They didn't have to do Manny Pacquiao like that!

GBP loves to nego through the media.. I agree. They are totally different from Bob Arum. Instead of negotiating through the media, he simply lies about negotiations that never took place, such as Pac/Mayweather and the countdown clock and the bogus $13 million offer he made to Cotto to fight Pac for the second time.

WOW...Still you made no sense what so ever. Just stop doing this to yourself. I have no interest in getting over on you...i just point out the obvious with you. As far as looking like a fool...lol you have no room in talking about that. You are a pro at it. The Poster simply stated a nice clean respectful manner in which he could have asked ...rather than accused first and demanded later. It amazes me you cant see this! You are stupid and I made myself perfectly clear but you didn't understand what I was saying because you are a fool. I was in agreement with what the poster above me said which is why I believed it is shame that it would got unnoticed on a forum as Floyd's money would be better spent paying for advice of that nature as opposed to spending it on bling and gambling it away. You come in like an uneducated child that's just about grasped the basics of reading and writing.

As a Floyd Mayweather fan, a guy who defended Floyd's right to suspect that Manny Pacquiao was cheating and demands OST. I must say, I have now come to the grasp of just how horrible the way it was carried out and the suspicion was. Mayweather and GoldenBoy went about it the entire way, they basically bashed and put doubt to all of what Pacquiao had ever accomplished. To the point to tell the truth, when you think the name "Pacquiao" you think the name steroids regardless if you wanna admit it or not. Thinking back that was a really terrible thing to do, for another athlete to cast doubt without any proof on another athlete. God forbid that Pac should suffer such a fate. After all, Pac would never do this to another fighter. Oh, wait. Didn't Pac's team ask Marquez to take drug tests before their fourth fight? And, aren't they no demanding drug tests if there is a fifth fight? People should stop posting hypocritical nonsense like this.

As a Floyd Mayweather fan, a guy who defended Floyd's right to suspect that Manny Pacquiao was cheating and demands OST. I must say, I have now come to the grasp of just how horrible the way it was carried out and the suspicion was. Mayweather and GoldenBoy went about it the entire way, they basically bashed and put doubt to all of what Pacquiao had ever accomplished. To the point to tell the truth, when you think the name "Pacquiao" you think the name steroids regardless if you wanna admit it or not. Thinking back that was a really terrible thing to do, for another athlete to cast doubt without any proof on another athlete. ya if manny would not have made a big deal about it none of that would have mattered.

Alright...its confirmed...you are a raging blazing on fire idiot. WTF does this have to do with going about asking for testing? WOW...just WOW! You're an embarrassment and your eager to get one over on me is making you look like a fool. My post was relevant to the person I was speaking too and has quite a lot to do with Floyd asking for testing. The poster I quoted displayed the tactful way of asking for extra drug testing, if Floyd presented his request in that manner it would be very difficult to spin it as a negative for him. The fact that something that would benefit his PR immensely will go unnoticed on a boxing forum when he's spending 100s of thousands on meaningless crap is a shame.

when i hear "Pacquiao", i think ATG. i'm open-minded about the PED issue, any of the top guys could be on the juice, but i'm not damning anyone 'til i see some proof. but you are correct, Mayweather went completely the wrong way about it. charm offensive was necessary. he should have gone about it via an official statement along these lines. "Manny Pacquiao has achieved some exceptional things in the sport of boxing, both in recent history and across the course of his career. Manny and I are the two greatest athletes in our era of boxing. Demand for us to meet in the ring is now building. I want Manny and the world to know with full assurance that the feats by which I have made my name were achieved in a wholesome way that adheres to the rules of our sport. I am sure that Manny feels the same way himself. As such, I'd like to propose that Manny and I both be subject to Olympic Style Drug Testing in the event of such a fight being finalized. As this fight would be the most highly publicized and anticipated fight in decades, possibly in its entire history, I feel it would be the perfect platform for boxing to show the world that it is a sport of athletic integrity. This is a great opportunity for Manny and I, as the two elite representatives of our sport today, to set an example." The above post is a shame in the sense that he can blow 100s of thousands gambling and on ridiculous hats but he can't shift a dime towards an individual that would give him the above advice.

I understand that, but geesh, was there a better way to do this?? Maybe in negotiations only? GBP loves to nego through the media..

Pacquiao brought it on himself. If he took the test and came out clean no one would say a thing but shit got blown out of proportion because of his excuses.

My 12 year nephew drew blood the other day with ease and laughed. Manny cant draw blood and make millions? Hmm My friend who was about 22 years old at the time fainted when he donated blood. On another occasion, he bleed (no gushing) from a mild injury and fainted several times. It was alarming enough (the fainting) that I brought him to the hospital ...... Everyone reacts differently. But .... you guys can't get past 2009. Manny said he would take the test.

Nobody had a problem when Margarito (without anger) approached Floyd under Arums orders to politely ask why he won't fight him. Floyd explained his side to Pussarito and they shook hands, and Floyd was called a coward by the ktfo Pac and Marg fans. Refusal to be tested doesn't mean you're guilty, but it does cast doubt and that's something you won't ever be able to make go away. Very different story. Floyd never fought Margarito so he is considered a ducker. Manny went beyond what was expected by the commissions from Day 1 ... just didn't agree with Floyd cutoff dates..... but then went out and told everyone that "I will take the test with no cutoff dates". Its only Manny haters that still bring this up like as if Manny never said that. The problem is that Floyd didn't want to fight Manny. So no reason to take the test.

My 12 year nephew drew blood the other day with ease and laughed. Manny cant draw blood and make millions? Hmm

I understand that, but geesh, was there a better way to do this?? Maybe in negotiations only? what happened with fighters like mallignaggi and cintron who made those insinuations before floyd even asked for a drug test and all floyd did was ask for a drug test i don't see whats wrong with that

The refusal and then the way they dragged it on for so long making lame excuses to then eventually agree was stupid as hell and made them look suspicious. Only a moron would think people wouldn't question them for refusing a drug test. THis is a random thought, but it occurred to me long ago that if Arum wanted to settle accounts with both Oscar and Mayweather, his two biggest and most relentless enemies, it would have been no effort for a man of his intelligence to have guided the whole thing... step by step, from beginning to end. A Harvard Summa Cum Laude is well into the genius category....... Because, as we've all seen, the end result was that Oscar had to pay Top Rank "an undisclosed settlement" and the most abject,cringeworthy apologies, which Arum graciously accepted in a most forgiving way...... and Mayweather and family also had to make a similarly "undisclosed" payoff to MannyP. I believe that the payment to Pacquiao was so large that this is the main reason for Mayweather announcing that he wanted to fight twice this year. And perhaps also the reason that he was unable to pay Jackson his share of their TMT partnership deal. Mayweather hasn't fought twice in 12 months for years....

How do people even get banned from ESB? You can pretty much say whatever you want over there and not get banned...probably 80% of my posts on ESB would get me banned here :lol1: Just as a quick observation, some people have been wondering why you don't get banned here...

And Oscar just jumped on the bandwagon because he wanted a excuse for as into why Manny made him quit. That may very well be. But, by the time Oscar fought MannyP, he had been beaten quite a few times, and pushed for the fight because he wanted the huge money it would bring. Nobody seems to have noticed that Oscar loves money far more than Arum or the other promoters. He has openly said that his big ambition is to become a billionaire. His face had greed written all over it when he said this. I believe that Oscar jumped into it because; 1) He's not very bright. 2)He was Mayweather's promoter. 3) He hates Arum who bests him every time they tangle. 4) He was still smarting over Arum having caught him "red-handed" when he tried to steal Pacquiao away from Top Rank. And.... he's not very bright...... Since then, and his breakdown, you all may have noticed we hear and see far more of Schaefer than we do of Oscar. Oscar seems to have shrunk back down to his proper proportions, into the background.

As a Floyd Mayweather fan, a guy who defended Floyd's right to suspect that Manny Pacquiao was cheating and demands OST. I must say, I have now come to the grasp of just how horrible the way it was carried out and the suspicion was. Mayweather and GoldenBoy went about it the entire way, they basically bashed and put doubt to all of what Pacquiao had ever accomplished. To the point to tell the truth, when you think the name "Pacquiao" you think the name steroids regardless if you wanna admit it or not. Thinking back that was a really terrible thing to do, for another athlete to cast doubt without any proof on another athlete. So, it was Mayweather and Golden Boy that caused Manny's needle phobia? Whatever you say, Pactard!:tragedy:

Dude, it's just like an average person going to work every day. You hit a guy with a drug test and he refuses to take it, people are going to wonder why. People had every right to question and be suspicious. Saying that, there is 100% no doubt in my mind that Pacquiao is a clean fighter and achieved it all with hard work. But if you try to add a bunch of terms and conditions when someone asks you to take a drug test, you're inviting and deserve all kinds of suspicion. Seriously? a drug test? Still blows my mind.

Applauding with agreement! This would be great if Floyd and Sr didnt go on world record with false accusations. Had they kept their suspicions to themselves and thought like business men rather than neanderthals...they might have got somewhere with Manny. Instead they got nothing. And they were gonna show Floyd as well that he dont run shlt. Manny had no problems getting other fights and still dont even after a KO loss! This fight could have been put together with even splits and proper cooperation with out slander. TEAM NEANDERTHALS did that! Everyone could have made more money than they ever have and ever will with this fight. Why it was thrown away was mixed with foolish Pride by Manny and Cowardliness by MAyweather! In the end we the fans got robbed! good post by the way ...green k manny hasn't fought since his ko loss so we don't know how easy it is for him to get fights. he couldn't get the cotto cw rematch he wanted.

Floyd lost 40-60 million by not taking the fight after all the PED BS was settled. Manny lost somewhere between 35-40 million. Bob "the Marinater" Arum and Floyd's sheer arrogance were the reasons the fight didn't happen. Arum needs to make MEGA fights when they are there like : Mares v Donaire,Gamboa v JuanMa, and Pavlik vs Sergio II. At least he is giving me Rios vs Mile High Mike II.He needs Manny vs JMM V more than ever and for his cashcow to win big !!! JMM is one tough Mexican Warrior though.

Shows you how weak minded 90% of Today's boxing fans are, they can't think for themselves so they believe what ever they are told Unless someone Proves Pacquiao is on Roids then it don't matter what anybody say, but you make yourself look bad when you still haven't joined others by taking Better Testing and I am not talking just to fight Mayweather either But at the same time people bashed the guy that told people years ago that Lance Armstrong was juicing, come to find out years later that guy was 100% Correct so you never know, I would not be shocked if the truth comes out years later (IF HE IS REALLY ON SOMETHING) fans gotta understand that PRESSURE can drive you to do ANYTHING, especially when you got an entire Country basically Depending on you to be the best and when they are expecting Knockouts every fight I hope for the sake of boxing he is clean!