Was Jirov the most exciting Eastern European fighter?

Ali's most exiting fights happens to be some of the most exiting fights of all time and that was 'old' Ali. His fights with Foreman and Frazier III had excessive clinching and less than a handful of bodyshots. I know you don't think these fights are boring so might we conclude that your thesis does not hold? How does it not hold water? I said body punching is more exciting, that's an opinion. That it takes skill is a fact. So are you saying you find today's fighters more exciting than the greats that employed body work? And here's the difference between "old" Ali with his "excessive clinching" and very few body shots, in the fights you've pointed out in comparison to todays boring heavyweights....He wasn't afraid to take chances, and THAT is exciting!! Can you imagine Wlad having the balls to rope-a-dope a stronger fighter with the utmost confidence? Or how about if Vittles didn't back straight up and out of danger against lil Chris Byrd but instead sat in the pocket trying to trade and take his head off? Is what they did/do smart? Sure. Is it exciting? Hell no!!

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Think about the more mobile 6'6 versions of Wlad with the lategreat Emmanuel...........he'd give Ali some sh1t. End of story. He could barely hit Haye and you thnk he's gonna hit Ali?

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Boy, young Ali sure was boring! :lol1:

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Vaseline who? Thread starter must be a James Phoney fanboy Saint G Groves must be 12 years old to come up with something as witty as "Vaseline" and "James Phoney". :stupid:

Ali's most exiting fights happens to be some of the most exiting fights of all time and that was 'old' Ali. His fights with Foreman and Frazier III had excessive clinching and less than a handful of bodyshots. I know you don't think these fights are boring so might we conclude that your thesis does not hold? How does it not hold water? I said body punching is more exciting, that's an opinion. That it takes skill is a fact. So are you saying you find today's fighters more exciting than the greats that employed body work?

Vaseline who? Thread starter must be a James Phoney fanboy

Body punching is an integral part of boxing excitement, it opens things up. But I think in young Ali's case it can be overlooked due to his incredible speed and combo's. That said, I still don't find him one of the most exciting fighters but he had many more great moments than today's boring monstrosities at heavyweight. Ali's most exiting fights happens to be some of the most exiting fights of all time and that was 'old' Ali. His fights with Foreman and Frazier III had excessive clinching and less than a handful of bodyshots. I know you don't think these fights are boring so might we conclude that your thesis does not hold?

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Young Ali never punched to the body. After his exile he clinched excessively. Jab standard: Zero bodypunching = Zero exitement. Body punching is an integral part of boxing excitement, it opens things up. But I think in young Ali's case it can be overlooked due to his incredible speed and combo's. That said, I still don't find him one of the most exciting fighters but he had many more great moments than today's boring monstrosities at heavyweight.

This and two of the judges having Toney winning 117-109 demonstrates that Jirov had no chance of winning it on the cards. He got his ass beat. He fought bravely but he didn't deserve it to be any closer than 4 point spread. Couple of crybabies you Euro lovers are. Sheesh.

And PED's.... This and two of the judges having Toney winning 117-109 demonstrates that Jirov had no chance of winning it on the cards.

Old Ali? Absolutely. Young Ali? Those blazing combos were something to see! Young Ali never punched to the body. After his exile he clinched excessively. Jab standard: Zero bodypunching = Zero exitement.

I guess that must mean that Ali leads your all-time bore list then? Ali never punched to the body and clinched more than probably any HW champion in history. It's seriously an odd way to rate exitement, but to each his own I guess. Old Ali? Absolutely. Young Ali? Those blazing combos were something to see!

Adamek is also Eastern European and he used to be very exicting

I would agree Jirov is the most exciting. Also - since you mentioned the fight itself - beating Jirov was proof positive that James Toney was an all time great fighter who belongs in the HOF. The fact that a guy who won his first title at 160 went into the ring against a beast of a natural Cruiser, stood right in front of him all night, and beat him down is still one of the best performances I can recall since I started watching boxing. That fight - along with the Nunn fight - were master class boxing performances by Toney who broke his stronger, faster opponents down with old fashioned skills. And PED's....

Don't let the avi fool you. Vits is ok as far as heavyweights today go. In general though they are boring because they seldom go to the body and clinch to much. I guess that must mean that Ali leads your all-time bore list then? Ali never punched to the body and clinched more than probably any HW champion in history. It's seriously an odd way to rate exitement, but to each his own I guess.