The Cult of Rigo v. RIGOWAR

The #1 Argument i've read here and elsewhere in defense of Donaire , is that Rigo has not 'proven' himself and his professional resume is lacking..and his amateur skill should not be taken into account, in addition to Rigo being "chinny".... To act as if amateur status should not be considered when rating a fighter is pure ignorance to begin with. In regards to chinny...basing this off a single counter left hook where his legs were a little shaken, and then to turn around and KD a guy who's never hit the canvas, and dominate every single round thereafter ..is the stupidest crap ive ever heard in my life. Now, Rigondeaux is the FIRST Cuban to win Two gold medals AND turn pro...There is only one other, László Papp, who won THREE gold medals in the Olympics, and was able to Turn pro, and the only thing stopping him was a Communist regime. He was undefeated as a Professional, and i believe would have been named along with the GREATS if he was able to fight without restriction. I believe Amateur status doesnt necessarily mean you will succeed as a professional, but to completely disregard the extremely talented amateur fighters skill, and act as if a resume like Donaires outweights Rigo's proven skill as a boxer in the amateurs is pure ignorance. With this in mind, I can't see how anyone can argue that Donaire is a better boxer than Rigo. I listed some of the BIGGEST names in Boxing, all of whom had excellent Amateur records and skill. Though this is not ultimate proof, and there are several fighters who won Gold (though not even on the same level of Rigos skill), who failed as a Pro , But there are only a handful of amazing fighters who havent been solid in the amateurs. I believe this list is just additional evidence that Amateur skill should not be tossed aside. Frankie Genaro - 1920 - Olympic Flyweight Gold - Turned pro - Won American Flyweight Titleand beat notible victories over Pancho Villa, Charley Rosenberg - Hall of Famer - 96 Victories (19 KO) - 26 Losses - 8 draws - 4 no Decisions Fidel LaBarbara - 1924 - Olympic Flyweight Gold - Turned pro - Won American Flyweight title defeating Frankie Genarao - Notible victor of Kid Chocolate - 72 Victories (15 KO) - 15 Losses - 7 Draws Terry Spinks - 1956 - Olympic Flyweight Gold - Turned Pro - Won British Featherweight Title - Record 45 Victories (13 KO) - 3 Losses - 1 Draw Leo Randolph - 1976 - Olympic Flyweight Gold - Turned Pro - Won WBA Super Bantamweight Title defeating Ricardo Cardona - Lost next fight and retired Yuriorkis Gamboa - 2004 Olympic Flyweight Gold - Tunred Pro --Friggin Gamboa... Kennedy McKinney - 1988 Bantamweight Gold - Turned Pro - Won IBF Super Bantamweight Championship - 36 Victories (19KO) 6 Losses 1 Draw Joel Casamayor - 1996 Bantamweight Gold - Turned Pro - Ya'll know Casamayor Guillermo Rigondeaux - 2000 AND 2004 Bantamweight Gold - Turned Pro - To disregard his amateur skill is a travesty. Ronnie Harris - 1968 Lightweight Gold - Turned Pro - Undefeated for 7 years, 35 Victories (14 KO) Lost 2 Pernell Whitaker - 1984 Lightweight Gold - Turned Pro - Ya'll know Sweet Pea Oscar De La Hoya - 1992 Lightweight Gold - Turned Pro - Ya'll know ODLH Sugar Ray Seales - 1972 Light Welterweight Gold - Turned Pro - Though he didnt fair well as a pro, he was a top Contender at the time..drawing with Hagler Sugar Ray Leonard - 1976 Light Welterweight Gold - Turned Pro - Ya'll know Sugar Ray Leonard Floyd Patterson - 1952 Middlweight Gold - Turned Pro - Ya'll know Floyd Patterson Michael Spinks - 1976 Middleweight Gold - Turned Pro - Ya'll know Michael Spinks Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) - 1960 Light Heavyweight Gold - ....... Leon Spinks - 1976 Light Heavyweight Gold - Turned Pro - Ya'll know Leon Spinks Andre Ward - 2004 Light Heavyweight Gold - Turned Pro - Ya'll know SOG Joe Frazier - 1964 Heavyweight Gold - Turned Pro - FRAIZER George Foreman - 1968 Heavyweight Gold - Turned Pro - The Heywood Giant Ray Mercer - 1988 Heavyweight Gold - Turned Pro - Merciless With that in mind, Donaire's ONLY chance is to spend 12 rounds trying to land that left hook. But i feel as if Rigo can hurt Donaire (which he is capable of), work that body, by the time that Left hook does find a home, Donaire will be to worn down for it to have any serious effect. The odds on this fight are ridiculous, and reminds me of Peterson/Khan. . Only Donaire nut huggers, and casual fight fans think those odds are accurate representations of the fighters. CULT OF RIGO

Comments (20)

Rigo took that left hook away alright. Beautiful. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

13y ago

_JSFD26_

Quote: Originally Posted by Nekronicle Roach knows whats up. Unfortunately Roach will not take that left hook from Donaire!! It takes only one of those Bomb!! KO of the Year!! Thanks for Rigo's chin! His chin makes it spectacular! What was that Nostradamus? Not only did Rigo take one but he took several and guess who had the hand raised at the end? Where's Light_Speed? Just about every Donaire fan has manned up but this dude disappeared. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

13y ago

gmc_rfc_06

Just wanted to bump this thread.... On the money... http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/joker.gif

13y ago

Nekronicle

Just wanted to bump this thread....

13y ago

chav

Audley Harrison was also a gold medalist. I think most people would have to agree that fundamentally Rigo is on another level to Donaire. We can all probably agree that so far Rigos chin is not as well tested in the pro ranks and like Amir Khan, there are some glaring concerns whe it gets touched, yes he might get through like Khan did, but only a fool would deny it still has big question marks hanging over it. The fight is made. We should all shut up about our theories (me included), this is the time to put and shut up. Get to the betting section or the bookies and let your points and money do the talking as these guys have signed to let their fists do the talking, all of us flapping our gums are just wasting time

13y ago

konfirm

The only reason Donaire gets hate is because he runs through everybody but doesn't have a well toned body (he doesn't do PEDs). Rigo has nice abs and is pretty cut but i wonder if people would like him if he had the body of Donaire. Everybody that's on the Rigo train is a (closet) homo.

13y ago

Light_Speed

:rofl: dude, this is a problem with boxing in general. If a fighter isnt 100% superhero style..they're 'chinny'..or if they have a loss they're terrible fighters... get real dude. I'm not saying Rigo's terrible but his chin does appear to be weak. Rigo is the better boxer, he has more experience and skiill to take away that left hook than Donaire has the ability to land it. Where Rigo got tagged with a left hook, it was agaisnt fighters who arent known specifically to use that...Rigo is going into this fight, knowing EXACTLY what to expect. He has more amateur experience, Donaire has more professional experience. Last I checked they're going to fight in a professional boxing match. Oh and it's one thing to know what to expect, it's another to be able to do something about it. Not that I really respect amateur records in boxing , but his is really overrated. He was a pro at being an amateur. 450+ fights in the amateur rankings , you have become a master at it. And is a completely different game. If you are hurt , they stop the fight and count and then they let you continue. And its a system designed to score points on clean shots , and we have all know that system is flawed. Not 100% accurate. Not even 80% accurate. Its pretty sh1tty. It 100% benefits the pure boxer "slick" style , and we all know style make fights. You can't sacrifice anything. Its 3 rounds , and is just a completely different game. Anyone who says Rigondeaux was not a pro at being an amateur is completely full of it. And I wonder how many real amateur fighters had even half of his experience when they faced him. Its not even fair to begin with. Mayweather could fight light heavyweights in the amateur rankings and win a few gold medals. Agreed, up until the 80s amateur boxing was like pro boxing with big gloves and tank tops. Nowadays with the shorter rounds and the computerized scoring system it's almost a different sport.

13y ago

Pacdbest

Roach knows whats up. Unfortunately Roach will not take that left hook from Donaire!! It takes only one of those Bomb!! KO of the Year!! Thanks for Rigo's chin! His chin makes it spectacular!

13y ago

CubanGuyNYC

Not that I really respect amateur records in boxing , but his is really overrated. He was a pro at being an amateur. 450+ fights in the amateur rankings , you have become a master at it. And is a completely different game. If you are hurt , they stop the fight and count and then they let you continue. And its a system designed to score points on clean shots , and we have all know that system is flawed. Not 100% accurate. Not even 80% accurate. Its pretty sh1tty. It 100% benefits the pure boxer "slick" style , and we all know style make fights. You can't sacrifice anything. Its 3 rounds , and is just a completely different game. Anyone who says Rigondeaux was not a pro at being an amateur is completely full of it. And I wonder how many real amateur fighters had even half of his experience when they faced him. Its not even fair to begin with. Mayweather could fight light heavyweights in the amateur rankings and win a few gold medals. There's a lot of truth to what you're saying. Still, the proof is in the putting. Rigo has done pretty damn well with only eleven pro fights, and he's pretty well respected amongst the experts. If Guillermo beats Donaire, perhaps even if he just gives a very good account of himself, he'll certify the legitimacy of all those amateur wins and two gold medals.

13y ago

MODAPHUKA

13y ago

AnKhang

Rigo is the better boxer, he has more experience and skiill to take away that left hook than Donaire has the ability to land it. Where Rigo got tagged with a left hook, it was agaisnt fighters who arent known specifically to use that...Rigo is going into this fight, knowing EXACTLY what to expect. That remains to be seen. It's premature at this point to conclude that Rigo will not be tagged. Yes Rigo maybe the more skilled boxer but that doesn't take away the FACT that Donaire is also a skilled boxer in his own right. He has more tricks up his sleeve than just the left hook, just ask Nishioka. Talking of left hooks, if you know boxing you'll actually see how he sets them up methodically and not just throw them and pray Hail Mary. Donaire is one of the more smarter boxer in the ring. He reads, adjust and sets his opponents up. With that said I'm just excited the fight got made. They are arguably the best in their division. It doesn't get any closer than this.

13y ago

puga

Roach knows whats up. thats what roach thinks , thats not what rigo proved..what matters is what you prove...

13y ago

Nekronicle

"He's the best counterpuncher I've ever seen," Roach said of Rigondeaux, speaking by phone from his gym in Los Angeles. "When I did the pads with him, I simply could not get through his defense. I tried. I couldn't, though. "On his first day in the gym, he wanted to spar with Manny Pacquiao," Roach laughed. "I didn't allow it. I don't want Manny getting that kind of work in sparring. Manny is a bit big for him, but he's an offensive guy and with countering like that, he was more work than I needed. "He's one of the greatest talents I've ever seen," Roach said of Rigo. Then the trainer pauses, considering his words. "Probably the greatest talent." Roach knows whats up.

13y ago

Pacdbest

Wonder what you're opinion will be this year when Headgear is gone, and scoring is different..... Dude.... Cuba's entire government is centeralized around opression and keeping there citizens there..and can be threatened wiht their life or imprisonment. This is a blessing and a curse, because it does produce EXCELLENT athletes in both baseball and boxing, by dedicating government resources to there extensive training. However, the fact that the reason they invest so much into there atheletes is to promote the socialist ideals of Cuba itself. They're used as representations of the country. Other countries, dont explictily forbid fighters from turning pro at all...they aren threatened by the government. there is a DISTINCT difference between Cuba and other countries. Most cuban fighters leave there entire lives behind, to try there had at the Pros. I like it olds school & bring back Knockouts in the Amateur! Philippines don't have a Great amateur program. Our Fighters turned Pro early & have even have to faked their birth certificate to turn Pro Like Pacquiao. That's why Pinoy fighters are real warriors!! They fight to survive!! No Ducking like that American fighter!

13y ago

puga

Wonder what you're opinion will be this year when Headgear is gone, and scoring is different..... Dude.... Cuba's entire government is centeralized around opression and keeping there citizens there..and can be threatened wiht their life or imprisonment. This is a blessing and a curse, because it does produce EXCELLENT athletes in both baseball and boxing, by dedicating government resources to there extensive training. However, the fact that the reason they invest so much into there atheletes is to promote the socialist ideals of Cuba itself. They're used as representations of the country. Other countries, dont explictily forbid fighters from turning pro at all...they aren threatened by the government. there is a DISTINCT difference between Cuba and other countries. Most cuban fighters leave there entire lives behind, to try there had at tis prolly the only second onhe Pros. other countries expet the US dont have a fighter that has the luxury to fight on espn with a 0-0 record in the pro as rigo has .... sh1t , shou shiming is prolly the only second one...

13y ago

Nekronicle

Sorry I don't really waste time to read it all!! I gave u that, Cuba has a great Amateur Boxing!! But Pros?? It's not really ur territory! Wonder what you're opinion will be this year when Headgear is gone, and scoring is different..... ofcourse you can ...to say that the reason why cuban boxing is not as successful becuase of oppression is all BS to me ... hell , i think there are more cuban fighters in the US than let's say argnetinians...or far away countries like that.. Dude.... Cuba's entire government is centeralized around opression and keeping there citizens there..and can be threatened wiht their life or imprisonment. This is a blessing and a curse, because it does produce EXCELLENT athletes in both baseball and boxing, by dedicating government resources to there extensive training. However, the fact that the reason they invest so much into there atheletes is to promote the socialist ideals of Cuba itself. They're used as representations of the country. Other countries, dont explictily forbid fighters from turning pro at all...they aren threatened by the government. there is a DISTINCT difference between Cuba and other countries. Most cuban fighters leave there entire lives behind, to try there had at the Pros.

13y ago

puga

what? no you cant say that about 3rd world countries. ofcourse you can ...to say that the reason why cuban boxing is not as successful becuase of oppression is all BS to me ... hell , i think there are more cuban fighters in the US than let's say argnetinians...or far away countries like that..

13y ago

Pacdbest

i literally explicitly stated that , with examples..... but the point of my list was showing that virtually every superstar had a decorated amateur career. Sorry I don't really waste time to read it all!! I gave u that, Cuba has a great Amateur Boxing!! But Pros?? It's not really ur territory!

13y ago

CubanGuyNYC

dude, this is a problem with boxing in general. If a fighter isnt 100% superhero style..they're 'chinny'..or if they have a loss they're terrible fighters... get real dude. I agree with this. The moment someone doesn't appear to be prime Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Tyson, you name it, he's a "bum." lol In Rigo's case, he's "chinny" because he literally touched the canvass after a right jab, and he got rocked by a couple of good hooks.

13y ago

Nekronicle

Agreed! Probably the Greatest Amateur Boxer of all time!!! Unfortunately he's in the Pro ranks now where you need to keep standing for 12 rds Without that chin Protector!! Remember not all Gold Medalist become a successful PROs! i literally explicitly stated that , with examples..... but the point of my list was showing that virtually every superstar had a decorated amateur career.

13y ago