rd was Matt's overhand right..But he was continuing to throw the body shots..I think Judah was catching a lot of them but good to see them back and consistent..Close rd,I like Judah's work better in it.. Rd 8.Another rd for Judah imo..Close rd tho,but imo Judah controlled it again..I also thought he landed the cleaner harder shots this rd as well.. Rd 9.Matt's rd,his work rate was back and up again..Landed good shot to the head and body..Zab also looked very fatigued in this rd,was not working much..Even Zabs movement became very sloppy..Very good come back rd for Matt's imo.. Rd 10.Clearly a Matt's rd,he scores a KD and seriously hurt Judah..Nice rd for Matt's.. Rd 11.Another rd I have to score for Matt's..Work rate hard shots to the head and body..I thought a clear Matt's rd.. Rd 12.Close rd,I gave it to Judah..Although avoiding,Matt's could not cut off the ring and I felt both of them landed pretty good shots.. But long story short,there was no robbery in this fight..it was nothing more then a close fight.. 7-6 Judah.. You actually had it 6-6, giving Lucas the win Rounds 1,2 you actually complimented Lucas on landing but give judah the rounds? How can you give an analysis of a round and give it to a fighter without saying what he actually did to win the round and gave the other guy the best punches? Saying "lucas didnt do enough" isnt a reason to give Judah the round. You have to say what Judah did to win that round. Round 12, how can you give it to judah? He was on his bike getting chased, and held when close. He did nothing and Lucas didnt do much until the last min when he landed good shots to the chest, a bodyshot when zab tried to tie up and a few flurries, while zab didnt land anything. There was a flurry in the last 15 secs from zab that made the crowd ohh and aww but his combo didnt even reach Lucas. Thats an easy lucas round Your analysis doesnt have any info on actual punches landed

My rd by rd..I'm watching the fight right now,as well.. Rd 1.Good rd for Zab imo..But Matt's worked his jab to the body as well tho..But all in all a Judah rd imo.. Rd 2.Zab's rd again imo,they are fighting at the pace that Judah wants..Some really good body shots in this rd for Lucas,not enough for me to give him the rd,but I see ya boy boy..Oh and really good corner work from team Matt's..I know that's Sergio's trainer I just forgot his name..That dude is a really good trainer,damn shame they won't let him back in the US.. Rd 3.I gave it to Matt's..Judah did not do enough this rd,he landed a solid uppercut(Zab)but not enough imo to win the rd.. Rd 4.A Judah rd imo,neither did very much,but I thought Judah landed the better punches throughout the rd..But this was a close rd imo.. Rd 5.Another Zab rd imo..Zab work the jab,moved around and controlled the pace of rd..I thought this was one of Zabs best rds so far,and clearly a rd he won.. Rd.6This was a Matt's rd imo..Outworked Judah by a lot..Landed some crushing body shots and some get work up top as well..Matt's rd imo.. Rd 7.I gave this rd to Judah,landed the more effective shots..Landed with the jab..Best punch of the rd was Matt's overhand right..But he was continuing to throw the body shots..I think Judah was catching a lot of them but good to see them back and consistent..Close rd,I like Judah's work better in it.. Rd 8.Another rd for Judah imo..Close rd tho,but imo Judah controlled it again..I also thought he landed the cleaner harder shots this rd as well.. Rd 9.Matt's rd,his work rate was back and up again..Landed good shot to the head and body..Zab also looked very fatigued in this rd,was not working much..Even Zabs movement became very sloppy..Very good come back rd for Matt's imo.. Rd 10.Clearly a Matt's rd,he scores a KD and seriously hurt Judah..Nice rd for Matt's.. Rd 11.Another rd I have to score for Matt's..Work rate hard shots to the head and body..I thought a clear Matt's rd.. Rd 12.Close rd,I gave it to Judah..Although avoiding,Matt's could not cut off the ring and I felt both of them landed pretty good shots.. But long story short,there was no robbery in this fight..it was nothing more then a close fight.. 7-6 Judah..

no kidding. "Matthysse's ability far outweighs the hype"? i guess that view depends on where you look. on boxing forums, his hype far outweighs his ability. he's just another damn solid but methodical contender who can punch, but the forum cultists are touting him as this killer. the difference between myth and reality couldn't be better illustrated. sic balls, Choppy. I can dig it brother..

A thread with alot of people saying it's a robbery and most eveybody agreeing Lucas should have won. Look at this thread, people calling robbery, a couple saying Judah won but almost everyone agreeing Lucas won it. That's not what I saw..But I did see I felt the fight was a draw the night of..Wow this fight feels like ages ago.. I'm going to watch this fight tomorrow..

Look up the threads from that fight and look at how many people call it a robbery. If you were here then you know that. Nobody is rewriting history, this was being said from day one. The video of the fights are on YouTube, anybody can see it was a robbery What's impressive? The Judah fight was lackluster but all he was doing was spoiling and running, still one it clearly. Devon did the same, and Lucas kicked his ass, and that was right after his super fight. You know how styles affect fights, nobody like impressive against Devon but look at the quality of posters who say it was in comparison to who said it wasnt. theres plenty of ppl on here who simply dont know the difference between a close fight and a robbery. its clear as day. and whats not impressive? having a close fight with zab judah. i mean i consider mathysse a boxer puncher. i think it best accurately describes his style. hes not that far off from miguel cotto in fact. a much younger cotto pretty much dominated a younger judah in an entertaining fight. sure, cotto is the better boxer but he also lacks the power mathysse has. after that fight, judah also got blasted by amir khan. different styles, i know. but it give more than enough room for pause for the hype. having a close fight with zab judah does not lend well to it at all. and like i said, i think hes a good fighter, maybe the best at 140, but hes not clearly better than any of the top fighters at that weight. its funny that ppl seem to think he is.

Judah won maybe 2 rounds tops.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436014 typical nsb. these opinions from the fight night, many by very good posters no longer here. now all of a sudden its the second coming of whitaker/chavez. and ppl sit here and argue with these lames...smh. A thread with alot of people saying it's a robbery and most eveybody agreeing Lucas should have won. Look at this thread, people calling robbery, a couple saying Judah won but almost everyone agreeing Lucas won it.

Wow no need to own him so badly.. i dont have a problem with russian. we go back n forth all the time hes gotten me and vice versa. hes typically a good poster esp when compared to most of the trolls around here, but he goes too far sometimes. this fight was not a robbery.

ppl jocking him rite now rewriting history. back when the fight happened most thought it was a close fight. i was here. now all of a suddent everyone comes outta the woodworks and claims it was a robbery. please. u keep arguing trying to convince other grown men to agree with u. i could see if ppl were actually judah fans or math haters, but there are plenty of good posters who thought it was close as well. u saw what u saw, and others clearly saw something different. whatever the case may be, neither man looked that impressive that night. and in fact, mathysee hasnt looked impressive in either of his supposed losses for all the hype he gets and ppl on this site typically view both judah and alexander as crap. but we will see in this peterson fight how superior he is to the rest of the field. Look up the threads from that fight and look at how many people call it a robbery. If you were here then you know that. Nobody is rewriting history, this was being said from day one. The video of the fights are on YouTube, anybody can see it was a robbery What's impressive? The Judah fight was lackluster but all he was doing was spoiling and running, still one it clearly. Devon did the same, and Lucas kicked his ass, and that was right after his super fight. You know how styles affect fights, nobody like impressive against Devon

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436014 typical nsb. these opinions from the fight night, many by very good posters no longer here. now all of a sudden its the second coming of whitaker/chavez. and ppl sit here and argue with these lames...smh. Wow no need to own him so badly..

ppl jocking him rite now rewriting history. back when the fight happened most thought it was a close fight. i was here. now all of a suddent everyone comes outta the woodworks and claims it was a robbery. please. u keep arguing trying to convince other grown men to agree with u. i could see if ppl were actually judah fans or math haters, but there are plenty of good posters who thought it was close as well. u saw what u saw, and others clearly saw something different. whatever the case may be, neither man looked that impressive that night. and in fact, mathysee hasnt looked impressive in either of his supposed losses for all the hype he gets and ppl on this site typically view both judah and alexander as crap. but we will see in this peterson fight how superior he is to the rest of the field. The bold, so fuckin' true man.

And that's what most sensible ppl think. But this site is polluted by ppl who wanna call any fight that's decently close a robbery. Esp when it involves a fighter they are jocking. That fight was in no way a robbery And I had mathysse winning as well. Another top post,jeez..

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436014 typical nsb. these opinions from the fight night, many by very good posters no longer here. now all of a sudden its the second coming of whitaker/chavez. and ppl sit here and argue with these lames...smh.

NOBODY was jocking Lucas, nobody even knew who he was. :lol1: People jocking a unknown fighter? That makes sense. It was called a robbery from the day that fight happened when lucas had no fans ppl jocking him rite now rewriting history. back when the fight happened most thought it was a close fight. i was here. now all of a suddent everyone comes outta the woodworks and claims it was a robbery. please. u keep arguing trying to convince other grown men to agree with u. i could see if ppl were actually judah fans or math haters, but there are plenty of good posters who thought it was close as well. u saw what u saw, and others clearly saw something different. whatever the case may be, neither man looked that impressive that night. and in fact, mathysee hasnt looked impressive in either of his supposed losses for all the hype he gets and ppl on this site typically view both judah and alexander as crap. but we will see in this peterson fight how superior he is to the rest of the field.

How many clear Judah rounds were there in this fight? 7 and 4, and maybe 1