Miguel Cotto vs Victor Ortiz

I say Cotto wins that fight. Even if the Victor that showed up for Berto comes into the ring. The Cotto that fought Mayweather/Margarito will be problems for Ortiz. Someone said it previously though. Ortiz needs to take the winner of Maidana/Lopez. That'll REALLY put him back on the radar. Especially if he wins. Ps. You guys need to realize that his jaw breaking had nothing to do with Lopez. There are several factors that could go into it, your jaw just doesn't get punched once and breaks. It could be dietary, accumulation of small degeneration from fights or maybe things that happen outside of boxing that we may not know. Either way, stop giving him **** for it. It's wack to go into a fight, talk and then quit but it's a sport and he had every right to, if he felt that it was too much. Since he was winning the fight.

Ortiz has no heart and Cotto would rape him no doubt.This fight won't go to the 12th round. I agree with you Bro, Miguel is a lot more battle tested than Ortiz, the longer the fights go, it will favor Cotto, but I am also giving Victor a puncher's chance, one thing for sure we will see a lot of action...

This fight ironically seems to make a lot of sense. Both guys are coming off losses, both have exciting styles, Ortiz can easily make 154, Cotto is working with Golden Boy freely now, and a win by both can put them back in the hunt. Anyone else wanna see this? Ortiz has no heart and Cotto would rape him no doubt.This fight won't go to the 12th round.

Miguel all the way...!

Canelo/Ortiz vs Cotto sounds great to me! Make it happen Golden Boy...

Pick em. Cotto is superior but he wouldn't react well to Victor's power. Edge to Ortiz if he made it a brawl. Edge to Cotto if Ortiz tried to box.

I'd like to see it. We could see where Cotto is at in his career. It'd be exciting if anything.

This fight makes sense right now. It'd be a barn burner. Ortiz is ready for 154.

Cotto outboxes Ortiz for the first half and Ortiz KOs him later.

I think that would be a good fight with somebody getting KOed. I favor Cotto. I think he has better overall skills and he is much more dependable.

I've been wanting to seethis fight, but at welter. Would be great IMO. It's 50/50 for me.

Honestly, who gives a crap about belts? Canelo-Cotto didn't need to be legitimized by some crappy alphabet soup belt; the fight was going to sell regardless. Who was "they" that wanted Cotto to beat Trout? If you're referring to Golden Boy, I'm sure they would have much rather preferred Cotto to take a much easier fight to make their mega fight. I never said that K-9 was ever in the picture, I just stated that if Cotto was so desperate for a belt (as you claim), then he could have just easily fought K-9 for his belt. No, I answered you're claim that Cotto was not fighting for anything, he was...Trouts belt. GB wanted Cotto vs Canelo, that was the route they would have preferred. Bigger money fight. no your implying Cotto NEEDED to beat Trout in order to get the Canelo fight.... thats not true... im saying Cotto wanted the strap for more leverage during negotiations... Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android I didn't imply anything like that, I basically am saying the same thing you are saying. GB wanted Cotto vs Canelo, they said it many times, it was the biggest fight available. Why do you think Trout was so happy to get Canelo? He's the cash cow right now.

If Cotto has anything left, he would make Ortiz quit again

Quote: Originally Posted by _original_ You're not making a lot of sense here bro. All I'm saying is that Cotto didn't have to fight Trout, nobody was even really asking for that fight. Cotto took it for whatever reason and paid the price, end of story. I don't get where you came up with this idea that Cotto had to fight Trout in order to get Canelo. Because it was already being discussed. Cotto vs Canelo was the fight they wanted but wanted to lagitimize the fight with the belt. What they really wanted was Cotto to beat Trout and then set up a big fight on PPV between Canelo and Cotto, Trout fuked that up. K9 was never in the picture. Quote: Originally Posted by thatdudespits Goldenboy didnt even want the Trout fight...they openly expressed this... it was Cotto's choice...it definitely wasnt a semi-final for Canelo.... Cotto wanted the belt i guess for bargaining chips during negotiation for the Canelo fight... (ring walk, announcing, money) Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android You just answered you're own point there....lol no your implying Cotto NEEDED to beat Trout in order to get the Canelo fight.... thats not true... im saying Cotto wanted the strap for more leverage during negotiations... Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Because it was already being discussed. Cotto vs Canelo was the fight they wanted but wanted to lagitimize the fight with the belt. What they really wanted was Cotto to beat Trout and then set up a big fight on PPV between Canelo and Cotto, Trout fuked that up. K9 was never in the picture. l Honestly, who gives a crap about belts? Canelo-Cotto didn't need to be legitimized by some crappy alphabet soup belt; the fight was going to sell regardless. Who was "they" that wanted Cotto to beat Trout? If you're referring to Golden Boy, I'm sure they would have much rather preferred Cotto to take a much easier fight to make their mega fight. I never said that K-9 was ever in the picture, I just stated that if Cotto was so desperate for a belt (as you claim), then he could have just easily fought K-9 for his belt.

I don't get where you came up with this idea that Cotto had to fight Trout in order to get Canelo. Good point.

Quote: Originally Posted by _original_ You're not making a lot of sense here bro. All I'm saying is that Cotto didn't have to fight Trout, nobody was even really asking for that fight. Cotto took it for whatever reason and paid the price, end of story. I don't get where you came up with this idea that Cotto had to fight Trout in order to get Canelo. Because it was already being discussed. Cotto vs Canelo was the fight they wanted but wanted to lagitimize the fight with the belt. What they really wanted was Cotto to beat Trout and then set up a big fight on PPV between Canelo and Cotto, Trout fuked that up. K9 was never in the picture. Quote: Originally Posted by thatdudespits Goldenboy didnt even want the Trout fight...they openly expressed this... it was Cotto's choice...it definitely wasnt a semi-final for Canelo.... Cotto wanted the belt i guess for bargaining chips during negotiation for the Canelo fight... (ring walk, announcing, money) Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android You just answered you're own point there....lol K9 was in the picture.... according to K9 he turned down the Cotto fight because he wasnt offered enough money... i bet hes sorry now....he lost his belt to ishe smith for chump change... Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Quote: Originally Posted by _original_ Quote: Originally Posted by Cuauhtémoc1520 Hahaha, do you really believe that? Look man no disrespect but #1 they have two different promotional companies. #2 The winner of Cotto vs Trout was supposed to be to fight Canelo. Canelo was the ultimate goal in both Trout and Cotto, he's where the money is at. Unfortunately Trout threw a monkey wrench in Cotto's plans and set him back. You won't find a bigger fan of Canlo's than Cotto when he fights Trout. Cotto wants a couple of last big paydays before he calls it quits. Cotto is a warrior but you need to understand the way the boxing biz works, Cotto like every other fighter is seeking the bigger money fights and that's with Canelo. You're not making a lot of sense here bro. All I'm saying is that Cotto didn't have to fight Trout, nobody was even really asking for that fight. Cotto took it for whatever reason and paid the price, end of story. I don't get where you came up with this idea that Cotto had to fight Trout in order to get Canelo. Goldenboy didnt even want the Trout fight...they openly expressed this... it was Cotto's choice...it definitely wasnt a semi-final for Canelo.... Cotto wanted the belt i guess for bargaining chips during negotiation for the Canelo fight... (ring walk, announcing, money) Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android The boxing fans wouldnt let canelo get away with another bumfight ...so they are now being forced to test him in a high risk fight.... at least the Cotto fight was high risk, high reward... Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

You're not making a lot of sense here bro. All I'm saying is that Cotto didn't have to fight Trout, nobody was even really asking for that fight. Cotto took it for whatever reason and paid the price, end of story. I don't get where you came up with this idea that Cotto had to fight Trout in order to get Canelo. Because it was already being discussed. Cotto vs Canelo was the fight they wanted but wanted to lagitimize the fight with the belt. What they really wanted was Cotto to beat Trout and then set up a big fight on PPV between Canelo and Cotto, Trout fuked that up. K9 was never in the picture. Goldenboy didnt even want the Trout fight...they openly expressed this... it was Cotto's choice...it definitely wasnt a semi-final for Canelo.... Cotto wanted the belt i guess for bargaining chips during negotiation for the Canelo fight... (ring walk, announcing, money) Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android You just answered you're own point there....lol

Quote: Originally Posted by Cuauhtémoc1520 Hahaha, do you really believe that? Look man no disrespect but #1 they have two different promotional companies. #2 The winner of Cotto vs Trout was supposed to be to fight Canelo. Canelo was the ultimate goal in both Trout and Cotto, he's where the money is at. Unfortunately Trout threw a monkey wrench in Cotto's plans and set him back. You won't find a bigger fan of Canlo's than Cotto when he fights Trout. Cotto wants a couple of last big paydays before he calls it quits. Cotto is a warrior but you need to understand the way the boxing biz works, Cotto like every other fighter is seeking the bigger money fights and that's with Canelo. You're not making a lot of sense here bro. All I'm saying is that Cotto didn't have to fight Trout, nobody was even really asking for that fight. Cotto took it for whatever reason and paid the price, end of story. I don't get where you came up with this idea that Cotto had to fight Trout in order to get Canelo. Goldenboy didnt even want the Trout fight...they openly expressed this... it was Cotto's choice...it definitely wasnt a semi-final for Canelo.... Cotto wanted the belt i guess for bargaining chips during negotiation for the Canelo fight... (ring walk, announcing, money) Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android