Example:
Floyd can fight Canelo, Martinez, Trout etc... but he couldnt or should not have fought Marquez, Clottey or Ortiz.
at the same time Pac can fight Margarito, Clottey(even thought they are "bigger") and whoever he seems to have an advantage over and get huge credit for the wins.
( you say well because of size.) But Floyd cAN FIGHT pAC....:omfg:
But if we say Pac should fight Canelo, Martinez, Trout.....This is absurd and out of the question?
On the same note Cotto can fight all those guys too and its no problem( a fighter Pac fought and beat).
For me the answer is...Whether you hate Floyd or love him your giving him respect because inside you know he is great or greater than Manny.
Opinions?
Guerrero is a good match up for Pac as Pac has beaten just about everybody, tought fights back to back to back. Guerrero would be good for Pac.
He isnt that special for Floyd as Floyid needs to up his game a bit for not doing enough. Floyd cant sit on his laurels and then just come back for a Guerrero when Floyd has so much catching up to do.
Pac fights often so isnt expected to burn the candle at both ends, but he does anyway, fighting Margarito 18lbs heavier than Pac, Jmm, Bradley and then JMM again. That is a punishing scedule in a short space of time.And who was Pac not favoured against? ? He is favourite all the time, and probably only not against Sergio, but yes people expected Pac to fight Sergio soon after Pac destroyed margarito.
Guerrero is good for Pac
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Guerrero is not good for Floyd
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Floyd > Pac
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Example:
Floyd can fight Canelo, Martinez, Trout etc... but he couldnt or should not have fought Marquez, Clottey or Ortiz.
at the same time Pac can fight Margarito, Clottey(even thought they are "bigger") and whoever he seems to have an advantage over and get huge credit for the wins.
( you say well because of size.) But Floyd cAN FIGHT pAC....:omfg:
But if we say Pac should fight Canelo, Martinez, Trout.....This is absurd and out of the question?
On the same note Cotto can fight all those guys too and its no problem( a fighter Pac fought and beat).
For me the answer is...Whether you hate Floyd or love him your giving him respect because inside you know he is great or greater than Manny.
Opinions?
Floyd retired when he should fought young prime Margarito, young prime Cotto and prime Mosley in his own weight division. Not to mention Floyd fought just 4 tmes in the last 6 years compares to other 12 times or more. The only people held him in higher standard are his gullible fans.
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Nobody disputes he's a legit 2x champ at 154. Trout, Martinez are fights a #1 rated champ should be expected to take. He's not taking them. What gives? Why don't his fans want to see him against the best challengers in his division? Nobody is expecting him to move up to his 6th division even.
So that's not a higher standard. He's apparently being held to a lower standard when most of his fans want to excuse him from taking the fights he's supposed to be taking, per his status.
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UHHh and thats fine with me....but what?
I agree.
So that's not a higher standard. He's apparently being held to a lower standard when most of his fans want to excuse him from taking the fights he's supposed to be taking, per his status.
I'm a Floyd fan. I've been so since the 1996 Olympics. I'm not some newbie that just started watching the sport when he became Money Mayweather. I got to his fights. It costs me air travel, hotel and crazy dollars to get good seats that would be worth the trip to Vegas. I can honestly say that I support the fighters that I am a fan of and have a good time doing so.
So with that said, I want to see his skills put to the test and fight the toughest challenges possible so I can get my moneys worth. That's why I have higher standards for him than most.
Respect boss man!
I'm a Floyd fan. I've been so since the 1996 Olympics. I'm not some newbie that just started watching the sport when he became Money Mayweather. I got to his fights. It costs me air travel, hotel and crazy dollars to get good seats that would be worth the trip to Vegas. I can honestly say that I support the fighters that I am a fan of and have a good time doing so.
So with that said, I want to see his skills put to the test and fight the toughest challenges possible so I can get my moneys worth. That's why I have higher standards for him than most.
His #1 status at 154 should mean he's ready for the likes of Trout and Martinez at 154, not to mention extremely unproven Canelo
UHHh and thats fine with me....but what?
Another example, a few months back there was an interview with Roach saying Guerrero would be a good match with Pacquiao. A lot of Pacquiao fans here were agreeing with him BUT now that Floyd-Guerrero is on the cusp of being made it is a cherry pick.
Pac fans are unintentionally admitting that Floyd is the greater fighter by doing this. Floyd has to fight a 160 lb Sergio Martinez to not be considered cherry picking but Guerrero is okay for Pacquiao?
I agree.
Another example, a few months back there was an interview with Roach saying Guerrero would be a good match with Pacquiao. A lot of Pacquiao fans here were agreeing with him BUT now that Floyd-Guerrero is on the cusp of being made it is a cherry pick.
Pac fans are unintentionally admitting that Floyd is the greater fighter by doing this. Floyd has to fight a 160 lb Sergio Martinez to not be considered cherry picking but Guerrero is okay for Pacquiao?
Thus showing the talent disparity when Floyd would be favored over everyone whereas Pacquiao would only be favored over "most"(Which ain't bad).
Guerrero is a good match up for Pac as Pac has beaten just about everybody, tought fights back to back to back. Guerrero would be good for Pac.
He isnt that special for Floyd as Floyid needs to up his game a bit for not doing enough. Floyd cant sit on his laurels and then just come back for a Guerrero when Floyd has so much catching up to do.
Pac fights often so isnt expected to burn the candle at both ends, but he does anyway, fighting Margarito 18lbs heavier than Pac, Jmm, Bradley and then JMM again. That is a punishing scedule in a short space of time.And who was Pac not favoured against? ? He is favourite all the time, and probably only not against Sergio, but yes people expected Pac to fight Sergio soon after Pac destroyed margarito.
Example:
Floyd can fight Canelo, Martinez, Trout etc... but he couldnt or should not have fought Marquez, Clottey or Ortiz.
at the same time Pac can fight Margarito, Clottey(even thought they are "bigger") and whoever he seems to have an advantage over and get huge credit for the wins.
( you say well because of size.) But Floyd cAN FIGHT pAC....:omfg:
But if we say Pac should fight Canelo, Martinez, Trout.....This is absurd and out of the question?
On the same note Cotto can fight all those guys too and its no problem( a fighter Pac fought and beat).
For me the answer is...Whether you hate Floyd or love him your giving him respect because inside you know he is great or greater than Manny.
Opinions?
Another example, a few months back there was an interview with Roach saying Guerrero would be a good match with Pacquiao. A lot of Pacquiao fans here were agreeing with him BUT now that Floyd-Guerrero is on the cusp of being made it is a cherry pick.
Pac fans are unintentionally admitting that Floyd is the greater fighter by doing this. Floyd has to fight a 160 lb Sergio Martinez to not be considered cherry picking but Guerrero is okay for Pacquiao?
Some actually simplified the whole question by saying,"Floyd has a big mouth and he should back it up":trink26:....
Mouth Does Not Make You Great or assigns who you should or not fight. I dont care how much Malinaggi or Hamed used to talk....I dont want to see them fight particular fighters cuz of it....or a quiet, humble fighter any less.
His #1 status at 154 should mean he's ready for the likes of Trout and Martinez at 154, not to mention extremely unproven Canelo
Some actually simplified the whole question by saying,"Floyd has a big mouth and he should back it up":trink26:....
Mouth Does Not Make You Great or assigns who you should or not fight. I dont care how much Malinaggi or Hamed used to talk....I dont want to see them fight particular fighters cuz of it....or a quiet, humble fighter any less.
who said guerrero was the best in the division?i said guerrero has better wins than margarito did before fighting cotto and he does. what did margarito do or beat that made him the best ww?
margarito is a fighter that should thank floyd if floyd wouold have ever fought him he would had never become this mythical great fighter that some of you make him out to be
Aydin has never been a true top 10 at welter, Marg beat a lot of guys rated higher (and much better than Aydin). Berto was also unranked, coming off a PED suspension. Before that he lost to Ortiz, who's no better than Cintron and never beat anyone other than Berto.
lol! even dela hoya cherry pick Pac just to avoid Margacheato! lol! Guerrero beating bum ped berto and he is the best in WW? ATTENTION! the most stupid poster is around! lol
who said guerrero was the best in the division?i said guerrero has better wins than margarito did before fighting cotto and he does. what did margarito do or beat that made him the best ww?
margarito is a fighter that should thank floyd if floyd wouold have ever fought him he would had never become this mythical great fighter that some of you make him out to be
when you do it now at 154, of course no! how about when floyd is just 130lb and Roy on 154 and they fight at 154?
We are talking prime jones and prime Floyd not old fat jones and prime floyd! lol! Anyway, thats how floyd and floydiots like... old fat or small newbie fighter to qualify to be his opponents! lol
Exactly, sad I must say.
now you're changing the argument to a more reasonable one. thanks.
hate floyd all you want. just don't make yourself look like a ****ing retarded ****sucker by discussing a fight with roy jones that you yourself know couldn't happen because roy would have starve himself and not drink water to make the weight.
get a better group of posters to e-circle jerk with.
You are a f-l-o-m-o, my friend. And I don't hate Floyd for godsakes, dude I was just being called f-l-o-m-o a few pages back, but I do know when Floyd fans are being ridiculous.
And you sir are crazy...but lets be real...Floyd would have went nowhere near Jones to begin with...he woulda been ducking
at 160, yes. at 154, no.
it may be a popular fantasy fight but as a boxingfollower its clear it wouldn't be feasible at 154.
when you do it now at 154, of course no! how about when floyd is just 130lb and Roy on 154 and they fight at 154?
We are talking prime jones and prime Floyd not old fat jones and prime floyd! lol! Anyway, thats how floyd and floydiots like... old fat or small newbie fighter to qualify to be his opponents! lol
Lol, ok man.
Not like Floyd would have fought Roy anyways.
now you're changing the argument to a more reasonable one. thanks.
hate floyd all you want. just don't make yourself look like a ****ing retarded ****sucker by discussing a fight with roy jones that you yourself know couldn't happen because roy would have starve himself and not drink water to make the weight.
get a better group of posters to e-circle jerk with.
at 160, yes. at 154, no.
it may be a popular fantasy fight but as a boxingfollower its clear it wouldn't be feasible at 154.
Lol, ok man.
Not like Floyd would have fought Roy anyways.