Who has taken on the riskier fights in their career; Manny or Floyd?

I'm going to admit i voted for Floyd because i favor him as a boxer over Pacquiao and how the latter is handled. Only because this is like the gajillionth thread where people feel the need to castrate him over his skill level. While i do like Pac, i think that many of his fights are perceived as being risks since people deem him borderline retarded, inept and downright play his skill as a fighter. People haze him to the casual fans and almost made it fact to all fans that he's from a poor, never mind 3rd world country....the Philippines is damn near 4th world county. Fighting guys coming off of numerous bad performances, draining, catchweights, facing guys only if they kill themselves at weight it almost neutralizes what i see as risks for him in the same manner that Floyd's fights seem like less of a risk because of his skill

Well Manny beat Mosley before Floyd, Bob Arum said that Mosley was back in his prime and was a legit threat for Manny Pacquiao. Manny also beat Antonio Margarito who was ranked the Number 2 fighter in the world and was more dangerous than Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez at the time who was also calling out Manny Pacquiao. Floyd beat Mosley before manny did

pacquiao is the king of risk taking

Both are performing way above their optimal weight. You see how Cotto couldn't deal at his 3rd weight. The only intrigue in Floyd Canelo is Saul having 15-20lbs on Floyd agreed, as far as Cotto, I am still trying to figure him out. Everybody wants to label him as shot when it is convienent to which ever argument they are having, but I forget which trainer it was that said him training at high elevation for the trout fight actually hurt him more than helped, supposedely it thickens the blood, and caused him to gas and under-perform ( but who knows). The guy has been through some wars (so he will always get respect from me) and if Margarito was actually loaded for their fight, then i'm impressed he still fights at the level he does. I don't know about you but I'm still waiting for Ginger to fight a real 154pdr to really gauge him, but with that said I still think he can give Floyd troubles because of the size advantage and you can't deny he is a good fighter

floyd fought a giant name big show floyd > pac...

I can agree with you, somewhat on that, the same way I personally don't think Floyd is going to defend his share of the 154 belt he took off Cotto. That is why I said what I said about them both being about the same risk wise. they both stack the deck in their favor. When all roads to the big cash come thru them, they can do that. Both are performing way above their optimal weight. You see how Cotto couldn't deal at his 3rd weight. The only intrigue in Floyd Canelo is Saul having 15-20lbs on Floyd

OK anyway once Pac won a welter belt, he never requested CWs from other welters. When JMM requested to fight for his title at a CW Pac actually respected the contracted weight, unlike Floyd. AFAIK the only champ that requested a CW against a divisional challenger is Cotto, in the Marg rematch. Pac's 8th "SWW" belt is not worth much, don't get me wrong. Was a good spectacle and far from a gimme for Pac, but the belt is bogus. But so was "runner up" DLH's 6th belt. I can agree with you, somewhat on that, the same way I personally don't think Floyd is going to defend his share of the 154 belt he took off Cotto. That is why I said what I said about them both being about the same risk wise. they both stack the deck in their favor. When all roads to the big cash come thru them, they can do that.

Pac just fought 2 fighters in the top 10 P4P in one year. When has Fmj done that?

no belts should change hands with catchweights involved period; If it is a "WELTERWEIGHT" belt one the line, weight should be 147 period. the Margarito fight, SUPERWELTERWEIGHT belt on the line , weight should be 154 period. as far as JMM requesting 144, if he did; do you think he did that because PAC had already fought the 2 previous fights in the 147 range?. and if received the 147 belt for the Cotto fight, then he is a 147pd fighter, you can't have it both ways. It would be the same thing for Mayweather, if he decided to take on 1 of the 154 big boys...no catchweight!! you accept the belt you fight at that weight!! especially him, since he has said on more than 1 occasion "no catchweights" OK anyway once Pac won a welter belt, he never requested CWs from other welters. When JMM requested to fight for his title at a CW Pac actually respected the contracted weight, unlike Floyd. AFAIK the only champ that requested a CW against a divisional challenger is Cotto, in the Marg rematch. Pac's 8th "SWW" belt is not worth much, don't get me wrong. Was a good spectacle and far from a gimme for Pac, but the belt is bogus. But so was "runner up" DLH's 6th belt.

Very shaky on facts. 1. no belt changed hands with the Marg fight, it was vacant just like Mares Morel and Canelo Hatton 2. Pac wasn't campaigning in the same class as Cotto, so easy to check?! 3. JMM 3 at 144 is on JMM, he requested it. Just like Pac he contested for titles twice at CWs he requested. no belts should change hands with catchweights involved period; If it is a "WELTERWEIGHT" belt one the line, weight should be 147 period. the Margarito fight, SUPERWELTERWEIGHT belt on the line , weight should be 154 period. as far as JMM requesting 144, if he did; do you think he did that because PAC had already fought the 2 previous fights in the 147 range?. and if received the 147 belt for the Cotto fight, then he is a 147pd fighter, you can't have it both ways. It would be the same thing for Mayweather, if he decided to take on 1 of the 154 big boys...no catchweight!! you accept the belt you fight at that weight!! especially him, since he has said on more than 1 occasion "no catchweights"

Yes Floyd F'd JMM, with the 2 pds, and yes PAC's 4 CW fights bother me more because BELTS changed hand on 2 of those fights! Its 1 thing to due catch weights, but belts should not be involved; thats why there are weight classes, and its not like the opponents have a choice when they are all Top Rank fighters, and JMM is not gonna turn down the pay day to let floyd screw him over the 2 pds. and if you really wanna get into it how are you gonna ask for a catchweight when the 2 fighters are campaigning in the same weight class. (the cotto fight) and in the 3rd JMM fight a contracted weight of 144pds, and its for a welterweight title. Very shaky on facts. 1. no belt changed hands with the Marg fight, it was vacant just like Mares Morel and Canelo Hatton 2. Pac wasn't campaigning in the same class as Cotto, so easy to check?! 3. JMM 3 at 144 is on JMM, he requested it. Just like Pac he contested for titles twice at CWs he requested.

Pac catchweight fights when he honored the weight agreement bothered you but Floyd blatantly came in 2 lbs overweight over the weight agreement in a catchweight fight didn't even cross on your mind. LMAO Yes Floyd F'd JMM, with the 2 pds, and yes PAC's 4 CW fights bother me more because BELTS changed hand on 2 of those fights! Its 1 thing to due catch weights, but belts should not be involved; thats why there are weight classes, and its not like the opponents have a choice when they are all Top Rank fighters, and JMM is not gonna turn down the pay day to let floyd screw him over the 2 pds. and if you really wanna get into it how are you gonna ask for a catchweight when the 2 fighters are campaigning in the same weight class. (the cotto fight) and in the 3rd JMM fight a contracted weight of 144pds, and its for a welterweight title.

Like what you tried to do there; but you can't really count the same guy multiple times for 1 and not the other. but they are about equal, I would almost be tempted to lean Pac's way, but the catchweight thing bothers me. Pac catchweight fights when he honored the weight agreement bothered you but Floyd blatantly came in 2 lbs overweight over the weight agreement in a catchweight fight didn't even cross on your mind. LMAO

Pacquiao by far. Just look at his last fight. He easily out pointed Bradley and could of reclaimed his victory that got stolen from him, but he instead chose Marquez who gave him hell before that Bradley fight. Even Marquez (who was saying he beat PAC 3 times) aknowledged that he was surprised that he was chosen over Bradley

I actually never said anything about the risks Floyd took. I just said what I thought about some of pacman's fights. Every fight that was a considered a risk had some Type of advantage to offset the risk. Why cant u beat corto at 147? Whay cant u beat margarito at 154? Whay cant oscar rehydrate? It's hard for me to assess the risk of Floyd's fights because we have known he is a special talent for a long time now. The only fight in the past 10 years where Floyd has had a chance at not being the huge favorite was against pacman. And PAC was only a threat for maybe 2 years. By 2011 Floyd was the favorite and #1 p4p again. What do you mean? Oscar picked the weight and the opponent.

Floyd has taken on the riskier fights Kev-, boxingfeind, Bravado, Burner ©, dan_cov, el***, iLovesoccermoms, jaestix1, k1llu, MrClutch85, mrcupide2, PeterinMI, Pudgemeister, rambov, The904star, TKO6, tlove104 :AOR: so funny that people actually think Floyd took more risk. Lmfao I actually never said anything about the risks Floyd took. I just said what I thought about some of pacman's fights. Every fight that was a considered a risk had some Type of advantage to offset the risk. Why cant u beat corto at 147? Whay cant u beat margarito at 154? Whay cant oscar rehydrate? It's hard for me to assess the risk of Floyd's fights because we have known he is a special talent for a long time now. The only fight in the past 10 years where Floyd has had a chance at not being the huge favorite was against pacman. And PAC was only a threat for maybe 2 years. By 2011 Floyd was the favorite and #1 p4p again.

whats considered a risk for the hypejob from the philipines is considered a cherrypick or easy work for floyd. that should tell you everything you need to know.....floyd has to fight a middleweight for him to take a risk but sleepy-head can drag a 40 yr lw to ww, get raped by the 40 yr lw and it's still considered a risk. lmao this ^^^^^^^^^^ ahahaha

Manny Pacquiao -Barrera -JMM (who a lot of people didn't want to fight) -Morales -Morales II (after losing in a war, he fought him again) -JMM II (after many people thought Marquez won, Pacuqiao took a risk and fought him again) -ODLH (considered a horrible cherry pick at the time since DLH had gotten titles at MW and Pacquiao only had 1 fight at LW) Miguel Cotto (even with the CW it was considered a big risk) Margarito(even after a lose Margarito had a huge size advantage) Bradley (Young prime undefeated boxer with good technical abilities) Marquez IV (the 3rd fight was a cherry pick but the 4th wasn't even with a size advantage facing a guy that had arguably beat him 2-3 times was a risk) Pacquiao =10 Floyd Mayweather -Hernandez (Floyd's age and first title fight) -Corrales -Castillo II (After arguably losing to Castillo he rematched him) -ODLH (moving up in weight, not that big of a risk) Floyd = 4 that's pretty much it. Only Trout, Martinez or Canelo fights would be risks. Guerrero wouldn't. Maybe that speaks of Mayweather's skills and greatness or his great cherry picking skills + hype. Like trying to make a shot Cotto seem 2nd prime'd and undefeated, calling Ortiz the quitter a "Young hungry Lion"etc Like what you tried to do there; but you can't really count the same guy multiple times for 1 and not the other. but they are about equal, I would almost be tempted to lean Pac's way, but the catchweight thing bothers me.

I would very much have liked to vote for Floyd but he hasn't earned that I voted for Manny and I don't think it's very close. Only partly because Floyd is a better fighter. http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/Alakasam_2008/Mannysstreak_zps2932699b.png Marquez may have got a draw, arguably a win, arguably a loss (doesn't matter) and Morales may have beaten him like he stole something, but that was a very lofty goal. He tried to clean **** up and beat 3 ATGs in two years. Anyone who thinks that is careful guiding right there needs a slap on the back of the head. Mayweather was once like that too, but the picture won't be as emphatic simply because that type of competition was not available for him. Both fighters timed their fights in the late stages of their career, very conveniently for their bank accounts and their image. But I guess that's what you could expect from two fighters who don't really belong at welterweight naturally. Hell, it's boxing. That's pretty much the natural thing. Very rarely do fighters take fights based solely on their legacy.

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