BWAA or RING they all have external influences

Look at his last three fights: Katsidis - Guerrero was hurt to the body and looked ready to go and the ref saved him Aydin - the win now looks very average indeed with the limited Karass beating him Berto - lost to Ortiz in first step up, arguably was losing to Zaveck and lost to Guerrero Good fighter with a lot of guts for stepping up but he's not a top 10 and I don't think he's a top 15 either, maybe top 20-25 Guererro was hurt to the body but the ref "saved him" because of the clear and consistent low blows from Katsidis. In which he was warned several times. Karass is underrated and it doesn't change the fact that Adyin was Top 10 when Guererro beat him. Berto is Berto, but Guererro was an underdog and again deserves credit for that. Hindsight is 20/20 though, of course.

The BWAA award dinner is usually partnered with the promoter of the Fighter of The Year. Last year Dan Goossen sponsored the dinner because Andre Ward go the award. This year Top Rank will probably do it because of Donaire. When Mayweather got the award a few years back, Golden Boy rented a very expensive hall for the awards dinner. SO that means the BWAA partnered their event with Top Rank 4 out of the last 7 years(including this year). Not a bad ratio. Mayweather had beaten DLH in the biggest PPV fight in history which did about 2.4 million PPV sales, he also defeated Hatton who was undefeated, so his FOTY was expected in 2007. As for their actual awards, i haven't seen material that went after TR as the stuff that called out GBP. Even though i admit Ring is owned by GBP. If they wanted to be blatantly biased they could have given their award to a guy in their stable as Danny Garcia or Robert Guerrero.

Anyone else think both are too American Centric? When was the last time either had a fight from Asia or Europe as their fight of the year? (From memory bother had Somsak Sithchatchawal KO 10 Mahyar Monshipour as their 2006 Fight of the Year). Ditto round of the year (Ring gave it to the final round of the previously mentioned Sithchatchawal v Monshipour bout). I understand that both have to appeal to both the US fans and US promoters but come of. Fights like Hernandez v Porpramook I and Yaegashi v Porpramook both deserved serious mentions. Ring Magazine brought back the prospect of the year award in 2011 and both have those have gone to US fighters. Whilst both winners were solid there were great prospects from around the world who deserved a shout. Not sure who they had as the upset though Jaro v Wonjongkam and Rodriguez v Joyi are surely the two stand out choices, though I'd be surprised if they picked either of those. I want the boxing press to report about all boxing (one of the better things about Boxingscene) not just the US boxing scene.

That shows your lack of comprehension. You better quit before you make a further fool out of yourself. The BWAA award dinner is usually partnered with the promoter of the Fighter of The Year. Last year Dan Goossen sponsored the dinner because Andre Ward go the award. This year Top Rank will probably do it because of Donaire. When Mayweather got the award a few years back, Golden Boy rented a very expensive hall for the awards dinner.

If Memo is so great why did Arce get KTFO by Donaire in tatlo asaultos? Hindi Ko Natindihan? Donaire ran from Concepcion for 12 rounds at 115 and barely beat him, than he gets four consecutive KO's with Conte. People can throw suspicion wherever they please. Unfortunately, in modern sports nobody can definitively state what someone is taking. I actually think guys like Conte and Memo have enough insight to prepare athletes without illegal doping. Both of these guys have been under the radar in the past, so if they would get caught again than they are finished. First off, if you've been following Donaire then you would know that he's been knocking guys out way before Conte was introduced. Majority of the opponents he faced has tasted the canvas. Second why add Donaire and Ward working with Conte. That has nothing to do with wining FOTY, if your going to make a case for it then why be one sided about it and not include the fact that Marquez was working with Memo. Donaire prime > Arce prime with peds. Donaire has many advantages over him, and why you typing filipino words? You trying to impress me? Lol jk. I'm at work so I may not be able to reply right away.

> LOL, you think a poster like me cares about Red or Green K? I will state my opinion regardless of that consideration. If i am a clown and dumb as you say that i am why you care if i throw insults? I thought pinoys had tough pusos? You claim you are tough as you are pinoy and live in an area surrounded by latinos in Southern FL. I will give you credit for at least keeping your Pac images, even after the KO, it shows you still have loyalty for your fellow countrymen.

hey you know what..bwaa is anti gb because bob arum buys them lunch , that pretty much his argument is...lol That shows your lack of comprehension. You better quit before you make a further fool out of yourself.

I can tell by his level of debating his intelligence level is of that of a box of rocks. In no way has he ever even been to a real fight or seen anyone who has even been on TV. Youre right though. wannabeee is the proper term. I would have went with dumbass actually :WORD: Actually you and your pinoy brother have embarrassed yourself badly in these boards. He probably cried out SAKLOLO since he didn't have the bayags to take care of his own arguments. By trying to double team me the two of you came out like fools. I have seen plenty of fights live. I actually was there and saw how the little Omar Narvaez lasted full distance with your countryman. This after all the pinoys were predicting that Narvaez would go "night night."

I can tell by his level of debating his intelligence level is of that of a box of rocks. In no way has he ever even been to a real fight or seen anyone who has even been on TV. Youre right though. wannabeee is the proper term. I would have went with dumbass actually :WORD: hey you know what..bwaa is anti gb because bob arum buys them lunch , that pretty much his argument is...lol

I notice people are calling out the BWAA as somehow they are less bias than the GBP owned ring. Do you know that the BWAA often has deals with Top Rank when purchasing tickets to their awards dinner? Notice how certain BWAA members tend to be very anti-GBP? Please.......... I know the history of the Organization, btw, unless you become a member of the BWAA and pay their $$$fees$$$ they won't give you a writing award anymore. As for Marquez getting the award its only fair. If he gets the decision against Pac in 2011 he would have won it hands down last year. So Donaire gets the BWAA and Marquez gets ring, i think it is more than fair. You can make the case for both winning. Perhaps some sanctimonious members of the BWAA love that he is yearly vada testing. Because yearly vada testing even with Victor Conte on your side is 100% guarantee that Conte can't slip "flinstone vitamins" to Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire. DLH Owns The RIng!! He has to protect his interest! Donaire snub him! just payback time! Simple like that~

You kept demanding proof. Here you have a writing organization obviously doing business or is in bed with a promotional company. It just happens that same organization gives top writing awards to material critical of GBP(TR's major competitor.) If a judge or even a supreme court justice has ever done business with a Plaintiff or defendant just for the sake of not looking "bias" they MUST recuse themselves. Usually an independent organization wouldn't do any business with any entity that they would lavish deals, awards, or grauitities. The Securities Exchange Commission has many tough laws when it comes down to mergers, acquisitions, or conglomerates that have undue influnce or put the public in harm. The BWAA is just a writing organization. They are no regulations to prevent them from doing business with whom they please. But now you are the one who claimed "THEY are FREE from Influence." Yet i just showed an example of how they did business with Top Rank and than gives them top awards routinely. You wanted evidence, and the evidence went up your PUTWITT. so what youre saying is the writing organization aka BWAAA only deal with top rank and not gloden boy..that sopunds like it to me and all im asking you is proof for such claim.. ive been asking you " where/what is your proof BWAA organization is anti GB since my first post but you have not provided a single one...

i would apolopgize if you can provide me simple things im asking . credible proof is all im asking and not a single one was provided... and i dont give a sh1t if youre haglersh1tchin or whatever you call yourself ...you bullsh1t me , im gonna be asking for credible proof..thats just the way it is... You kept demanding proof. Here you have a writing organization obviously doing business or is in bed with a promotional company. It just happens that same organization gives top writing awards to material critical of GBP(TR's major competitor.) If a judge or even a supreme court justice has ever done business with a Plaintiff or defendant just for the sake of not looking "bias" they MUST recuse themselves. Usually an independent organization wouldn't do any business with any entity that they would lavish deals, awards, or grauitities. The Securities Exchange Commission has many tough laws when it comes down to mergers, acquisitions, or conglomerates that have undue influnce or put the public in harm. The BWAA is just a writing organization. They are no regulations to prevent them from doing business with whom they please. But now you are the one who claimed "THEY are FREE from Influence." Yet i just showed an example of how they did business with Top Rank and than gives them top awards routinely. You wanted evidence, and the evidence went up your PUTWITT.

oh i see. Now that you were not called any names or were you belittled in any way. Your ignorance spilled over all by its self. Well with a little help from a dumbass....That would be you...Mr IQ! You still made no point you febble minded jackass! You were asked a simple question....nicely and all you could do is lash back with insults....youre a useless poster that post shlt facts and cant even back them up! :WORD: he's just one of those wannabee credible boxing insiders around thses boards...self righteous SOB trying to dupe people into thinking they are above suspicion becuase they say they hang with the VIPS of boxing , wannabee important people but cant back it up..

Same at The Ring though, no? I think that's the point he's trying to make. I'm not sure about The Ring but while the BWAA menbers may have their own bias, there is a collective vote for the awards that's very transparent.

I perhaps wouldn't have him in my Top 10, if I did, at the very bottom is where he'd be. But realistically I'd say he's Top 15 range. But I wouldn't be mad if someone were to have him in the Top 10, which was more my point. Look at his last three fights: Katsidis - Guerrero was hurt to the body and looked ready to go and the ref saved him Aydin - the win now looks very average indeed with the limited Karass beating him Berto - lost to Ortiz in first step up, arguably was losing to Zaveck and lost to Guerrero Good fighter with a lot of guts for stepping up but he's not a top 10 and I don't think he's a top 15 either, maybe top 20-25

WHere is my apology???? BTW, Puga or Puta Ko I don't need Google, this is Haglersteelchin, ask the history section if i rely on google. Tell me where does an independent writing organization give complimentary tickets to ONE promotional event. This corroborates my whole argument. Gee??? If I buy a ticket to your dinner i get complimentary tickets to a Top Rank event? No collusion, no conflict of interest??? i would apolopgize if you can provide me simple things im asking . credible proof is all im asking and not a single one was provided... and i dont give a sh1t if youre haglersh1tchin or whatever you call yourself ...you bullsh1t me , im gonna be asking for credible proof..thats just the way it is...

I have shown known better that a moron as yourself that can't add 1 plus 1 didn't have the essential brain cell activity to understand what a conflict of interest meant. that proved a conflict of interest ?...coz i can make similar sh1t up and put golden boy in it and claim the opposite..

I dont see the bias here! Of course not. That would require average or better IQ that you don't have. You are forgiven.

this proves what exactly?... I have shown known better that a moron as yourself that can't add 1 plus 1 didn't have the essential brain cell activity to understand what a conflict of interest meant.

WHere is my apology???? BTW, Puga or Puta Ko I don't need Google, this is Haglersteelchin, ask the history section if i rely on google. Tell me where does an independent writing organization give complimentary tickets to ONE promotional event. This corroborates my whole argument. Gee??? If I buy a ticket to your dinner i get complimentary tickets to a Top Rank event? No collusion, no conflict of interest???