VADA>USADA Agree or Disagree?

how did the berto and peterson fights get cancelled? wasn't it because nsac recognized the findings of vada? the license for those fights was cancelled by nsac because of the vada findings...that's what i thought happened. so how come you're saying they're not interested in working with outside agencies? and i'm not defending anybody. i have no agenda here...i'm just seeing things as it is. my only point here is that promoters and fighters should not have the ability to self-regulate. if you can't grasp that then i don't what else to say. They are not working together because VADA is voluntarily passing off the test results to NSAC. It's not like it's mandated by NSAC. That's a huge difference. NSAC isn't requesting the results. So again, in essence they are uninterested, otherwise it would be mandatory. I agree that promoters and fighters shouldn't have the ability to self-regulate, but there is no alternative when NSAC and so forth are not working together with the testing agencies.

If lance armstrong couldnt buy / bribe usada than no way mayweather can. End thread.

no just pointing at you man..but the people who go against USADA are the usual suspects..in all honest i dont see a reason to hate either..they both are a step in the right direction and i see no reason to put one over the other Cant speak for anyone else.... I just found the Quillin-Wright situation a little bit funny.... Wondering if anyone else felt the same Only seen one person mention that situation though VADA also had its share of controversy with the Peterson situation Wanted to know NSBs thoughts nothing more nothing less

No drug testing agency should ever be linked to a fighter, ever. They should all be neutral.

No drug testing agency should ever be linked to a fighter, ever. They should all be neutral.

It cant be any other reason this thread was created then to discredit May??? Seriously.?.?.? no just pointing at you man..but the people who go against USADA are the usual suspects..in all honest i dont see a reason to hate either..they both are a step in the right direction and i see no reason to put one over the other

GBP cancelled the Peterson-Khan fight because NSAC couldn't hold hearing on Peterson's drug results until the week of the fight. There was no guarantee NSAC would grant Peterson a license, GBP felt it was too close to the fight date to take that risk. They deep sixed their own promotion. NSAC wasn't kept in the loop by VADA. They didn't know of any of the results until early in the week before the fight was to happen. how did the berto and peterson fights get cancelled? wasn't it because nsac recognized the findings of vada? the license for those fights was cancelled by nsac because of the vada findings...that's what i thought happened. so how come you're saying they're not interested in working with outside agencies? and i'm not defending anybody. i have no agenda here...i'm just seeing things as it is. my only point here is that promoters and fighters should not have the ability to self-regulate. if you can't grasp that then i don't what else to say.

yes...and we all know why.......cause it is associated with Mayweather,no other reason what so ever Like i said people have issues with USADA cause they are associated with Floyd nothing more nothing less It cant be any other reason this thread was created then to discredit May??? Seriously.?.?.?

And yet, the Commission is also uninterested in working with VADA as well. If the Commission wanted to work with VADA or USADA, they would do so. They are fully aware about them. They just are not interested! Why are you defending their obvious lack of interest in random drug testing? how did the berto and peterson fights get cancelled? wasn't it because nsac recognized the findings of vada? the license for those fights was cancelled by nsac because of the vada findings...that's what i thought happened. so how come you're saying they're not interested in working with outside agencies? and i'm not defending anybody. i have no agenda here...i'm just seeing things as it is. my only point here is that promoters and fighters should not have the ability to self-regulate. if you can't grasp that then i don't what else to say.

no they were not invited. travis tygart just came out in the media and started criticizing the commission's drug testing which he has point to but he was only doing it because he was already talking to gbp. and you're right, they invited tygart for a meeting. why do you think would they invite him if the don't want to get involve? they do want to get involve but they didn't like the way tygart was conducting himself like an arrogant businessman. tygart was all about business and charges so much. that's why dr margaret goodman, who was present during the meeting, formed vada as a cheaper alternative. And yet, the Commission is also uninterested in working with VADA as well. If the Commission wanted to work with VADA or USADA, they would do so. They are fully aware about them. They just are not interested! Why are you defending their obvious lack of interest in random drug testing?

Are you kiddin me? The Commission was invited during the initial Pacquaio vs. Mayweather saga. The Commission also invited Travis Tygart, head of USADA, to speak in front of them and answer questions. The Commission decided though that USADA testing was unnecessary! :) Look it up, if you really think this is B.S. VADA also would LOVE to work in conjunction with the Commission, but that is not possible because of the Commission itself. Your alternative is NOT an alternative since the Commission is uninterested in doing all of that. Once they are uninterested in doing all of that, the only alternative left is for the fighters and/or promoters to handle it themselves. no they were not invited. travis tygart just came out in the media and started criticizing the commission's drug testing which he has point to but he was only doing it because he was already talking to gbp. and you're right, they invited tygart for a meeting. why do you think would they invite him if the don't want to get involve? they do want to get involve but they didn't like the way tygart was conducting himself like an arrogant businessman. tygart was all about business and charges so much. that's why dr margaret goodman, who was present during the meeting, formed vada as a cheaper alternative.

I like Vada. They seem neutral and fair. Usada sometimes seem to have an agenda. If a fighter was fighting Mayweather I'd insist on Vada. Mayweather seems too cozy with usada. Like i said people have issues with USADA cause they are associated with Floyd nothing more nothing less

In regards to the Morales-Garcia fight, NYSAC was informed, they made the call to sanction the fight, GBP could also have deep sixed it but didn't. How is any of that USADA's fault? They ran into a problematic situation for positive clen but they had NO say in whether the fight went on or not. They provided testing services as contracted. The Peterson-Khan fight wasn't any better, VADA knew about the first positive A sample in mid April but didn't inform NSAC until May after the B sample tested positive, weeks after Peterson knew about the result. Ultimately GBP decided to scuttle the fight because NSAC wasn't able to provide a hearing on the issue until the week of the fight, and there was no guarantee NSAC would license Peterson. Neither testing agency has any say in whether the fight proceeds or not. great post and great point..neither can cancel a fight..both are PAID FOR THEIR SERVICES..but ultimately it is up to the commission or promoters to cancel the fight

that's bull****s...the commission was not involved because they were not invited to get involved. here's what should have happened as far as i'm concerned... any fighter who wants extra testing should still have to go through the commission. if the commission is not equipped to conduct such testing, then an outside agency will be hired to conduct the test by the commission and no one else. any extra amount for the testing will then be collected by the commission from the fighters or promoters. it's the same thing with refs and judges. the commission has the sole responsibility to appoint those officials. fighters are free to refused an official which they think will not render fair judgement but never, never should a fighter or promoter appoint/hire any official or testing agency for that matter. self regulation has no place in any sport...that's ridiculous. and anyone who supports that idea are dumb. Are you kiddin me? The Commission was invited during the initial Pacquaio vs. Mayweather saga. The Commission also invited Travis Tygart, head of USADA, to speak in front of them and answer questions. The Commission decided though that USADA testing was unnecessary! :) Look it up, if you really think this is B.S. VADA also would LOVE to work in conjunction with the Commission, but that is not possible because of the Commission itself. Your alternative is NOT an alternative since the Commission is uninterested in doing all of that. Once they are uninterested in doing all of that, the only alternative left is for the fighters and/or promoters to handle it themselves.

It is not an excuse, it is a fact that's presently happening. Random drug testing is being handled by both promoters and fighters all because boxing commissions refuse to get involved. Do I think that is a good thing? No! But there is nothing that can be done about this until boxing commissions decided to work in conjunction with testing agencies (USADA, VADA). When a Commission doesn't want to get involved, what else do you want done? What's the alternative? No voluntary random testing at all? That is the only alternative left. that's bull****s...the commission was not involved because they were not invited to get involved. here's what should have happened as far as i'm concerned... any fighter who wants extra testing should still have to go through the commission. if the commission is not equipped to conduct such testing, then an outside agency will be hired to conduct the test by the commission and no one else. any extra amount for the testing will then be collected by the commission from the fighters or promoters. it's the same thing with refs and judges. the commission has the sole responsibility to appoint those officials. fighters are free to refused an official which they think will not render fair judgement but never, never should a fighter or promoter appoint/hire any official or testing agency for that matter. self regulation has no place in any sport...that's ridiculous. and anyone who supports that idea is dumb.

I like Vada. They seem neutral and fair. Usada sometimes seem to have an agenda. If a fighter was fighting Mayweather I'd insist on Vada. Mayweather seems too cozy with usada.

In regards to the Morales-Garcia fight, NYSAC was informed, they made the call to sanction the fight, GBP could also have deep sixed it but didn't. How is any of that USADA's fault? They ran into a problematic situation for positive clen but they had NO say in whether the fight went on or not. They provided testing services as contracted. The Peterson-Khan fight wasn't any better, VADA knew about the first positive A sample in mid April but didn't inform NSAC until May after the B sample tested positive, weeks after Peterson knew about the result. Ultimately GBP decided to scuttle the fight because NSAC wasn't able to provide a hearing on the issue until the week of the fight, and there was no guarantee NSAC would license Peterson. Neither testing agency has any say in whether the fight proceeds or not. are you stupid? so what's the use of conducting this kind of testing if it won't deter dirty fighters from fighting after getting caught? usada should have see to it that the fight get cancelled because their reputation is at stake. the difference between vada and usada is that vada informed the commission about their findings and so the promoter was left with no choice but to cancel the fight. usada on the other hand just let gbp handle the whole situation. they didn't lift a finger when gbp decided to continue with the fight even after they caught morales. you're dumb if you don't put a question on that.

LOL! Is this what they have come to?! Trying to discredit the USADA?! :grouphug: yes...and we all know why.......cause it is associated with Mayweather,no other reason what so ever

LOL! Is this what they have come to?! Trying to discredit the USADA?! :grouphug:

I dont care which company is used..who cares??long as it's random blood and urine then we are headed in the right direction