Mayweather's 147-154 resume

He was slower, threw less punches and his shots lacked pop i think he was mentally ready for the fight but was pass his physical prime, just compare him to some of his fights at welter He threw over 800 punches, that probably higher than any other Pac opponent by 70%. Of course his output would drop a little vs his quickest moving opponent ever. Lack of power, well it's hard to tell what he had without plaster, but he hurt Pac more than anyone in years. And speed, I hope you're joking. oh btw, when are you adding JMM to your avatar. He's fought in 2 CW bouts he requested, exact same as Pac

Hey man, get back to me on this sometime, explain what makes you think this. Fighters get KOed all the time and don't go shot. Yes, he struggled to make weight. You think worse than all those years he tried to make 147? What I saw in the ring, - he threw more punches than any Pac opponent by a big margin - he landed more punches ... - he hurt Pac worse than anyone at welter+ till JMM 4 - he showed an intact cast iron chin and resolve He was slower, threw less punches and his shots lacked pop i think he was mentally ready for the fight but was pass his physical prime, just compare him to some of his fights at welter

When its broken down like that its so easy to see just how bad his level of competition has been. In 8 years that is all he has fought? And I know people will say they was #1 or #2 at the time but that is only because he has waited years for the division(s) to thin out. ''Its his 4th weight class'' Please! Lets face it he wasted most of his prime. I can't support the guy any longer and haven't for years, hes a joke. Mitchell, Boldomir, Ortiz Cotto, 40yr old Mosley. Just names when he fought them. Err. Just retire, I cba spending the next 3 years listening to Larry defend the sh1t you fight. just what i was thinking

Margarito was just shot at that stage Hey man, get back to me on this sometime, explain what makes you think this. Fighters get KOed all the time and don't go shot. Yes, he struggled to make weight. You think worse than all those years he tried to make 147? What I saw in the ring, - he threw more punches than any Pac opponent by a big margin - he landed more punches ... - he hurt Pac worse than anyone at welter+ till JMM 4 - he showed an intact cast iron chin and resolve

I think the Trinidad that fought Vargas would beat every one of them, probably by KO.

I'm just going by Cotto's quote, not the reporter's words/interpretation. I also think that if Cotto could still fight at 147 he'd do so in a heartbeat. There isn't one top contender at 154 that doesn't look considerably taller/larger than Cotto. There you go, Cotto is tiny and flabby at 154, and probably too comfy/lazy to try to make 147. How is 150 unfair to him, it's right in his sweet spot. He also blamed Pac 2 falling through over money. Consider what he would have made for Trout. Puts any weight excuses in context. Mind you, I don't care it fell through, just sick of the weight excuse when 150 is optimal for Cotto, and far from for Pac.

From your list I would take Trinidad (although Oscar gave him all he could handle) and maybe Williams.

You're nitpicking: That's multiple statements that he's fine with 150, and 1 you could read as 151. So he took the other fight for 1/3 the money over 1lb and imprecise language? Makes sense, he wasn't gonna defend his 154 belt for Marg 2 unless it was at most 153 :lol1: So have you found another instance of a champ asking to defend at a catchweight vs a divisional contender? How about vs medically unfit non contender? I'm just going by Cotto's quote, not the reporter's words/interpretation. I also think that if Cotto could still fight at 147 he'd do so in a heartbeat. There isn't one top contender at 154 that doesn't look considerably taller/larger than Cotto.

Well, in that article Cotto did say "If Pacquiao wants to fight me again, it must be above 150 pounds." I think that suggests that he isn't willing to be weight drained down to 150 either. He was also calling all the shots against Trout so he could have arranged for the fight to be at a lower weight if he wanted to. You're nitpicking: Cotto will not budge from his position of refusing to fight below 150-pounds. Pacquiao is refusing to fight Cotto above the welterweight limit of 147. However, Mayweather has no problem with fighting Cotto at 150 or above."I will not fight below 150 pounds. Mayweather Jr. said he has no problem going up to 154 to fight me. Pacquiao is the one who objected and wants me to once again come down to a weight between 145 and 147 pounds. If Pacquiao had no trouble going up to 150 to fight Margarito, why is there a set requirement for me to go down again? Does he fear me? If Pacquiao wants to fight me again, it must be above 150 pounds. I will not continue to sacrifice my body to lose weight That's multiple statements that he's fine with 150, and 1 you could read as 151. So he took the other fight for 1/3 the money over 1lb and imprecise language? Makes sense, he wasn't gonna defend his 154 belt for Marg 2 unless it was at most 153 :lol1: So have you found another instance of a champ asking to defend at a catchweight vs a divisional contender? How about vs medically unfit non contender?

It's simple man, he felt like a boss for giving Floyd a "tough" fight, thought Trout would be no problem. Look how he stormed out of the ring, he didn't for a second think he'd lose that fight, in his second hometown for non ppv money. He probably knew he didn't have a chance vs Pac, then found whatever excuse. Remember him complaining about the money offered? How much you think he made vs Trout, comparatively? What makes you think he's drained at 150? It's probably his best weight right now. Have you ever heard of a champ asking to defend his belt at a CW? Cotto asked for 150 vs one eyed Marg. Then taunted Pac into offering 150, since Pac was unwilling to go above 147, as he promised after Marg. When offered, he picked any excuse he could. http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-pacquiao-fear-me-mayweather-go-154--48943 Well, in that article Cotto did say "If Pacquiao wants to fight me again, it must be above 150 pounds." I think that suggests that he isn't willing to be weight drained down to 150 either. He was also calling all the shots against Trout so he could have arranged for the fight to be at a lower weight if he wanted to.

So why did Pac want to drain Cotto down to 150? Why did Cotto rather fight Trout at the full 154 than the much more lucrative fight against Pac at 150? My guess is that Pac's management knew the fight at 154 wouldn't be a forgone conclusion (or maybe didn't want to get called out at the full 154 by other fighters afterwards). Cotto probably felt he couldn't make 150 in a healthy manner (I think he mentioned in an interview that he wouldn't let Pac weight drain him again). So at that point in his career I think it's safe to say that Cotto felt more confident at the full 154 although career-wise his best weight was probably 147 (or 140). It's simple man, he felt like a boss for giving Floyd a "tough" fight, thought Trout would be no problem. Look how he stormed out of the ring, he didn't for a second think he'd lose that fight, in his second hometown for non ppv money. He probably knew he didn't have a chance vs Pac, then found whatever excuse. Remember him complaining about the money offered? How much you think he made vs Trout, comparatively? What makes you think he's drained at 150? It's probably his best weight right now. Have you ever heard of a champ asking to defend his belt at a CW? Cotto asked for 150 vs one eyed Marg. Then taunted Pac into offering 150, since Pac was unwilling to go above 147, as he promised after Marg. When offered, he picked any excuse he could. http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-pacquiao-fear-me-mayweather-go-154--48943

He didn't though, Williams beat the tar out of him! He won every minute of every round, dropped him several times and stopped him inside 4 lop-sided rounds. He hit Williams a lot, Williams was the better man there is no denying that.

Guerrero isn't a counterpuncher, but he could make it a rough fight. I personally wasn't very impressed with his performances against Aydin and Berto. Many people here were claiming that Aydin was a much better win for him than Berto; I even made a thread a while ago which confirms this: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574429 And that win seemed to have lost some luster after Soto-Karass virtually shutout Aydin. I personally was not impressed with Williams in many fights, although I liked his wins against Margarito, Phillips and Winky. Also the first fight with Martinez was a heck of an effort no matter if you think he won or not and how he avenged that loss to Quintana was impressive. He was fairly inconsistent though, to go through a run of any 9 fights against high quality boxers consistency is the key to not losing.

No it isn't because Mitchell gave him a lot of issues~ he certainly didn't embarrass him because Williams was expected to kill Mitchell, Mitchell did better than expected. He didn't though, Williams beat the tar out of him! He won every minute of every round, dropped him several times and stopped him inside 4 lop-sided rounds.

Total dominance and just about as one-sided as you could possibly get. I see Williams getting hit an awful lot~

That is a joke, right? He absolutely destroyed, embarrassed and retired Mitchell. No it isn't because Mitchell gave him a lot of issues~ he certainly didn't embarrass him because Williams was expected to kill Mitchell, Mitchell did better than expected.

Total dominance and just about as one-sided as you could possibly get.

I suggest you watch that fight again Williams had some issues with Mitchell~ That is a joke, right? He absolutely destroyed, embarrassed and retired Mitchell.

Guerrero would stand a good chance of beating Williams as well~ if you want to include him Guerrero isn't a counterpuncher, but he could make it a rough fight. I personally wasn't very impressed with his performances against Aydin and Berto. Many people here were claiming that Aydin was a much better win for him than Berto; I even made a thread a while ago which confirms this: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574429 And that win seemed to have lost some luster after Soto-Karass virtually shutout Aydin.

Guerrero would stand a good chance of beating Williams as well~ if you want to include him As much as I like Guerrero, no. Williams destroys him.