Cotto Looking for New Trainer?

Quote: Originally Posted by Cuauhtémoc1520 Quote: Originally Posted by El C@cique@PR A mexicant, saying Cotto was never elite? Surprise surprise! lmao Quote: Originally Posted by 1PunchKOPOW! I'm not gonna read too much into the bold but I agree with the rest of your post. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Elite is Mayweather, Pacquaio, Marquez, Martinez.....you're going to tell me Cotto is on their level? Just because I say Cotto isn't elite, doesn't mean he hasn't been a great champ. I have all the respect in the world for Cotto but he's not lb 4 lb, never has been. He's that one level below. I'm not saying I agree or disagree. I just said i wasn't gonna read too much into it. Are you calling Trout elite? You don't have to be elite to beat Trout. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android how do you know you dont have to be elite to beat trout? has a fighter that is not elite beaten trout? no. hes undefeated. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Quote: Originally Posted by El C@cique@PR A mexicant, saying Cotto was never elite? Surprise surprise! lmao Quote: Originally Posted by 1PunchKOPOW! I'm not gonna read too much into the bold but I agree with the rest of your post. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Elite is Mayweather, Pacquaio, Marquez, Martinez.....you're going to tell me Cotto is on their level? Just because I say Cotto isn't elite, doesn't mean he hasn't been a great champ. I have all the respect in the world for Cotto but he's not lb 4 lb, never has been. He's that one level below. you dont understand the definition of elite Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

I don't think Cotto is in the same class as Marquez.

Quote: Originally Posted by El C@cique@PR A mexicant, saying Cotto was never elite? Surprise surprise! lmao Quote: Originally Posted by 1PunchKOPOW! I'm not gonna read too much into the bold but I agree with the rest of your post. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Elite is Mayweather, Pacquaio, Marquez, Martinez.....you're going to tell me Cotto is on their level? Just because I say Cotto isn't elite, doesn't mean he hasn't been a great champ. I have all the respect in the world for Cotto but he's not lb 4 lb, never has been. He's that one level below. when Cotto fought margarito in 2008 he was top 5 in all credible P4P list (including Ring Magazine)... and has remained in the top ten of many list up until his two most recent defeats. to say Cotto never was elite is idiodic... from 2007-2009, based on level of opposition and carrying a perfect record into his 33 professional fight (being matched toughly his entire career) its hard to argue that he wasnt the best welterweight in th world. boxing fans have short term memory... to say Martinez is elite and not Cotto is stupidity... Martinez has yet to accomplish 1/4 of what Cotto has in his career. to say Marquez is elite and not Cotto is stupidity Marquez is 10-4-1 (4kos) in major title fights Cotto is 17-4 (14 KOs) Pacquiao is 16-2-2 (11 KOs) Mayweather is 19-0 (9 KOs) they all seem pretty elite to me. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Quote: Originally Posted by El C@cique@PR A mexicant, saying Cotto was never elite? Surprise surprise! lmao Quote: Originally Posted by 1PunchKOPOW! I'm not gonna read too much into the bold but I agree with the rest of your post. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Elite is Mayweather, Pacquaio, Marquez, Martinez.....you're going to tell me Cotto is on their level? Just because I say Cotto isn't elite, doesn't mean he hasn't been a great champ. I have all the respect in the world for Cotto but he's not lb 4 lb, never has been. He's that one level below. when Cotto fought margarito in 2008 he was top 5 in all credible P4P list (including Ring Magazine)... and has remained in the top ten of many list up until his two most recent defeats. to say Cotto never was elite is idiodic... from 2007-2009, based on level of opposition and carrying a perfect record into his 33 professional fight (being matched toughly his entire career) its hard to argue that he wasnt the best welterweight in th world. boxing fans have short term memory... to say Martinez is elite and not Cotto is stupidity... Martinez has yet to accomplish 1/4 of what Cotto has in his career. to say Marquez is elite and not Cotto is stupidity Marquez is 10-4-1 (4kos) in major title fights Cotto is 17-4 (14 KOs) Pacquiao is 16-2-2 (11 KOs) Mayweather is 19-0 (9 KOs) they all seem pretty elite to me. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Martinez's resume is already >>>>> then Cottos LMFAO @ you saying Cotto's career is comparable to Marquez's GTFO retard dont let the mexico glasses fool you bro. Marquez is great right now cuz he kayod pac, but his resume throughout his career hasn't been all that. I'll take a prime Barrera against Marquez 100 out of 100 times.

Some of you guys are delusional. If you don't think that Cotto gets a beating at the hands of the red head, then your dreaming. It's not about skill, it's about size , strength and youth. Canelo brutalizes Cotto right now. He's going to stand in front of Cotto and bang with him and that won't be good. Cotto doesn't move like he used to or throw punches like he used to. I don't see that fight going past 8 rounds. i agree. canelo is so underrated here its ridiculous.

Some of you guys are delusional. If you don't think that Cotto gets a beating at the hands of the red head, then your dreaming. It's not about skill, it's about size , strength and youth. Canelo brutalizes Cotto right now. He's going to stand in front of Cotto and bang with him and that won't be good. Cotto doesn't move like he used to or throw punches like he used to. I don't see that fight going past 8 rounds.

He should be looking for a new profession. :cool2:

Bradley has beaten every opponent he ever faced with clarity and did a much better job of hanging with Pacquiao than Miguel. the names that stand out on Cotto's record in contrast with Bradley's are the names that gave him grave trouble. Bradley's certainly knocking on the door of the elite and, as a still-prime fighter who hasn't taken a ton of punishment, can yet prove himself to belong in that category. Cotto had his chance to prove he belonged there and didn't make it. certainly, excepting punching power, Bradley's a more complete fighter than Cotto ever was. The Pac that Cotto fought was at his MAX Peak. The "monster" Pac which was light years better than the Pac that Bradley fought and struggled with.

Fuck outta here with this shit!! Martinez yes Cotto no? hahahahah Marquez and Cotto's career are comparable, only thing Marquez hve to hang on, is his last fight!! Please stop it bro!! Martinez's resume is already >>>>> then Cottos LMFAO @ you saying Cotto's career is comparable to Marquez's GTFO retard

Bradley has beaten every opponent he ever faced with clarity and did a much better job of hanging with Pacquiao than Miguel. the names that stand out on Cotto's record in contrast with Bradley's are the names that gave him grave trouble. that's nice but it's not what I asked...again which elite fighters has bradley beaten? I'm going to need an argument here to justify ur claim of bradley "knocking on the door of the elite" to take this seriously because I don't see it a faded margarito did better against pac than cotto did so I don't rate bradley losing 10 rounds and getting a gift decision...sorry Bradley's certainly knocking on the door of the elite and, as a still-prime fighter who hasn't taken a ton of punishment, can yet prove himself to belong in that category. Cotto had his chance to prove he belonged there and didn't make it. wait so u're saying bradley still has a chance of proving himself in this category? which is basically admitting he isn't there yet nor is there any indication he will be. he would've been a step closer had he fought and beaten khan at the time now he's stuck fighting the mighty providnikovs of a division he's left what top tier fighters has bradley fought anyway? holt, alexander and witter? are u kidding me? :nonono:

Cotto's problem is he was never elite, is now getting older and has been in too many wars. Diaz is an excellent trainer, I have worked with him and he's a scientist when it comes to boxing. Cotto was praising his methods for so long and now people want another trainer? "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" that's the bottom line. Cotto is a veteran of the sport, a really good boxer and your not going to come in a change what he does at this stage of his career. You can try and tweak different things but it's no guarantee that he will change them when the bullets start flying. Cotto's time is done, I predicted a Trout win and I think the only thing Trout did for Cotto was save him a brutal beating at the hands of Canelo. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Cotto should not go down the DLH route of constantly switching trainers. As far as the Floyd/Cotto fight and Floyd/Marquez fights, i'm in the boat that says Floyd actually carried both of them. Especially, Marquez , who I had the feeling Floyd could have taken him out whenever he wanted.

Maybe Pedro Diaz was lacking in some area. The pros are not the amateurs.

Diaz seems a great fit for Cotto from what i can tell.... The truth is Cotto has had a hard career thats starting to catch up on him and his facial tissue. Plus he has outgrown his best divisions and is now the lil guy in his weight class thus he's less effective. Diaz is a top Trainer and Miguel should stick with him. If he bails my initial instinct is that its a case of an older fighter not wanting to put the work in that a no nonsense task master like the Cuban demands of him...

when it came time to cement his rise toward that group, he came up short. he laboured against, and showed himself on a level closer to, guys who were not perceived to be elite. his high point was a close but deserved decision over faded Mosley, and there was nothing emphatic about that. there just isn't enough there to suggest he was ever an elite fighter, though he was a B+ fighter, better than most titlists. and Cotto isn't beating Bradley, btw. Bradley is too rounded. that's a guy who is at least borderline elite. which elite fighter has bradley beaten? what makes him closer to being "elite" than cotto cotto has much better opposition compared to bradley...unless u honestly believe bradley beat pacquiao

These rumors may be true. Here is a link to an article by the PR news paper "Primera Hora". Take the "google translate" as a quick fill-gap translation. Will there be another coach in the corner when the boxer Miguel Cotto cagüeño make his return to the roped between October and November this year? That could be a reality, after the boxer himself indicated in a press conference yesterday that still has not decided whether to continue under the tutelage of Cuban coach quoted. Cotto even hinted that lately has not had communication with Diaz, but yielded no clothes on their current relationship. "I have no idea (of what makes Diaz). It's in Miami, "Cotto said when questioned. "These are things that we will study, we will discuss and decide whether to continue (with it) or not." Diaz debuted in the corner for his fight repossession Cotto against Antonio Margarito in December 2011, but has since dropped the Puerto Rican won by decision against Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the summer of 2012 and then lost his title bout and, in turn, lost undefeated at Madison Square Garden against Austin Trout. Regarding his next opponent, Cotto was equally sparing in their expressions and preferred to let time help you determine it, especially now that summer is rumored fights involving names like Mayweather, Trout, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley and Robert Guerrero among the most notable figures in the 147 and 154. "We are expected to follow in the days and the best approach, the best, as we agreed that we come to us, that is what we will choose," he said without mentioning Cotto preferences. Source: http://www.primerahora.com/miguelcottoconotroentrenador-786439.html

Cotto was never elite. his ability was conjectured to be elite, but he never cemented himself in that category. he got his body snatched at his seeming peak by Margarito (let's not start in with unsupportable suppositions, please), taken to the wire by Clottey and utterly destroyed by Pacquiao. more recently, Cotto was flattered in his fight with Floyd Mayweather (who fought like was still goofing off in the sparring ring with Omar Henry for long periods), yet still got beaten down ultimately. Too many unknowns here: 1. Margarito is suspect of loading his gloves. 2. Cotto was pounding on Clottey's head until the head butt. It influenced the rest of the fight. 3. Pacquiao, yes he took a beating but he had no trainer, and was a mental disaster. FMJr. did not "bead down" Cotto. Wake up.

Subjective argument. We thought of Cotto as elite and his fans were clamoring for Pac and Mayweather, but how did those fights turn out? For me the word elite is like saying best in the world. Cotto was never top of the list for me lb4lb so he wasn't elite. I don't see Cotto beating any of the real champs at 154 or 147 anymore. He might get a belt some other way but if he fights Canelo, Martinez or the best at those weights, he loses. The only champ at 147 that I do not see Cotto beating is Mayweather Cotto could beat Marquez, Bradley and Alexander. @ 154 it is a 50/50 chance Canelo, Trout, and Bundrage