What could PACMAN do to be GOAT candidate?

Only a Pac Tard would have MP in the top 3 all time. There is no way in hell you can justify having Pacquiao that high based on his resume. I will say this though, Pacquaio is the number 1 ATG in the catchweight category, no doubt... I ask the same question 5 yrs ago at ESB, when Pac was just done with MAB, EM & JMM! My critics said a 130 lbs Pac need to beat Cotto, margarito, hatton, and Floyd at 147 lbs to achieved it. Pac Did that!!! Only Floyd ducks!! That's why I cant say He's the top ATGs yet! 05-31-2008, 10:35 PM #9 PacDbest Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,656 vCash: 1000 Default Re: If they retired today, where would you rank them as ATG's? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by Hatesrats I won't make a long list with everyone but I'd place these fighter's IMO... In terms of their ATG status # I don't know, but (1-5) 1. Oscar De La Hoya 2. Floyd Mayweather 3. Bernard Hopkins 4. Joe Calzaghe 5. Manny Pacquiao Just looking at those fighters era. Only Pac has fought the best and at the same time Tops them all. Oscar can't win the Big ones PBF avoids the next best opponents. Bhop was there but Didn't beat RJJ, Taylor and Calzaghe. Calzaghe's undefeated but wasted a lot of years fighting no names. Just look at SRL-Hearns era, they fought each others when the were in their 20s. Beating 43 year old Bhop won't do it. He was a Champ for years and could have fought Bhop, RJJ and Tarver when these guys are on the top of P4P ratings. Pac takes the best Flyweight at 19. Takes the best 122 titlest at 21-22 in 2 weeks notice, takes P4P top 5 MAB at 24. Takes EM at 26-28 yrs old. Now taking another wt class at age 29 and want to follow up another with Hatton at 140. Pac fought some easy opponents but not more than 2 consecutive fights. He did it only in in-between Big fights. And he is the busiest among those Great fighters. Pac tops them all in ATGreatness. Because he fought Great fights against Great rivals and then beat them all. Pac DLH PBF Bhop Calzaghe

pacquiao is already a GOAT candidate. in terms of achievements and cultural icon status, he's right up there with ali and srr. your question should be what can pacman do to solidify his claim as GOAT. one is to return the favor against marquez and the second is to deliver mayweather's first ever loss, preferably a ko this is a ridiculous response.

Pacquiao getting violently put to sleep by a *39* year old JMM is NOT a good look... It was an exciting fight! Pac takes a risk for all us fans! He'll never be boring! You'll be a fan for life!

Lol. If you rate Pacquiao in your top three, who are the other two? Floyd and JMM? Lol... You based it on his whole resume! JMM & Floyd were way down there! Floyd need to man up! JMM need to fight more ATGs.

Oh, i see, thanks for clearing that up for me. They are better boxers than Pac, and better fighters, with better careers and resume? Much appreciated for your knowledge. they are better in whatever sense you want to discuss it. manny is a 1st ballot HOF'er for sure. no one can take away what he accomplished nor can anyone change his failures. He has great wins and embarassing losses. He has moved up in weight to win titles and won catchweighted titles arranged by his promoter. while his diehard fans like you try to argue otherwise he wouldnt take a ped test to fight floyd and never insisted on ped testing until he got KTFO by JMM, a fight he only took because he wouldnt fight floyd and couldnt get Cotto in another CW. Frankly, manny is yesterday's news. But he will fight again and hopefully it will not be JMM 5. boxing fans are discussing floyds move to CBS. why dont you try doing so as well.

Except Pacquiao was outclassed 4 times by the same fighter over a decade. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android What the record says? 2-1-1 for Pac! Pac will have his revenge soon! Pac gave JMM a chance!! JMM wont even avenge his loss to Chris John!

Beat kessler - froch winner, ward, martinez...

Yea that Marquez KO did a BIIIG damage to his legacy. He should have not even fought him that 4th time, but was too hungry for money and too much of a yes man to Bob Arum. He already officially beat him, so why another one. -Only way to go back to goat status is to knock-out Marquez, (no other option. not by tko/decision has to be knock-out) -Knock-out or dominate Floyd Mayweather -Knock-out or dominate Sergio Martinez (impossible now because Sergio might ko him) or a young prime fighter like Adrian Broner/ Timothy Bradley/ Brandon Rios to show he can beat up young guys He has to do all 3 to be even considered GOAT but it is really impossible now. I just see him fighting , Marquez, Rios, Bradley as his options and he'll probably lose one of them and thats a bad way to end his career going 1-3 if he even wins one of those last 3 fights he has left

floyd and JMM are better than manny. Oh, i see, thanks for clearing that up for me. They are better boxers than Pac, and better fighters, with better careers and resume? Much appreciated for your knowledge.

Sugar Ray Robinson is consider the best, not only because of the amount of fights,wins, and the climbing up in weight but of all the loses he next lost by KO/TKO. Robinson didn't just have great skill, speed and power but the ability to fight on with heart. Unfortunately Pacquiao has now suffered 3 KO's, twice in his early career, and now a huge possibly career ending KO. Now, I'm not claiming his career is over now, but he has now subjected himself to something most fighters have trouble coming back from mentally and physically. If he were to retire today, top 20 or 30. Behind the likes of RJJ, Hopkins of this time. Hopkins because of his longevity. Jones because of his historical climb to the best pound for pound in the 90's and title wins only done once, 100 years before. Infact I would put him right behind Roy.

Ahhh, but Robinson did what he was supposed to do in the rematch, win not get planked. He rpoved beyond doubt he was superior, much like Lewis did against Rahman. Pac has had four oppotunities to do the same with Marquez, but seems to find it harder every time. To answer the question. Pacquiao needed to have beaten Marquez convincingly, take the tests and beat Mayweather, worked his way up the weights more thoroughly (even though I can totally understand not resisting a big money fight against DLH) and not used catchweights to put question marks on one of his best victories (Cotto). In reality this thread is giving us a reason to nitpick at Pacquiao's career, which is amazing. He achieved a great deal in the sport and if it was easy, they'd all do it. I'm sure he'll be highly rated when he's done, just not top of the pile.

I would need to see him totally dominate and KO floyd. And win the 154 lb title without a catch weight.

KO Wladimir? No but really. Nothing he could do. Same with every active fighter over 30 i'd imagine.

hes a great fighter and a hof but not atg.........

Who is better than who? floyd and JMM are better than manny.

as of now there's no way he can be GOAT just because jmm outclasses him, you can't say pacquiao is a better fighter than marquez therefore he will never be the GOAT before marquez Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android The current GOAT Armstrong was outclassed too in his later fights! but he's still the GOAT! Pac has a Chance to equal him, He just need to fight & win more against Great oppositions! I rate Pac now in top 3, he's not far from it! JMM, Floyd. Martinez, Broner, Rios win will seal it for Pac!

Maybe you're looking at it too complex How can you be the greatest of all time if someone is better than you? Who is better than who?

KO Floyd like he got KO'd. Then go on and beat Martinez at a CW or something. Pretty far stretch but if he does that, he'd be GOAT. I agree! But also add a revenge KO of JMM! And I have one more request! KO loudmouth & Floyd brother from another mother Broner!

as of now there's no way he can be GOAT just because jmm outclasses him, you can't say pacquiao is a better fighter than marquez therefore he will never be the GOAT before marquez Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Ha ha very naive and simple way to look at things. So if Randolph turpin didnt give SRR a rematch, there is no way SRR could have been the goat, and we could assume randolph was better than SRR, but cos Turpin did give the rematch, and SRR won we can now assume they are equal.

What he REALLY needs to do, he is incapable of doing: defeating Floyd Mayweather.. But like most posters said those list are really just opinion so all thats left for Manny is to avenge Tim and Marquez, and I hope he K.o's Marquez then retires.