If Zab beats Garcia and becomes lineal champ at 140 will that get him to the HOF?

Guess what. Some guys are unbiased in their scoring. And no way did Peterson win the Khan fight. Even with the point deductions I had Khan ahead by a few points. As for Cotto-Mayweather: not everybody is on the american hype train where you believe everything HBO sells you. I just scored the fight the way it was, and like other unbiased boxing guys, I had Cotto winning it. That must really hurt you, right? Since Mayweather is your hero And some people don't know how to score fights. Case above. You not only had Cotto winning, which is hilarious, but you considered it a robbery and were confused at the fact the vast majority had him winning. And Mayweather is not my hero. My boxing heroes are Alexis Arguello and Carlos Monzon.

I think so,he would have been the Champ of two div..That's respectable...But if he loses tbh that further proves the thoughts about Judah not being able to beat other top world class fighters... yeah this fight really make or break in terms of Judah in the HOF imo, hope he does it

I think so,he would have been the Champ of two div..That's respectable...But if he loses tbh that further proves the thoughts about Judah not being able to beat other top world class fighters...

I don't hate Khan at all. I was rooting for him against Peterson and considered him to be the best fighter at 140. Khan-Peterson could have gone either way (With the point deductions) and I scored it marginally for Peterson. So yes, the loss was legit. So no, he wasn't the man at 140 at all. Not sure what the Bradley-Pacquaio part has to do with anything. Unless you genuinely believe that that fight is comparable to Peterson-Khan :lol1: It wouldn't surprise me considered you think Cotto-Mayweather was a robbery :lol1: Guess what. Some guys are unbiased in their scoring. And no way did Peterson win the Khan fight. Even with the point deductions I had Khan ahead by a few points. As for Cotto-Mayweather: not everybody is on the american hype train where you believe everything HBO sells you. I just scored the fight the way it was, and like other unbiased boxing guys, I had Cotto winning it. That must really hurt you, right? Since Mayweather is your hero

Thank you:notworthy You're welcome.

cliff....coming soon to a hall of fame near you...............SVEN OTTKE! http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/0/05/SvenOttke.jpg LOL...not likely. Most of the voters I know scratch their head at his being on there. More people saw how many fights he should have lost than most realized.

It's not lineal. It's Ring. Not the same in this case. cliff....coming soon to a hall of fame near you...............SVEN OTTKE! http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/0/05/SvenOttke.jpg

Garcia isn't the lineal champ. He's the Ring champ. Almost no one regarded Khan-Garcia as a 1-2 fight when it happened. It's not lineal. It's Ring. Not the same in this case. Thank you:notworthy

Bah we sure it'd be lineal? If so, for sure. It's not lineal. It's Ring. Not the same in this case.

I like guys who punch also and Judah was punching Matthysse more from what I saw, so we obviously saw two very different fight~ but I am willing to acknowledge it was close and debatable. It certainly wasn't clear cut for Matthysse like you are saying. This debate doesn't even matter though because what I said would need to happen isn't going to come to pass, so do you want to continue on a pointless debate because we are never going to agree which isn't really a news flash. ok well i can't cure blindness so i guess this is the end of this debate.

Bah we sure it'd be lineal? If so, for sure.

i like a guy that is hitting the other guy since that's the point of boxing. moving around and throwing jabs that land a foot short isn't the point of boxing is it? i guess you can do that if your opponent does absolutely nothing but matthysse was hitting judah a lot more than judah was hitting him, hence he deserved to win. he doesn't have to murder judah, he just has to be better than him on that night and he clearly was. I like guys who punch also and Judah was punching Matthysse more from what I saw, so we obviously saw two very different fight~ but I am willing to acknowledge it was close and debatable. It certainly wasn't clear cut for Matthysse like you are saying. This debate doesn't even matter though because what I said would need to happen isn't going to come to pass, so do you want to continue on a pointless debate because we are never going to agree which isn't really a news flash.

I am pretty sure the boxing writers are suppose to go by the official results but some results are more important and decisive than others and should he count as such. I don't but I am not a boxing writer nor am I a hall of fame voter, besides I said I thought Judah won a close fight and it is not like Matthysse did a lot of hitting he did a lot more posing and standing around waiting. If you like a guy doing not very much then that is your choice, but that was a close fight so you like what Matthysse did fine, it is not like he murdered Judah which is how you seem to be portraying it. i like a guy that is hitting the other guy since that's the point of boxing. moving around and throwing jabs that land a foot short isn't the point of boxing is it? i guess you can do that if your opponent does absolutely nothing but matthysse was hitting judah a lot more than judah was hitting him, hence he deserved to win. he doesn't have to murder judah, he just has to be better than him on that night and he clearly was.

I actually think the opposite would happen. If Matthysse proves to be a killer, then people who go back and watch the fight will see the obvious difference and know he was just green going in. If he ends up just being a good fighter who never proves to be that much better than he was against Judah, then the win will look better, because even that Matthysse will be a tough fighter. That usually is not how it goes, look at B-Hop versus Jones I B-Hop clearly was not the guy he would become but Jones gets a ton of credit for that fight. Matthysse turning out to be excellent can't hurt Judah, it certainly is a flawed argument though to put a lot of emphasis on that win and under scrutiny it would look less impressive the more you look at it because it was close, not very decisive and Matthysse was obviously green. I just think that win could help his case under that scenario, that said there isn't much reason to argue about it because Judah probably won't beat Garcia and I would bet my life on Judah not going on the run needed for Matthysse's quality to come into play.

Would this win punch his ticket in to the Hall of Fame? Garcia isn't the lineal champ. He's the Ring champ. Almost no one regarded Khan-Garcia as a 1-2 fight when it happened.

you are supposed to go by official results? so why isn't sven ottke in the hall of fame? don't you always say you don't let other people influence you, but now you are letting the official results be your only guide? seems strange. judah did more jabbing at matthysse's gloves while mattyhsse did more hitting judah. i guess it depends on what you like better? in that respect it was close. I am pretty sure the boxing writers are suppose to go by the official results but some results are more important and decisive than others and should he count as such. I don't but I am not a boxing writer nor am I a hall of fame voter, besides I said I thought Judah won a close fight and it is not like Matthysse did a lot of hitting he did a lot more posing and standing around waiting. If you like a guy doing not very much then that is your choice, but that was a close fight so you like what Matthysse did fine, it is not like he murdered Judah which is how you seem to be portraying it.

Well that is why I said Matthysse would have to prove to be a killer, the fight was obviously close and can only be called as such. However if Matthysse ends up as a known killer and Judah won a close fight against him considering the reputation he has I think that will look real good. If Matthysse is just a good fighter, it doesn't mean much you are correct. I would just say though the way people talk about Judah and the way people talk about Matthysse even though Matthysse was green at the point you would figure there was no way Judah would have survived a full 12. I actually think the opposite would happen. If Matthysse proves to be a killer, then people who go back and watch the fight will see the obvious difference and know he was just green going in. If he ends up just being a good fighter who never proves to be that much better than he was against Judah, then the win will look better, because even that Matthysse will be a tough fighter.

I disagree, that was a close fight and Matthysse didn't do anything for the first half of the fight and Judah did more. So cut the shit and show respect for a differing view on a close fight. It was close though as Matthyssse did come on Last I checked you are suppose to go by what happened officially in a guys career, people who can't do that thankfully their opinions don't count either. you are supposed to go by official results? so why isn't sven ottke in the hall of fame? don't you always say you don't let other people influence you, but now you are letting the official results be your only guide? seems strange. judah did more jabbing at matthysse's gloves while mattyhsse did more hitting judah. i guess it depends on what you like better? in that respect it was close.

I don't think that win will be very much remembered for Judah, not only because of the controversy over who won but also because it was Matthysse's first fight anywhere near that level. Combine those two factors, and it just looks like a "lesson learned" type thing for Matthysse, rather than a good win for Judah. Its not like Judah was doing good things to win the fight, Matthysse just fought an incredibly conservative fight for the first half because he had never gone 12. And he still arguably won, with most people believing he did. Again, lesson learned. Well that is why I said Matthysse would have to prove to be a killer, the fight was obviously close and can only be called as such. However if Matthysse ends up as a known killer and Judah won a close fight against him considering the reputation he has I think that will look real good. If Matthysse is just a good fighter, it doesn't mean much you are correct. I would just say though the way people talk about Judah and the way people talk about Matthysse even though Matthysse was green at the point you would figure there was no way Judah would have survived a full 12.

It won't happen Larry nobody at 140 beats garcia not Matthyse not judah not rios and not Peterson.