Defend Calzaghe's record

We've done this before but it appears some new fans have forgotten or dont know. Okay, please anyone use facts to defend this record: This is between his fight with Chris Eubank(1997) and nearly 10 years later Jeff Lacy (2006) who by all accounts is a bum but at the time was an undefeated contender that was someone that Joe should have fought. I'm going to comment on some of these but in reality all of these could easily have funny comments next to them: 2006-03-04 168 Jeff Lacy (Bum/Never was) 2005-09-10 Evans Ashira (who?) 2005-05-07 Mario Veit (notable because it took place in Germany) 2004-10-22 Kabary Salem (notable because it took place in Scotland which technically is another country lol. Also Calzaghe went down in round 4 and was headbutting intentionally and penalized for it. 2004-02-21 Mger Mkrtchyan (Great name. Who the ****? Also notable for being held in an ice rink in Wales). 2003-06-28 Byron Mitchell (Calzaghe down in the 2nd) 2002-12-14 Tocker Pudwill (i'll let the name do the joke here) 2002-08-17 Miguel Angel Jimenez 2002-04-20 Charles Brewer 2001-10-13 Will McIntyre (Notable for Denmark) 2001-04-28 Mario Veit 2000-12-16 Richie Woodhall 2000-08-12 Omar Sheika 2000-01-29 David Starie 1999-06-05 Rick Thornberry 1999-02-13 Robin Reid (Many people think he LOST this fight. Regardless it was a close fight) 1998-04-25 Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra (Ice Rink hahahaha) 1998-01-24 Branko Sobot 1997-10-11 Chris Eubank (Weight drained, way past his prime) Really? That makes him an ATG? This record? But wait he was afraid of flying. Or was he?: Calzaghe only afraid of flying when it came to fighting" I guess I'll wait for the usual folks to try to defend this.

Comments (20)

Abstraction

Good? Yes Overrated? Yes ATG in Boxing? No

13y ago

Lead_Cenobite

:rofl::rofl::rofl: hahaha, racism. Only thing funny is that ***** ass signature you have. How slope jawed stupid do you have to be to believe that that tool is an ATG? And who is "pisspac"? Sorry losers stay on topic, this is about Joe Calzaghes joke of a resume which his strongest nut riders cant do anything to defend other than to give out red karma, send creepy personal messages and whine with bad racist jokes. Even his reasonable smart fans cant really defend the record or call him an ATG they'll just say he's very "good " or "above average" or "great".. How sad is that? Why do people have such an emotional attachment defending this guy?

13y ago

DreamFighter

JOe's personality is kinda reflected in his resume, he was always **** scared of losing, he was petrified of getting beaten by good fighters. When the Lacy , Johnson and Kessler came along he was to varying degrees back pedddling trying to back out of the fights with fake injuries and stories. He didnt want to lose his unbeaten record. Shame because he was never a bad fighter, if he had just pulled up his socks and been brave like Froch then he'd be well respected universally. His ****scaredness about his record held his career back, even though he didnt intend it that way.

13y ago

Jack_Napier

can't really defend it at all modicum of props for beating old Eubank tough win against Reid he possibly didn't deserve to his credit, as the older fighter, he owned 2 unbeaten champs to unify Calzaghe was a good fighter, but fuck his resume, it's garbage

13y ago

IronDanHamza

I dunno where this retcon of the Froch-Taylor fight comes from, I've seen it a few places. As for Slapsie, while I believe he should feature strongly in a lot of fantasy match ups (yes, I believe he'd beat Ward, for one example) his career isn't, to say the least, the greatest. The best pwn I've ever heard of Calzaghe was from Froch: "His career's got more question marks than the Riddler's cat suit." :haha: Did he really say that?

13y ago

DreamFighter

Calzaghe wasnt the underdog to Lacy because Lacy was good, it was because Calzaghe had been so pathetic up till he fought Lacy that made him the underdog to a middling opponent like Jeff. Joe had literally fought one good prime opponent in his 10 year reign up to that point, and had owned a title that was meaningless for half those years, so if you do that you are bound to be the underdog. Just imagine how pathetic your reign has to be for it to be ten years long and yet you are made an underdog to a young thumper who has faced noone himself.

13y ago

DreamFighter

If he would've called out people from a different weight class people wouldve moaned about it, as always happens and why would you leave the longest current reign in boxing to move weight divisions. I would guess because you dont want to get the **** beat out of you by real opposition. Main observation on that point is that it was Otkke who had the longest reign at the time you are supposing Calzaghe had the longest reign, and Calzaghe had only held a minor title for most of that reign, so in fact he had every reason to leave the SMW division for better opps and other titles. Calzaghe had reason to stay at SMW right at the end of his reign, becasue he could have defended titles from the major governing bodies, but we all know that he was scared ****less to defend against non-WBO title contenders and ran as soon as they came into the fray.

13y ago

HardSpar

How can you say Calzaghe had a better career then Taylor? Taylor beat a younger fresher Hopkins ended his title reign. Beat Froch for 11 and 3/4th rounds of a fight, then the Winky Wright draw and Cory Spinks wins definitely give him better wins then calzaghe. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Taylor didn't beat Froch for 11 3/4 of the fight that's a myth. He won the first half of the fight.

13y ago

The_Demon

Haha haters gonna hate :bottle:

13y ago

CraigM

in his span of almost 10 years of being a champion there were plenty of guys for him to fight...he chose to fight boxers in the lower part of the top 15 and sometimes even unranked fighters instead...also lhw was loaded with talent, as was mw...calzaghe didn't start calling mw fighters out until he saw taylor and pavlik struggle with smaller fighters which is around the time he fought peter manfredo if froch beats kessler in a rematch which I believe he will, froch will have a better resume already...speaking of froch, he humiliated calzaghe in the media and became his mandatory yet never got the fight. ward has barely fought half as many people as calzaghe had and has already built up a better resume, being more dominant as well... I completely agree with you that Froch has a better resume, but name some guys who were Super Middleweights that he could've fought that wouldve made his resume better? Even looking at the list of World champions during his reign... the only guys who even come close to standing out is Beyer, Mitchell and Ottke. Beyer was beaten by Kessler, Mitchell was beaten by Calzaghe and Ottke vs Calzaghe was never going to happen. If he would've called out people from a different weight class people wouldve moaned about it, as always happens and why would you leave the longest current reign in boxing to move weight divisions until you cant really make the weight anymore. End of day Ward and Froch will have better resumes because there is a bigger choice of people to beat. At least you make a much much better argument than the other guy

13y ago

Barry_Halls

is that me saying mcclellan is better than ward? read much? :lol1: I asked you who is greater at smw than Ward and you came at me with those names. So lets skip to the chase. Who is the most accomplished (greatest) smw of all time if it's not Andre Ward? Also please list the 10 greater smw than Calzaghe. These are two of your statements i'd like you to clarify, because i just don't get them and you seem to refuse to answer them. For reference, this is Chris Rolds list. http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-20-greatest-super-middleweights-all-time--18376 How about yours? You seem to heavily disagree, so lets see it. And please. Spare me the "this guy would have given Calzaghe hell!" bull****. Actual accomplishments please.

13y ago

Barry_Halls

ur contradicting urself in different posts, I'm not pulling anything out of context...:rofl: Not in a single post do i contradict myself. Please point towards such contradictions. 1) yes So if Calzaghe is not one of the 10 greatest smw, who are those 10 smw that's more accomplished? 2) bhop, kessler no, lacy yes...definitely incorrect Yet he was an underdog to Lacy so that certainly should give him some points for taking risks? 3) :lol1: absolutely, like I said before dawson had plenty of exposure on the major networks...why would he have been fighting exclusively on the two major networks (hbo and showtime) if he nobody knew him aside from the hardcore fans? he'd be on BAD or espn if he was I guess our definition of being know to the casual fan differs greatly. HOVHANNISYAN VS. PEREZ is coming up this weekend on showtime. Are they also wellknown to the casual audience?

13y ago

PANDA

So exactly why are you posting these names in response to "who is the greatest smw of all time" after you stated Andre Ward is NOT the greatest smw of all time? Who is the greatest smw of all time? is that me saying mcclellan is better than ward? read much? :lol1:

13y ago

PANDA

Yes and if you read the rest of those posts that you've bolded you'll see i'm quite right. 1) Joe Calzaghe is one of the 10 greatest at smw. Incorrect? 2) Joe Calzaghe have some decent wins + Kessler, Lacy, B-hop. Incorrect? 3) Chad Dawson was not a known name by anyone but the hardcores in 2008. Incorrect? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish? Which of these three statements do you disagree with? Bolding certain phrases to try to change the meaning of the post won't work if you include the rest of the text. ur contradicting urself in different posts, I'm not pulling anything out of context...:rofl: 1) yes 2) bhop, kessler no, lacy yes...definitely incorrect 3) :lol1: absolutely, like I said before dawson had plenty of exposure on the major networks...why would he have been fighting exclusively on the two major networks (hbo and showtime) if he nobody knew him aside from the hardcore fans? he'd be on BAD or espn if he was

13y ago

Barry_Halls

seriously guy...did I say mcclellan is more accomplished than ward???? :wtf1: But to humor you. If Andre Ward is not the greatest and most accomplished SMW of all time, then who the hell is? This makes absolutely zero sense to me. Ottke? Kessler? Froch? The oh so great Brewer? Roy who stayed at the weight for what, 2 years? I'm puzzled. I thought u weren't posting here anymore? ever heard of eubank, watson, collins, benn or mcclellan? they would've given anyone hell in their primes, especially calzaghe...as for ward I don't think he's faced a test like those guys yet...froch comes close but I wouldn't feel comfortable saying that just yet So exactly why are you posting these names in response to "who is the greatest smw of all time" after you stated Andre Ward is NOT the greatest smw of all time? Who is the greatest smw of all time?

13y ago

Barry_Halls

ur ignorance is classic sig material...the way u keep contradicting urself is just funny Yes and if you read the rest of those posts that you've bolded you'll see i'm quite right. 1) Joe Calzaghe is one of the 10 greatest at smw. Incorrect? 2) Joe Calzaghe have some decent wins + Kessler, Lacy, B-hop. Incorrect? 3) Chad Dawson was not a known name by anyone but the hardcores in 2008. Incorrect? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish? Which of these three statements do you disagree with? Bolding certain phrases to try to change the meaning of the post won't work if you include the rest of the text.

13y ago

IronDanHamza

Yep i edited my post right before you posted. I agree that it's very possible he ducked Pavlik but as i said in my previous post i understand why he went for the easy money rather than the hard money. Almost every fighter ducks someone. The fight certainly did not make sense after b-hop beat him, and i don't fault Calzaghe for hanging them up. He had a lot to lose and obviously not enough motivation to warrant making millions of dollars more. In my opinion and the majority he already beat Hopkins in a horrible fight. He did avoid Pavlik. It's hard to argue otherwise. It's a fight everyone wanted and instead he fought a fight no one wanted. And yeah, most fighters will avoid a fight now and again but not many of them have a lack luster a resume at Calzaghe. Fighting an undefeated Pavlik would have been one of very few legimate wins in his entire career. After Hopkins beat him it wouldn't make sense but when it was supposed to happen Pavlik was undefeated.

13y ago

PANDA

Yes i'd love a history lesson where you show how Mcclellan is a more accomplished smw than Andre Ward. I'll be eagerly awaiting your response. Not trying to be a jerk, i'm sincerely interested. Kind Regards, Harry Balls seriously guy...did I say mcclellan is more accomplished than ward???? :wtf1:

13y ago

Joeyzagz

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13y ago

PANDA

If we speak about top10 at one given weight historically? Then he is without a doubt an ATG. Granted in a weak division, but still. I don't think his future inclusion into the HOF is up for debate. He's done enough to warrant it combined with his fame. Kessler and B-hop remains two superb wins. Jeff Lacy was at the point a great win. Same as Jermain Taylor was a great win for Pavlik or Judah was a great win for Tszyu. Fact of the matter is Cazlaghe beat a few decent fighters, he beat Kessler the clear #2 of the division and he beat B-hop while b-hop was still the kingpin at 175 and performing on a reasonable high level. He remained undefeated. A Yeah why didn't he fight Chad Dawson, a relative unknown, in his last fight instead of a moneyfight with Roy Jones jr? I can't imagine why!! And obviously the lineal champ at 175, Bernard Hopkins. Those two wins are better than many fighters two best wins that are not ATG. ur ignorance is classic sig material...the way u keep contradicting urself is just funny

13y ago